Medellin vs Cali - "The Chick Scene"

[Zon]

I think it is very cool that you have lived in Colombia for 3 years, DL.  But,  that does not make you an Eagle Scout.   I never said I wanted to be a tour guide!  My remarks and observations are just that.  I notice a debaters mood in your posts, there does not always need to be a "challenge"/ a right way / a wrong way.

I noticed that you felt a need to "call me" when I said that after two months I got a different reading from people.  No, dude, I did not speak without an accent, that would be impossible ( OBVIOSULY ).  But, after two months, I was able to connect differently, and that was when I got a different story and response. 

So, just relax ... I do not double read my posts and try to research topics.  I read this page on days, where I am working too much, or just plain bored.

[fathertime]

FT,
 
Just man up for a change and answer the question. You insisting on politeness and decorum in here is laughable at best, your royal hiney....
Show a little back bone and just answer the question, will ya please?

 It would not take backbone or to ‘manup’to answer your question robertTHEangel because it is an easy one sentence response, I’m just not interested in answering it at this time. My education has nothing to do with this thread.  So if you have some grand theory about why old FT feels college is often a waste nowadays, why don’t you just cough it up instead of pussing out and tentatively waiting to find out for sure if I went/graduated college/highschool or not?  Go ahead take a chance and float your theory instead!   If whether FT went to college or not is so important to you why don’t you commence a new thread on that subject. Go ahead you have my coveted permission! 


Fathertime!

[fathertime]

 
but  when you make statements about your supposed expereinces in Colombia that you can t back up....and youre blowing smoike...............I ll call you on it...as often as I can catch it.

The best remedy.. TELL THE TRUTH! dont embellis, dont exaggerate, dont be grandiose..TELL THE TRUTH .
 

Bingo! If old pencil neck were more truthful he would have less trouble with people that know better. 


a few people seem to see that it is the utter hypocrisy of his posts is mindboggling, not necessarily the silly profession he has chosen....i mean how the heck can i guy grumble about woman not being straight with him when he is so dishonest with them by making a dating profile with a false age?  if he were to post only his false side of things, he might have been believed and he could easily mislead posters that don't know better, he is probably hoping to mislead them into one of his 'mansions' to fleece them of cash.
 it is sad that zoony is still so unfulfilled but he has brought it on himself!


Fathertime!

[maritime04]

DL
 
When I want to insult someone ill just come right out and say it, it’s the Latin in me. There's no in between the lines, or hidden crack. You try to come off as a Latin guy, who understands the culture talks the talk and dance's the salsa, so when I called you "chichipato" I used it in LIGHT TERMS, I think that the gringo that will always been inside you who took it as if I was taking a cheap shot at your low budget lifestyle. My girlfriend calls me chichi all the time, as well as her sister and friends, "DURO" common man YOU SHOULD KNOW in Colombia it’s used as a joke!
 
Had a good conversation with my girlfriend about the guys I know who try to "be cheap" with their dates, that’s why I brought her up. I DO NOT NEED TO HIDE BEHIND HER.
 
Personally I think it’s great you manage to travel and live on basic budget, that you date and try to understand the culture and its women, although I never understand how you say you LOVE Colombia but hate Colombian men? I think you went on the attack because you felt I insulted your lifestyle, and standard of living.... let me clarifyhow much I DO NOT CARE.
 
I am on these forums when I am working as entertainment, and a little bit of information on the visa process, when I home in Colombia I do not need to entertain myself on boards or threads, I have a future wife I can converse with, and enjoy spending my day with. I personally do not want to fight with you Dennis, and I like to think that you aggressive attitude here is only to help kill the boredom till your next date………………….
 
Since you want to attack me, let me respond. I am 30 years old, she is 20, and we have a wonderful relationship, so much that if you said to me, what you are implying in person we would have some “trouble”………….. That’s 10 years, low end on your stick. Funny thing is I have never heard or seen you give this much trouble to other members on this board whom have much larger age gaps, I would also bet you did not give you lecture to TOM when you were in Medellin either…………..but you want to attack me on the “internet” very brave.
 
You asked if I live large, or down low……………When I first moved to Medellin(2004-2005) I dated a lot, prepagos, dating agency’s, girls I meet in Castillo, campo Valdez, from sabneta to bello. Everything I was single, made a lot of money and wanted to have fun, you can call me whatever you want, because I DO NOT CARE! I learned a lot during those years, about Colombia, women and myself. I started to dwindle down 2008-2009 low key, and when I found myself a serious relationship I became totally “down low”………
 
I treat all women with respect, pregapogs, old ladies, women I see walking down the street, not simply the ones I want to screw. Some men tend to only do the latter………..
 
If you have any more questions feel free to ask, I do have a few for you
 
1. Are you ever honest with these women you date? Do you at least let them know upfront you are not looking for a serious relationship or a wife because you simply like to date?
 
2. Where does all that ego come from, the fact that you date 224 women? You act like you “chico suave” or “don juan”…………………………just wondering?
 
3. Why all the aggressive hidden insults and jabs, are you really that bored??
 
Lastly because I am threw with you after this, you are not the LATIN expert you pretend to be, you still have a lot to learn, maybe you should try dating another 224 women……………..

[Researcher]

      But there are no marriage agencies either, so FT, and all those high school educated hicks might be a little challenged finding there way around.

In addition to being a pornographer  ...  I do try to do charity work when I travel  ...

       Hey Mr Illiterate that would be "finding THEIR way around".... Does anybody notice that while calling someone "high school educated hicks" ol' zon can't even use the correct word! hahaha!!!

       I've heard about your "charity work": buying sushi for poor bimbos hoping to get lucky! hahaha!!! hehehe!!!

      Researcher

 

[robert angel]

Why, FT?
 
Because most of your wry criticisms of others seem to have underlying tones of jealousy, envy and disguised regret, not to forget to mention a distinct air of 'sour grapes' about them. They're not as cleverly disguised by your attempts at witticisms, displays of false bravado and high morality as you might like to think, or how you'd like others to think you really are. Remember the end of "The Wizard of Oz"? Curtains, my little friend!


Of course you've never veered off of a thread topic yourself, but you use that as an excuse to not answer a simple yes or no question.  Why?Amazing how you hold such a lofty principle over such a simple little thing like this-- an innocuous little question. Bill and Monica should've had it this easy. What are you hiding--what's there to be afraid of? You know it's rare that I get my hackles up, but I'm not going to let two bit chicken shyt tossed my way, fade gently into the night either.

 
Then you've asked me to ask you nicely and said you'd answer then--obviously that was a lie or at best  or an oversight on your part---was I supposed to preface my 'please' with 'pretty'--or follow it 'with sugar on top?"well, we're still waiting!  So why don't you stand up,  deliver and get it over with--why don't you simply keep your word?
 
It only makes you look worse as you come up with one excuse, one stall tactic after another. For crying out loud, having a college education or not having one doesn't make any body any more or less important to anybody who should matter to you, but keeping your word should!  Perhaps your high principles don't apply there?

I won't retreat from higher ground, stooping to your level and calling you sophomoric names, deserved or not-- that's your style, not mine. Your utter failure to answer a simple question pretty much gives everyone the answer anyway--it's just so much like you to act in a dime store politician way to avoid giving an answer:


Father Time:--> "I'm just not interested in answering it at this time"--THAT sounds like you borrowed it from Obama himself!


Yea, you can fool some of the people some of the time.....

[Researcher]

Wow, FT and Researcher, I've always loved your posts.... but, geez, come on...... you guys are being total trolls right now.  Researcher is obviously just having a laugh ripping on Zon over and over, no big deal... whatever.... but FT, how could you possible rip on RobertAngel?  He's like the nicest guy on this whole forum with great insights and a wonderful attitude.
 
As for Zon, I love his posts, and I think its too bad that people take their time to just rip on this guy repeatedly without adding any real substance to the conversation.  I personally find it fascinating what kind of life a single, well off, pornographer lives while he is in Colombia... not only does my inner pervert enjoy it, but its also great information for areas and kinds of girls that I want to avoid when "wife hunting". 
 
And, Benijo, you know you would've jumped on the threesome.... haha, just admit it bro!
 
Sticky

      Hey Sticky, you want to know the kinds of girls to avoid while wife hunting?One way to do this is to stay away from guys like zon.The kind of women he hangs around wouldn't make good wives.

     While you may be interested in what zon has to say let me tell you that he comes around this forum when there is a fresh crop of wide eyed newbies.He "markets" himself as a high flying playboy starting threads with titles like "Medellin vs Cali The chick scene" to get newbie's interest but then he starts posting his "philosophy" that is really advertising for his business.
     Mr Commercial Member  is here to drum up business and that's it.He doesn't have any info that can help wife hunters because his interest here is trolling for customers.He posts very elementary observations that can be figured out on one trip to Colombia.So Sticky, don't fall for it.

      Researcher

[Zon]

 Mr Commercial Member  is here to drum up business and that's it

Utterly ridiculous. Have you seen this site's alexa ranking?  It is insignificant. And, as already been seen in other posts, good quality consumers (guys that pay money and don't stretch for bargains, rarely come here)

I am interested in exploring countries SOTB.  Colombia is only one.  Unfortunately this forum is one of the few that exist for that purpose.

[Researcher]

    C'mon zon, you'll take a customer anywhere you can get them and you know it! Yeah, exploiting Colombia isn't the only exploiting you want to do!

      Researcher

[Researcher]

Mr Commercial Member  is here to drum up business and that's it

Utterly ridiculous. Have you seen this site's alexa ranking?  It is insignificant. And, as already been seen in other posts, good quality consumers (guys that pay money and don't stretch for bargains, rarely come here)

I am interested in exploring countries SOTB.  Colombia is only one.  Unfortunately this forum is one of the few that exist for that purpose.

      Do you see that Sticky, ol' zon answered those charges quick! Why does he know the alexa ranking of this site right off the top of his head? hehehe!!! The same reason he knows the annual sales figures for the "Fleshlight"...this Commercial Member is trying to make money any way he can!!! hahaha!
 
    This just proves why zon is here.Why would he know such things?

     Researcher

[Zon]

I am a marketer - DumbA$$.   Of course I know numbers and standings!  You are quickly going to the level of FT; the retarded kid who I alternatively feel sorry for, and bothered by.  Fact - Where are my parade of customers from this site? 

Hell, the opposite is true.   

***  3 years ago, I mentioned juan carlos rivera to somebody that was going to Cali, and you and others took my headoff.  There were, of course, other helpers in Cali at the time, a guy named Arther who was banned from the mall for bothering girls, and another guy who was always pushing the envelope (he was murdered several years ago).  By the way, this is the same Juan Carlos that manages all the translators and helps all the customers for TLC.  (Don't bother trying to use JC.  He does not help individual Americanos anymore ... disclaimer; this should not be viewed as an endorsement!). 

I know other places and guys too that seem appropriate for me to mention in the context of threads, but I do not.  Any recommendation I would make here, would likely have the opposite effect***

[Researcher]

I am a marketer - DumbA$$.   Of course I know numbers and standings!  You are quickly going to the level of FT; the retarded kid who I alternatively feel sorry for, and bothered by.  Fact - Where are my parade of customers from this site? 

Hell, the opposite is true.   

***  3 years ago, I mentioned juan carlos rivera to somebody that was going to Cali, and you and others took my headoff.  There were, of course, other helpers in Cali at the time, a guy named Arther who was banned from the mall for bothering girls, and another guy who was always pushing the envelope (he was murdered several years ago).  By the way, this is the same Juan Carlos that manages all the translators and helps all the customers for TLC.  (Don't bother trying to use JC.  He does not help individual Americanos anymore ... disclaimer; this should not be viewed as an endorsement!). 

I know other places and guys too that seem appropriate for me to mention in the context of threads, but I do not.  Any recommendation I would make here, would likely have the opposite effect***

      Of course a marketer would know those kinds of numbers zon.The thing is you know those kinds of numbers FOR THIS SITE!.....The naive buy into your BS zon....I see through it!

  I don't recall "taking your head off" for the JC situation.If you can find where I did then reference it.

    You see Sticky, zon always twists the truth for his own purpose.Go back and read a few posts back where he talks about "adventure" and "danger".He asks if Dennis had ever been in certain places but NEVER gives details or says he has actually done any of those things.Other than camping with pansies or some nonsense.Dennis later said that was not dangerous. 

     Researcher

[fathertime]

      Do you see that Sticky, ol' zon answered those charges quick! Why does he know the alexa ranking of this site right off the top of his head? hehehe!!! The same reason he knows the annual sales figures for the "Fleshlight"...this Commercial Member is trying to make money any way he can!!! hahaha!
 
    This just proves why zon is here.Why would he know such things?

     Researcher

Bingo again Researcher! 


Sticky, I'm glad you have enjoyed our posts in the past.  In this case it is not about enjoying the posts, but to expose a charlatan here in pencil-neck zonny.    While having a negative perception of ladies is pretty common, his reasoning is utterly askew. You will notice that he has never denied that he falsifies his profile in order to attract ladies, of course when they actually meet him they see that he lied and of course they treat him like $hit...he pretty much deserves it is good the light of truth has been cast upon his observations, because if we let him get away with it unchallenged he would tell the stories of the ladies of Colombia in a much different light.. 


Fathertime!

[fathertime]

Why, FT?
 
Because most of your wry criticisms of others seem to have underlying tones of jealousy, envy and disguised regret, not to forget to mention a distinct air of 'sour grapes' about them. They're not as cleverly disguised by your attempts at witticisms, displays of false bravado and high morality as you might like to think, or how you'd like others to think you really are. Remember the end of "The Wizard of Oz"? Curtains, my little friend!


Of course you've never veered off of a thread topic yourself, but you use that as an excuse to not answer a simple yes or no question.  Why?Amazing how you hold such a lofty principle over such a simple little thing like this-- an innocuous little question. Bill and Monica should've had it this easy. What are you hiding--what's there to be afraid of? You know it's rare that I get my hackles up, but I'm not going to let two bit chicken shyt tossed my way, fade gently into the night either.

 
Then you've asked me to ask you nicely and said you'd answer then--obviously that was a lie or at best  or an oversight on your part---was I supposed to preface my 'please' with 'pretty'--or follow it 'with sugar on top?"well, we're still waiting!  So why don't you stand up,  deliver and get it over with--why don't you simply keep your word?
 
It only makes you look worse as you come up with one excuse, one stall tactic after another. For crying out loud, having a college education or not having one doesn't make any body any more or less important to anybody who should matter to you, but keeping your word should!  Perhaps your high principles don't apply there?

I won't retreat from higher ground, stooping to your level and calling you sophomoric names, deserved or not-- that's your style, not mine. Your utter failure to answer a simple question pretty much gives everyone the answer anyway--it's just so much like you to act in a dime store politician way to avoid giving an answer:


Father Time:--> "I'm just not interested in answering it at this time"--THAT sounds like you borrowed it from Obama himself!


Yea, you can fool some of the people some of the time.....

Robert it looks like you also have a tough time with your reading as well.  I NEVER said I would answer your question, I only said you didn’t ask nicely enough,  like a fool you just read into what I said. Take a close look at what I said and you will see for yourself.    It doesn’t matter to me what my education level is, but obviously it does to you and that is reason enough NOT to indulge you. 


Since you seem to what to get psychological with me, perhaps I should let give you a few thoughts of my own. Robert why is it that you continue to display your wife here like she is a decoration at a Christmas party? The details you have often given about her physique are not meant for the general public are they?   Sure it is interesting enough to read about, but where is the spousal respect on your part?  All that false humility you go out of your way to display makes me roll my eyes. Sure it is harmless but clearly it is not genuine and the spousal disrespect makes me wonder about your judgement in general.  When you were posting in a neutral manner there was no reason to bring this sort of stuff up, but now that we have seen the true aggressive robertTHEangel, it is time to own up to your false nice guy image.  Curtains my little friend!!   




As for my complaints and ‘loudness’, I have no reason not to be.  I enjoy talking about issues and I enjoy calling people out at times.  My life may have a few regrets but whose life doesn’t and these regrets don’t add up to very much when compared to all the good things I have been able to muster up.  Overall I feel like I have had a charmed life especially for the past 15 years or so.


Fathertime!

[dennislevy]

NO, I dont come off as a latin guy who understands the culture and walks the walk.
I know a fair amount about the lives of mature colombianas and how they think, I don t have untimate expereince with young girls girls, party girls, prepagos, clubbing, or drugs in Colombia.....

I am half French so I have some latin temperment...but in some ways I think as a gringo.  Although I ve lived in Colombia for three years and am now exploring Equador, what I try not to be is an OBVIOUS gringo.
 
So i taught myself Spanish, I travel and live low budget because i can get close to the culture (my theory is that someone can t learn about Colombia if they fly everywhere and stay in high end hotels or live in estrato 6 barrios)   And I try to spend as much time as possible either by myself or with latinas.
 
YOU ve brought up the comment that that you had a conversation with your girl friend about cheap gringos.
 
And you said you ve treated all women including prepagos....... well......I m just wondering is there anything more to that then a man not beating them up and paying them whatever was negotiated)  jejejeje........
 
And yes that was a shot.
 
My strategy has always been take a woman out nicely...but not extravagantly unless we were novios and it was an anniversary.....if it is a first date, we go someplace nice and we talk, sometiens its just coffee.....

I don t want to treat her any dfferently then an upper middle class Colombiano!!!!!!!!!   If there is chenistry, I want them to enjoy being with Dennis and not because Dennis has a wallet. The quality of the conversation should be the same if I take her to a Crepes or Waffles or the fanciest restuarant in Medellin or just for coffee   
 
This gets back to the different senses of entitlement between chicas and women.  Many men throw money at pretty chicas.....many attractive to beautiul mature women just want to go out with a man and have a pleasant time.

If a woman wants to screen ME and she won t have anything more then coffee thats fine with me, actually I like it because it shows me that she is careful.....she doesnt want to obligate herself.....Ive met women who will order coffee or a juice, wewill talk for 20 or 30 minutes..and then she says. OK, can we have lunch now? I like that!

I met a woman (for the first and last time) one afternoon in Pereria at a bakery acoss the street from my hotel, I had scrambled eggs, coffee and a croissant. She had a bottle of juice. We talked for 2 hours, and she didnt want anything else, the bill was 5,000 pesos with a tip.....

I am not bragging how cheap the date was, I am simply saying that if a man acts like a decent well intentioned person and he speaks very good Spanish, he shouldnt have to throw money at a woman to impress her. We decided nto to go any farther, that was a mutual decision.
 
The concept that a gringo should lavishly spend money on women in an effort to get to know...and bed them  is a gringo (foreigner) concept!!!! It was probably perpetuated by agency owners and oportunistas (of all ages). And I don t give a flying rip about any 20 yar old chica s expectations of what a gringo should or should not spend.         

I dont hate Colombian men, I simply have no use for them. I ve met exactly two in three years that I ve admired and trusted, both mature men in their 50s and 60s. There are of course, many faitfhul honorable men......I ve met what I beleived to be some of those men in passing.   
 
But my perception is that many Colombian men are spectacularly unfaithful and I ll just limit that to within the bounds of matriimony, many are arrogant, machistes, irresponsble, dishonest. drink too much and almost never can say hey, I screwed up, and I m sorry.
 
I ve had enough personal experiences with Colombian men to state how I feel.I love the culture, I admire the women, I love the language, but I don t  think I have to say I admire the men to love a country
 
You think thats a fair assessment?
 
I didnt lecture you about the age difference between you and your girl. I do think you are over 30, if I am wrong  I apologize. Its just a hunch, but I think you are over 30 years old.   I simply pointed out what I thought, but I didnt say YOU, maritime 04 were wrong.   I don t  think big age differences consistently work unless the woman is MATURE, probably at late 30s and up...but thats my opinion. .

There are men on the board who have married much younger women ....and I wish them all the luck and happiness in the world. You ve said that you ve been with your girl since she was 18 and you ve been together two years, why dont you marry her...soon? 
 
Or are you going to be like one of those Colombian novios.....who is with a woman for years and years...and never commits.  Now thats not a shot, im just poking you in the ribs....   jejejeje
 
And guess how many times, I ve heard from Colombiaqn women..... i was with my noviozago for 8 or 10 or 12 years and then he diappeared, or he married another woman....yadda yadda.
 
Tom is the guy who uses the phrase Young Women Disease to describe himself. He and I talked candidly, he says its how he s wired..he has to be visually stimulated, he s always got beautiful young girls working at the hostal...and i didnt lecture him either. We just candidly talked about what we each looked for in women.
 
As far as your questions.
1. the mind set of a 40 year old woman in Colombia is much different then a 20 year old chica. In reality,  forty year old or older colobianas rarely want to make concrete committments...its the duality of yo quiero pero no quiero....I ve written about this umpteen times, read my posts  and you ll realize why I don t lie to any mature women about my intentions.  But I always say if I find someone,I ll live with them.....and i remain hopeful.
 
2. How many times do I have to say this?  I am 58 years old, bald, I ve got a big nose, and a gut. The last thing i ve got is an ego about how I look. when I say I ve met 224 women in Colombia for at least coffee , its not bragging, its something  I ve done.   

Many of them were for coffee and no more, many of them were in Bogota agencies during my first year.
 
My strategy for understanding Colombia and the culture was simply to meet a lot of straight women, I ve literally chatted with a thousand or more women on internet sites, that doesnt make me a Don Juan..... I am not trying to say that Im better then anyone else...its simply what I ve done....If you live full time in a foreign culture and you dont think much of the men and their attitudes.....and you want to meet people and practice the language..... exactly how many other options are left?       jejejeje
 
I ve always preferred the company of women to almost all men.  Im sure that men think its weird that I keep a list..but keeping the list serves as a diary of my life and experiences.
 
3. As far as what you call insults and jabs, at times.....I like to be a little hard nosed...but civil and I respect posters who have wit and knowledge..and come back in a civil way....if you don t care what I think, my answer shouldn t  matter to you.   I always try to be civil..but there are thigns that turn me off. Men who lie, men who are uncivil,  men who are trolls, men who are mongerers and use prepagos...but thats just me. 

I use this board to see how other men think, to practice my ENGLISH.....and like to see what a guy is made of.....Has he thought about himself and why he is in SA...in a realistic manner.
 
And maybe now.......... you and i are THROUGH (not threw) with each other.
 
What do you say? 
 
Have a good day
 
Dennis 

[Zon]

I am happy that Researcher and FT are continuing to post, because they are simply demonstrating how COOKY they are.

1, you are both very brave online, but your demenor and opinions suggest a different personality type.
2, So when you were looking at my dating profile dude (a sentence I would never have thought I would utter to another man) and you noticed I kept my age at a 41 year old range ... do you think that is some kind of moral crime?    What about all the women I met that were a couple years older than there profiles; or that there mastery of English was not in fact "good"; or that they actually had 2 children, not 1.  What world are you living in?!?!
3, I made some observations about Paisas - factual I think.   But, I dated several nice girls.  I think I it is possible to find whatever you are looking for in Medellin, but IT WILL TAKE TIME.  No one week wonders here.

And here is the truth, and I am sure it bugs the hell out of you, I have no problem attracting and building relationships with a wide variety of women in a wide age group.  And, before you even start jumping up and down - yes, I do not hide I have business interests in the adult industry.   Some women are turned off, some are turned on ( it mostly depends on our behavior together, and what they actully see in me, rather than assume)

ASSUME!  Hmmmm. 

[Researcher]

     I'm glad to see that zon has come clean about lying on his profile.There is no telling what kind of lies he has told on this forum.Those 2 bimbos he tried to score with by buying them sushi were probably trannies.That's the kind of folks that zon attracts.I'm sure that many women in Colombia are repulsed by zon like he said and those are the good women.No wonder he has such a negative view of Colombia.The good women are repulsed by him and the ones he can get are probably just as repulsive as he is...it's a catch 22 for ol' zon.

      Researcher

[dennislevy]

Zon
 
My son is the Eagle Scout in the family...........not me.
 
And I ve got to admit it....I like just calling you when you get full of yourself....or you tell a howler..
 
A howler for example...You finally copped to the fact that you re just a bit more then  41. And you deflected it by saying what about the women who.....yadda yadda.
 
instead of worrying about other peroples moralities, why dont you improve your own....I think one s age is a fundamental part of their  real identity, their true identity..you didn t KEEP your age to 41...you LIED about your age.
 
And I am assuming the reason is that if you shave off some years off your age.....you can chase even younger girls....
 
How sad...and how DISHONEST...
 
 
   

[Kiltboy1]

DL
 
When I want to insult someone ill just come right out and say it, it’s the Latin in me. There's no in between the lines, or hidden crack. You try to come off as a Latin guy, who understands the culture talks the talk and dance's the salsa, so when I called you "chichipato" I used it in LIGHT TERMS, I think that the gringo that will always been inside you who took it as if I was taking a cheap shot at your low budget lifestyle. My girlfriend calls me chichi all the time, as well as her sister and friends, "DURO" common man YOU SHOULD KNOW in Colombia it’s used as a joke!
 
Had a good conversation with my girlfriend about the guys I know who try to "be cheap" with their dates, that’s why I brought her up. I DO NOT NEED TO HIDE BEHIND HER.
 
Personally I think it’s great you manage to travel and live on basic budget, that you date and try to understand the culture and its women, although I never understand how you say you LOVE Colombia but hate Colombian men? I think you went on the attack because you felt I insulted your lifestyle, and standard of living.... let me clarifyhow much I DO NOT CARE.
 
I am on these forums when I am working as entertainment, and a little bit of information on the visa process, when I home in Colombia I do not need to entertain myself on boards or threads, I have a future wife I can converse with, and enjoy spending my day with. I personally do not want to fight with you Dennis, and I like to think that you aggressive attitude here is only to help kill the boredom till your next date………………….
 
Since you want to attack me, let me respond. I am 30 years old, she is 20, and we have a wonderful relationship, so much that if you said to me, what you are implying in person we would have some “trouble”………….. That’s 10 years, low end on your stick. Funny thing is I have never heard or seen you give this much trouble to other members on this board whom have much larger age gaps, I would also bet you did not give you lecture to TOM when you were in Medellin either…………..but you want to attack me on the “internet” very brave.
 
You asked if I live large, or down low……………When I first moved to Medellin(2004-2005) I dated a lot, prepagos, dating agency’s, girls I meet in Castillo, campo Valdez, from sabneta to bello. Everything I was single, made a lot of money and wanted to have fun, you can call me whatever you want, because I DO NOT CARE! I learned a lot during those years, about Colombia, women and myself. I started to dwindle down 2008-2009 low key, and when I found myself a serious relationship I became totally “down low”………
 
I treat all women with respect, pregapogs, old ladies, women I see walking down the street, not simply the ones I want to screw. Some men tend to only do the latter………..
 
If you have any more questions feel free to ask, I do have a few for you
 
1. Are you ever honest with these women you date? Do you at least let them know upfront you are not looking for a serious relationship or a wife because you simply like to date?
 
2. Where does all that ego come from, the fact that you date 224 women? You act like you “chico suave” or “don juan”…………………………just wondering?
 
3. Why all the aggressive hidden insults and jabs, are you really that bored??
 
Lastly because I am threw with you after this, you are not the LATIN expert you pretend to be, you still have a lot to learn, maybe you should try dating another 224 women……………..

Maritime
 
You are not the canadian that used to have the penthouse apartment in cartagena and then moved to mde ??
 
KB

[Zon]

DL - it appears you desire to be the Wizard of Colombia "the All Good and Knowing"  Are you flippin serious?!?!?!   Instead of putting 46, I put 41 on a DATING PROFILE, and you guys think this rises to a level of character flaw?   HAHAHA.   What world are you living in?  The dating site stuff is 99% a waste of time, and only serves to loosely identify possibilities.  At least that is my opinion.  But, you guys have made many private alters here.  You use the term "lecture" above.  Why do you feel a need to do so in the first place WITH ANYONE?

"Instead of worrying about other people's moralities, why don't you improve your own?"   Go to a mirror and say this out loud, and tell me if you feel stupid.

AHH yes, young women.  Here we are again at the crux of the problem in Denise's eye.  Compare my behavior with that of a Colombiano and what do you end up with?  NORMAL.  Maybe even morally advanced.   

You happen to like old women.  No one is going to kick and scream with your about that because they are outside the scope of protestant sensibilities.  Nobody cares if you are dating and sleeping with old ladies.  The same is true with homosexuals - nobody cares.  But, so many people want to defend a damsel in distress - rightly, or wrongly, imagined or true.

[STM]

I am a fan of Zon, he has some good posts, and he has been posting for some time.
His trip reports have been very detailed, and I find it agreeing with my own trip experiences.
 
I recall Zon said the Dominican Republic had nice looking women, but not very smart, hard to have advanced conversations with the women.
Zon have you crossed off D.R. ??   or is worth another try?
 
 
 

[robert angel]

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Re: Medellin vs Cali - "The Chick Scene"« Reply #213 on: Today at 08:39:01 AM »

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Quote from: robert angel on Today at 04:22:29 AM<blockquote>Why, FT?
 
Because most of your wry criticisms of others seem to have underlying tones of jealousy, envy and disguised regret, not to forget to mention a distinct air of 'sour grapes' about them. They're not as cleverly disguised by your attempts at witticisms, displays of false bravado and high morality as you might like to think, or how you'd like others to think you really are. Remember the end of "The Wizard of Oz"? Curtains, my little friend!


Of course you've never veered off of a thread topic yourself, but you use that as an excuse to not answer a simple yes or no question.  Why?Amazing how you hold such a lofty principle over such a simple little thing like this-- an innocuous little question. Bill and Monica should've had it this easy. What are you hiding--what's there to be afraid of? You know it's rare that I get my hackles up, but I'm not going to let two bit chicken shyt tossed my way, fade gently into the night either.

 
Then you've asked me to ask you nicely and said you'd answer then--obviously that was a lie or at best  or an oversight on your part---was I supposed to preface my 'please' with 'pretty'--or follow it 'with sugar on top?"well, we're still waiting!  So why don't you stand up,  deliver and get it over with--why don't you simply keep your word?
 
It only makes you look worse as you come up with one excuse, one stall tactic after another. For crying out loud, having a college education or not having one doesn't make any body any more or less important to anybody who should matter to you, but keeping your word should!  Perhaps your high principles don't apply there?

I won't retreat from higher ground, stooping to your level and calling you sophomoric names, deserved or not-- that's your style, not mine. Your utter failure to answer a simple question pretty much gives everyone the answer anyway--it's just so much like you to act in a dime store politician way to avoid giving an answer:


Father Time:--> "I'm just not interested in answering it at this time"--THAT sounds like you borrowed it from Obama himself!


Yea, you can fool some of the people some of the time.....
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Robert it looks like you also have a tough time with your reading as well.  I NEVER said I would answer your question, I only said you didn’t ask nicely enough,  like a fool you just read into what I said. Take a close look at what I said and you will see for yourself.    It doesn’t matter to me what my education level is, but obviously it does to you and that is reason enough NOT to indulge you. 


Since you seem to what to get psychological with me, perhaps I should let give you a few thoughts of my own. Robert why is it that you continue to display your wife here like she is a decoration at a Christmas party? The details you have often given about her physique are not meant for the general public are they?   Sure it is interesting enough to read about, but where is the spousal respect on your part?  All that false humility you go out of your way to display makes me roll my eyes. Sure it is harmless but clearly it is not genuine and the spousal disrespect makes me wonder about your judgement in general.  When you were posting in a neutral manner there was no reason to bring this sort of stuff up, but now that we have seen the true aggressive robertTHEangel, it is time to own up to your false nice guy image.  Curtains my little friend!!   




As for my complaints and ‘loudness’, I have no reason not to be.  I enjoy talking about issues and I enjoy calling people out at times.  My life may have a few regrets but whose life doesn’t and these regrets don’t add up to very much when compared to all the good things I have been able to muster up.  Overall I feel like I have had a charmed life especially for the past 15 years or so.


Fathertime!

Report to moderator                          Logged09/08 saw morena goddess on Jamie's website
09/08Began writing/webcamming future wife
10/08Visited BAQ to meet future wife
12/08 Visited a second time and got engaged
01/09 Visa Paperwork done(williamIII)
02/09quickvisit BAQ
08/09Wife arrives
09/09Got married
11/10 son born
 
Fathertime, Fathertime....

Oye vey! Talk about calling the kettle black! And changing the subject--how convenient, Uncle Fester--since you brought up another new subject--'photos'--we do miss your photo, was that the most appealing one you have? But I think most would agree that here on P-L, photo's of a man and his wife, or even just of his wife--in a tasteful fashion, are more the norm than the exception. And I don't think ANY of them that I've posted, have been less than tasteful, nor have any been remotely suggestive. In the six or however many years in here as a p-L member--I think I've changed my avatar  photo 5 times--two of which, my wife wasn't even in the picture and one of us together. No bathing suits, bare midriffs etc. Not our style, sorry.
 
Christmas decorations? Ho Ho, Mr. Grinch--can't you do better than that? Another sign of subtle jealousy perhaps? Seems I recall a photo of you and the Missus, in fact, one where she appeared to be trying to screw your head on right, before you went solo with the Uncle Fester pic--I think it was copied off your driver's license?

 
Yes, I recently made some, what I thought were lightly humorous and no, not without pride, comments on my wife's derriere--and how they viewed it back in her home country--it was a funny little story I thought, about Asian big city street life, males both gay and straight, machismo and a bit more,all G or PG rated at worst. If you or anyone else (which I doubt is the case here) found that or anything else I've ever posted to be lewd or crude, Brazilliangirl and Innocent Vixen, especially, please call me out on it. If not, FT, I guess you're ONE exceptional fellow, pilgrim!
 
To be honest, other than occasional comments on her being petite, and hard to fit for clothes--and some things that Whitey and I touch base on as things in common, again I think you're blowing black smoke out of your tight little ass. I'm sure you'll look up every last post I've ever put up here and perhaps taking it out of context, find something you, at least, deem 'news worthy', post it and try slag me yet again, to further your misguided agenda, whatever that may be. Frankly I don't give a damn, nor do I think the membership here would buy much into it, not that this is any contest, but in terms of cards, you just don't seem to have much of a hand in play, I don't think.

 
But as is your way, once again- 'talk about calling  the kettle black'--since YOU decided to make this PERSONAL and bring our WIVES bodies, what we say and 'appropriateness' into this--- How's the wife's stretch marks, uncle? Fair, Etu?

If I put that kind of personal, degrading graphic shyt up here and my wife saw it, she'd be crying, ready to scratch my eyes out and looking in the yellow pages for a lawyer! Utterly tasteless. and shameful. I was expecting pictures next--my jaw literally dropped. Maybe you had post partum depression and were more out of your mind than usual, but in this country, if you do regain your sanity, you're still held to accounts. BTW--did she---your "Morena Goddess" have your ""coveted permission"" agreeing to allow such innately personal information to be posted by you?

 
My wife's friend has had stretch marks and they googled the subject and you know what?--parts pf YOUR comments/post came up in their google search! In fact, my wife saw the P-L reference/link and she and her friend called me on the phone in shock, to tell me and warn me to be careful--VERY careful, that certain words, phrases etc, put on sites like this and others, will come up in searches, where you might not expect. But hey--too late now, congrats--you've made the 'big show' worldwide, putting your wife on a real pedestal. Be sure to share that with  her and her family--I'm sure they'll be delighted.

But hey, this is just spiraling downward, you made your point by not making one. You answered the question obviously by ignoring, avoiding it and through subterfuge. I've made mine and I'm afraid, not too nicely. The cats are all out of the bag, claws and all.
 
So now, we all know that you don't have a college education. Whoopee doo. Forget about it. No conspiracy or theory involved. That, in and of itself doesn't make anyone better or worse in my book, not any smarter or dumber. My grandparents immigrated here with 7th grade educations and just the clothes on their back and a few pence in their pockets, without a pot to pee in nor a window to throw it out of. But like they told me: '"When you're at the bottom, the best part is that the ONLY way you can look is up" --they practiced what they preached. But they were the most educated and humble people I ever knew. They'd visit us and read the Encyclopedia Britannica Scientifica A thru Z for fun and do the NY and London Times cross word puzzles w/o reference books for fun--with INK pens!
 
I doubt if seven out of the ten richest (moneywise) people on earth--people who built fortunes, even finished college. No, a college degree won't even get you on the bus.

 
More importantly, a 'formal' education doesn't make the man or woman better or worse, smarter or dumber--it has little if anything to do with their character, or how they treat others--the more important things in life, that if by chance your parents didn't teach you, or if you dropped out after kindergarten, you probably already learned them, hopefully.

Fathertime--I don't hate you at all and honestly--this is getting awfully personal, turning into a spitting and pissing match that does no one any good. Like, where's it gonna go from here?--to no where good--I think we'd both agree. I hope we can bury the hatchet (not in each other's backs either, hehe) and move on--put the gloves back on, cyber shake hands and look toward to better days, like when we were getting along. It's happened here many times before, with members big enough to allow it and I bet--or hope, that we can too. Really, comeon, puhlease...

 
We've been fixating on the bad here and there's a lot of goodness in you too--I just haven't been looking for it lately--my bad.  This isn't my typical style, but if you could look at my knuckles even today, you'd see the old scars--I used to rarely back down from a fight--but hey, right now, my back's outta whack, my wife and kids out of town, my Irish is up and that's not good. Twenty years ago, when I was a REAL punk, if this was happening, I would of said, "This isn't about school, motivation or theory, it ain't about business--this is PERSONAL" and if there was an internet, I'd have 'pinged' your IP addie, from that, got your door address, flown out, and gone to your door, along with my little buddy, "Woody" from Louisville. Now THAT would've been stupid!
 
Anyway, here and now, our posts on this subject do little good for us, our loved ones or really, anyone here on P-L, other than provide the 'train wreck' sort of thrill that good or bad, we all tend to read with riveted eyes.
 
I really wish do you, your wife and child the best--it sounds like you have a real good thing going there and I sincerely hope we can put this little 'school yard cyber brawl' behind us and like back in the old days, maybe be better off--even as friends, if you will, for all of it. Peace? I think even old Don Vito would think it wise--telling us if:  'If you seek revenge, dig two graves' or otherwise he'd at least bang our coconut  heads together till we did.
 
And so--here's to better days, for you and I, for our wives and especially our children. I offer an olive branch of peace, and it's one without thorns, Compadre...

[Researcher]

DL - it appears you desire to be the Wizard of Colombia "the All Good and Knowing"  Are you flippin serious?!?!?!   Instead of putting 46, I put 41 on a DATING PROFILE, and you guys think this rises to a level of character flaw?   HAHAHA.   What world are you living in?  The dating site stuff is 99% a waste of time, and only serves to loosely identify possibilities.  At least that is my opinion.  But, you guys have made many private alters here.  You use the term "lecture" above.  Why do you feel a need to do so in the first place WITH ANYONE?

"Instead of worrying about other people's moralities, why don't you improve your own?"   Go to a mirror and say this out loud, and tell me if you feel stupid.

AHH yes, young women.  Here we are again at the crux of the problem in Denise's eye.  Compare my behavior with that of a Colombiano and what do you end up with?  NORMAL.  Maybe even morally advanced.   

You happen to like old women.  No one is going to kick and scream with your about that because they are outside the scope of protestant sensibilities.  Nobody cares if you are dating and sleeping with old ladies.  The same is true with homosexuals - nobody cares.  But, so many people want to defend a damsel in distress - rightly, or wrongly, imagined or true.

     Hey zon, why lie about 5 years? What's the thought behind that?If you can explain because it seems not only are you dishonest you are quite stupid....5 years only?


   Researcher

[benjio]

     Hey zon, why lie about 5 years? What's the thought behind that?If you can explain because it seems not only are you dishonest you are quite stupid....5 years only?


   Researcher

Now that I have to agree with...while you're at it why not go with 10. Or screw it...20!!!!

[dennislevy]

Zon


I am not the Wizard of Colombia. certainly not all knowing or all good. But I dont LIE to make myself look younger or better. I know who I am and I don t take advantage of people..

I am not going to attack you for what you do to earn money ...thats been rehasHed any number of times.

But YOU  do have narcissistic personality disorder....you have no sense of right or wrong. you re completely amoral.

Stop trying to divert by saying youre the same as a colombiano or women lie aobut their ages.. thats just bull[snip]........where is YOUR interior moral compass or have you completley lost your way?.


So...if you don t think  that telling your real age is that important...lets try an experiment. ADD 6 years to your age...lets have you be 53...if the age isn t that important to you....you .dont want to do it?....Why not? jejejejeje


Why don t YOU look in the mirror and tell me what you see...but before you do it......the answer is..an aging combination narcissist with a Peter Pan complex who doesnt want to face responsiiblity for his conscienceless actions and how he hurt s other people..

I know you CAN T do it because narcisists are always let down by the reality of what theey see vs the idealized bull[snip] image they have of themsleves. the sad truth is you ve got NO substance, NO depth.

One other thing about narcissits...they will say anthing, make up any lie, do anything to gain control of a situation.. So when you get confronted with the consequences of your decisions......you stall and evade for as long  as possible what you do, you lie about your age....I just assume everything  else is lies. and abolute bull[snip]. But as I ve said beofre...you cant control the actions of others in a public forum.

Yes, I like mature women...in their late 30s and up. I can talk with them, laugh with them, they teach me, improve my Spanish, and if there is chemistry we are lovers.

Would I like to make love toi a 20 or 25 year old girl?.....physically ..maybe yes, but I won t LIE or PAY to do it, so .morally, definitely not.....because I would be treating them as an object, and I will NOT treat women as OBJECTS or be treated as an OBJECT by a woman. ...

And that iswhat you still havent learned about human relaitons...and sadly, with your personality disorcer you may never learn i

People have Value, they are not objects!


Case closed......