Medellin vs Cali - "The Chick Scene"

[fathertime]

Some active posters think I am a PIG, and run all over anything I say - would not matter if I was Jesus Christ.   

By now you have to understand, you opinions are of NO interest to me.  HIGHLY unlikely we are every going to "bump into each other"  hahaha

If you guys OWNED the site, I would not come.  But, you are only members, just like me. 

I doubt you could say anything to me that you have not already said 1000 time.  I thought about ignoring your posts, but I loose context.   So, how about I change my avatar, and slogan " I am a happy pig.  Screw off "

  Indirectly comparing yourself to Jesus now! Way to go zonny!  I’m pretty sure some of the young ladies are buying your tales, but here you are among mostly men who when armed with all the information can figure out your elaborate bs!  I don’t really care that much if you are a ‘pig’ in your own private life, it is fun to pick out the hypocrisy here though!  This is elementary crapola, I mean you are almost 50 why haven't you figured it out already? 
 The pig avatar is just fine, but the pencil neck avatar would be more appropriate…


Fathertime!

[robert angel]

FT,
 
Re:
>>It makes a person wonder about their motivation<<
If the shoe fits, wear it--or otherwise put it somewhere else....

[dennislevy]

maritime04

Your girlfriend might have an opinion of the kind of gringo i am.....

If I recall  your girl is 20 years old...and ALL 20 year old chicas who date gringos expect a complete free ride.. because they don t have any money!!!!!!   That s after they are  done spliting the gringo s money with theiir Colombian novios! And most 20 year old chicas think the moon and the stars shine out of their colas.

Please! I m not including your girl on that assessment, I don t know her....

I dont remember the age difference between you and her...but as I recall its jussssssssst a few years. Thats your decision....

But remember, I won t date 20 year old girls.... no se valen la pena!!!!! jejejeje.....and that s my decision.

Yes, its polite to pay for transportation  for a woman, but its also fair to find ways to test how motivated a woman really is....and how self sufficient she is... Self sufficiency and self pride are balues that is multi cultural Its not an American value............

If I want to date a woman who is 37 or 39 in Medellin, I expect herself get herself to a first date becasue there is a very good bus and metro system and its onlu 2100 pesos.   I would not expect the same from a girl who lived in Soledad outside of Baranquilla. 

Your example of the take out dinner is clear abuse.......and I would never pay for that. I ve cut women in Cartenga and Baranquilla who tried that on me in a first date.

In Colombia women I ve dated have taken me to dinner, paid for a 5 day furnished rental apartment for us,  from have paid for cabs............

but they were juuuuuust a bit older then 20!!!!

You re going to have to give me a tutorial on what the MOTIVATION of a 20 year old girl is to be with an older rman.

Have a great day!

Dennis

[Researcher]

  Indirectly comparing yourself to Jesus now! Way to go zonny!  I’m pretty sure some of the young ladies are buying your tales, but here you are among mostly men who when armed with all the information can figure out your elaborate bs!  I don’t really care that much if you are a ‘pig’ in your own private life, it is fun to pick out the hypocrisy here though!  This is elementary crapola, I mean you are almost 50 why haven't you figured it out already? 
 The pig avatar is just fine, but the pencil neck avatar would be more appropriate…


Fathertime!

     Hey FT I have to disagree with you.The pig avatar is NOT ok...it is an insult to pigs everywhere!

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[Tanuki]

Old Hugh Hefner knows why those women are marrying or, not marrying him.  He is protected by a prenup because of it.  Yes, those girls are making a big compromise when they shack up in the mansion.  But, what is important for us wife hunters (LOL. love that title) is the ability to detect that sheeet and toss her to the curb.  I believe, as naive as this may sound, that there are true woman out there who are looking for a partner in life and not looking for just some sugar daddy. 
 
Everyone wants better than what they have now.  We are always looking to improve ourselves in one way or another.  Some do it on the up and up.  Some try to get by with as many short cuts as possible.  And, some do it the old fashioned way.  They steal it.
 
As the hunter, I must be aware of this and try to be mindful that my prey (Sorry couldn't help it.  letting the wife hunter thing get to me.) could potentially have many different reasons as to why she would want to be my wife, Misses Hunter.
 
 

[Researcher]

        Hey Tanuki, in the world of porn stars and prostitutes that kind of compromise is common.It is probably a way of life for many women who are used to selling themselves.Those lines get blurred easily.But in the normal part of society it is not as common as you might think.There are people that want a good relationship and also want to be married.Heck, even old Hef must be a wife hunter!!My wife, for example, was willing to live the rest of her life single.I was also.I enjoyed my independence but the right woman came along.

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[dennislevy]

Im with Micky on this....

Zon took a pummeling...and I was as hard on him as anybody.   I don t approve of what he does.....

but  to come back to the board took some big stones.

Why don t we just deal with what he has to say...and forget what he does..because even keeping it civil , there should  be penthy of red meat for everyone.

[Researcher]

       Well Dennis, I don't think it took much courage to come back and as far as the pummeling he took it mostly was just other posters dragging the ugly truth out into the light.Now, you have taken some heat only because you are an expat that isn't in a hurry to get married so, proportionally speaking, Zon should still be getting some grief. Instead I see his posts as having no substance or info for anyone looking to get married.At least you post your experiences and travels while zon wants to only philosophize about his life's journey.

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[fathertime]

.Maybe it will be entitled "Diary of a Mid-Life crisis".I think if Zon was so interested in self discovery he could learn alot from reading the archives and spare us the nonsense he writes here.

      Johnny Zon Zon is only "ignoring" certain posters because he knows they are correct and he can't dispute anything that has been said.
 
       Researcher

Bingo on both counts!   Johnny zonzon, won't outright admit that he tries to attract women by LYING about his age, but he also can't muster up a denial about it either.  So here is a guy that is lying to all the woman he meets about his age and now he comes here and tells us that he can't compromise himself with any of these young ladies?   Once again he is free to say "FT, you are lying, I don't lie to ladies about my age", but he won't because he knows he does.  I won't even bother to repeat the other abusive/dishonest crap that he is pulling with these young woman. 


I gotta also agree that his thoughts are not generally not very groundbreaking.  He is talking about dating 101 for the kids on the short bus.  A guy of almost 50 years should have a better fix on things!


I'd like to find some 'red meat' as dennislevy says, but I'm having a tuff time getting past his credibility to talk on the subject of real woman here.  His expertise lies in women of the night and how to lie to woman, which are subjects I'm not very fond of.


Fathertime!

[dennislevy]

Researcher and FT

Zon has posted about his imppressions of both cali and medellin.  They have been more then decent writeups. His initial writeup of Medellin was quite good. When he sticks to description, hes got something  to say, whenhe phisophozies, he s dense and verbose. And neither one of you guys are Ernest Hemingway or Mark Twain, and neither am I

And we all have our posting styles....

but if you want to keep bashing him becaause of what he is.... the quality of the latin forum wil go down. Personally, I think if people stick to the civility standard...we can say what we want to say. You can alwasys choose to ingore his posts, rather then take the same old shots at him.

OKI, up to you...had my say

[Researcher]

      Bashing? hehehe...You call that bashing?  I'm just pointing out things and expressing my opinion.

     If I was Mark Twain or Ol' Ernest I wouldn't be wasting my time writing here.

     I feel I can express my opinion here as anyone else can. If anyone considers it "bashing" then so be it. I'm not here to be liked or blow smoke up anyone's arse. So there you go.

                               

       Researcher

[fathertime]

Researcher and FT

Zon has posted about his imppressions of both cali and medellin.  They have been more then decent writeups. His initial writeup of Medellin was quite good. When he sticks to description, hes got something  to say, whenhe phisophozies, he s dense and verbose. And neither one of you guys are Ernest Hemingway or Mark Twain, and neither am I

And we all have our posting styles....

but if you want to keep bashing him becaause of what he is.... the quality of the latin forum wil go down. Personally, I think if people stick to the civility standard...we can say what we want to say. You can alwasys choose to ingore his posts, rather then take the same old shots at him.

OKI, up to you...had my say

Thanks you dennislevy for your contribution.  I have read what you have wrote and decided NOT to let zonnyboy off the hook.  I’m going to continue to call him on his misrepresentations.  There aren’t any real great alternatives, when you have somebody who you know is bs’ing the board, the choice is to stay silent and let it happen or to speak up and counter his points.   Once I saw that old pencilneck was going to talk about how he found success on ‘colombian cupid’, I decided to jump right in and counter his bullsheet.  I have a copy of the email I received that shows how zonny is advertising himself as a much younger man than he actually is (The secret to his 'success'?).  Now until he has addressed that issue, what he says regarding those ‘deceitful colombian woman’ should be taken with a grain of salt. I’m arming the general public with the same knowledge I was armed with.  If you were given access to the same email I received, you might feel differently, but for now you don’t have that access and hence don’t have the ‘burden’ or visual evidence of pencilneck’s bs.  But don’t worry, It isn’t much of a burden I do enjoy keeping  old pencilneck honest. 


Fathertime!

[fathertime]

.  Not just Norte Americanos either.  But gringos make up the biggest number.  Groups of older guys meet everyday at coffee shops to talk about last nights adventures ( "you only paid 30 milliones for a whole night!" while other share pics of their new "novias" - as if it will last for more than 30 days).  These guys come from all walks of life, but mostly are pensioners; retired military, cops, government workers.  So, it is no wonder why they are happy living in Medellin like the nuevo rich in Palm Beach.  These brave fellas hardly venture out of Parque Llares .

This is classic zon hypocrisy when you recall that zon traveled to Colombia with  BODYGUARDS (he posted it here on PL), and now he mocks others for their lack of 'bravery', and what he says about those other men probably isn't accurate anyway.     


Fathertime!

[dennislevy]

If you guys are on a Mission From God...knock yourselves out

[Researcher]

   HEHEHE! Mission from God....such drama! I'm just havin' fun...

    Researcher

[robert angel]

In the interest of a little 'comic relief',  here---My wife sometimes gets a wee bit fiesty, occasionally reminding me of some 'bad things' I may have 'taught her' and how they might come back to haunt me one day. At such times, she'll sometimes say--jokingly so far, pray tell:
"Don't forget--I'm an American citizen --an "American Beeeetch now!"
And now,  Back to your regularly scheduled programming...

[Micky]

"Some active posters think I am a PIG, and run all over anything I say - would not matter if I was Jesus Christ." - Zon 　

"Indirectly comparing yourself to Jesus now! Way to go zonny!" - FT

How can anyone possibly say that Zon is,  "Indirectly comparing yourself to Jesus" ?.  You accuse others of their BS,  but of course it is different and justafiable when you want to straight out manufacture BS to suite your needs.  What is it?,  others lie while you "create",  all in order to save many from the "lier".  Very good.
 　
　
 
"Oh and robertangel, lets see what your contribution was to this thread with this post…the usual unnecessarily verbose and unrelated to the topic… I’ve never seen a poster dedicate this many posts to complaining, whining, and groaning, about the manner of discourse of other posters." - FT

I do not have much time on this board.  Two guys that come to mind right off,  when thinking of the  "nice guy,  even tempered,  basically kind"  are RA and Whitey.  There may be others,  but those two I think of in more or less the same vien.  Again in your rendition of what is true,  where are ALL these posts that RA made with all of his "...complaining,  whining,  and groaning..."?

I never went to collage,  but I have driven by a few.  They had signs that read "Argumentum ad Hominem".  What does that mean?　

Micky[/font]

[Micky]

DL - M04 - Mudd - Zon
 

Asking your input on this,  if you care to,  as to your knowledge of the "Parque LLeras" gringos.  There may be others,  but I do know you four have some knowledge of this group.  I do not claim a very deep knowledge or understanding of these gringos,  I have only talked with three of them in nearly four years here in Medellin,  so a very small sample to go by.
One guy that I talked to was a very short conversation and really nothing other than he lived here and dated,  that was pretty much it.  The other two guys were fairly identical in their lifestyles here.  Both men 58 plus  ,  both had several relationships with Latinas,  both had no long term relationships (nothing more than a year,  average maybe 6 months),  both had relationships only with Latinas under 30 years.  Both spent pretty good sums of money on the girls (clothes,  paid debts,  school,  living expenses,  allowance).  I would say that it seemed that their collective age averaged 26 years old.  Personally,  I can not begin to understand the thought process,  or lack of one,  on their part.  Was my small sampling very far off and these two were at the far end of the gringo "circle"  Is the case here that most of these gringos fall into the brotherhood of stupidity,  start dating young Latinas,  become hooked on it and then the lifestyle transitions into their birthright? 
This should not be confused with even 40 something guys that are "wife hunting".  These are all gringos that can join AARP without forged documents and live here most,  if not all year long.  There has been the arguments before,  it IS possible that a 28 year old could honestly fall in love and develop a committed relationship with a 58/60 year old man.  It IS NOT probable,  my own numbers (manufactured in my tiny brain) would be 2% probability,  at best,  of a true compatible relationship with a Latina and gringo in this age gap.
I know this "age thing" is very flexable and there are always many variables when talking about the human species  Some of these guys may even seem like reasonable men in other applications of their lives,  but when it comes to Latina dating/relationship demonstrate a leaning towards being brain dead.  Does this same "gringo"  exist in Bogota,  Cali,  Cartagena,  Barranquilla,  etc.?

 
Micky

[maritime04]

CAREFULL DENNIS
 
I was never one to take easy offence and i will try not to let your words piss me off, but exactly how am i supposed to respond to that.........................
  maritime04

Your girlfriend might have an opinion of the kind of gringo i am.....

If I recall  your girl is 20 years old...and ALL 20 year old chicas who date gringos expect a complete free ride.. because they don t have any money!!!!!!   That s after they are  done spliting the gringo s money with theiir Colombian novios! And most 20 year old chicas think the moon and the stars shine out of their colas.

Please! I m not including your girl on that assessment, I don t know her....

I dont remember the age difference between you and her...but as I recall its jussssssssst a few years. Thats your decision....

But remember, I won t date 20 year old girls.... no se valen la pena!!!!! jejejeje.....and that s my decision.

Yes, its polite to pay for transportation  for a woman, but its also fair to find ways to test how motivated a woman really is....and how self sufficient she is... Self sufficiency and self pride are balues that is multi cultural Its not an American value............

If I want to date a woman who is 37 or 39 in Medellin, I expect herself get herself to a first date becasue there is a very good bus and metro system and its onlu 2100 pesos.   I would not expect the same from a girl who lived in Soledad outside of Baranquilla. 

Your example of the take out dinner is clear abuse.......and I would never pay for that. I ve cut women in Cartenga and Baranquilla who tried that on me in a first date.

In Colombia women I ve dated have taken me to dinner, paid for a 5 day furnished rental apartment for us,  from have paid for cabs............

but they were juuuuuust a bit older then 20!!!!

You re going to have to give me a tutorial on what the MOTIVATION of a 20 year old girl is to be with an older rman.

Have a great day!

Dennis   Dennis you should let me know when you are Colombia or Medellin again, we should have "coffee" as they say.......................

[fathertime]

"Some active posters think I am a PIG, and run all over anything I say - would not matter if I was Jesus Christ." - Zon 　
 
I never went to collage,  but I have driven by a few.  They had signs that read "Argumentum ad Hominem".  What does that mean?　

Micky

Micky I can see you that don't read too well so I don’t doubt you weren’t able to attend college!  You are free to defend whomever you want or perhaps can relate too!  The specific points I made regarding certain behaviors still stand unchallenged, and there is a reason why.   So what, if my comments are argumentative? In your grand design for this website do we always have to uphold courtroom decorum? 


Again in your rendition of what is true,  where are ALL these posts that RA made with all of his "...complaining,  whining,  and groaning..."?

Well mr Brainiac,  I can probably cite 10 posts or more with complaints about manner of discourse which is more than any other poster that I can remember but why don't you do your own legwork if you have such a strange interest in the posting habits of Robertangel?
 
Love,
Fathertime!

[michaelb]

Maritime---find a better type font, you're hurting our eyes.

[maritime04]

I will try to go bigger. I sent Dennis a PM so he can tell me what exactly he was trying to say..........
 
I will try an answer mickys question and Dennis "between the lines" insult.
 
I really do not know the "park illares" gringos that well but they do stand out. I think Zon explained the situation there quite well in his June 26th post. The fact that there are older man taking advantage of the poverty that encircles them to obtain women much younger than them never surprised or shocked me, only the fact that after a few months these guys seem to fool themselves into thinking they can control these girls threw money; like they have some real power......some fool themselves into believing 20-30 year age difference does not matter and a real relationship can exist. Whatever, the best of luck I say........I am also never shocked to hear of the robberies, drugging and hold ups, or cheating and lying, and leaving poor gringo at the restaurant for 2-3 hours while she ignores his phone calls..In regards to the brain dead comment I also too wonder how a man so successful in life, can become so deluded or foolish when it comes to younger women. If he were to use the same reason and logic towards business they most likely would be on welfare. O well……………..
 
I can use this to lead into what I took as a personal “implied” attack on my gal and her MOTIVATIONS toward me, Like Dennis I too am observant with regards to a women’s behavior and actions, but unlike him I do not make them pay for her taxi or transportation, I am a man and know how to treat a women. I am also an adult and know how to tell the difference between a woman who is trying to abuse me or actually has some interest in the relationship. I can go over a dozen things I look for, or want to see in a girl friend or future wife, whether or not she pays 2100 mil for a bus ride to see me is not one of them. I did not come to Colombia to find a professional woman who earns as much money as I do, or to satisfy my ego with 224 dates.
 
Notice how I attack Dennis and not the reasons or motivations as to why women date him, I really do not care, he’s a grown man and knows what he wants and can protect himself from sharks or self-interested women. We make a lot of general comments, and try to paint with a huge brush, but life is not that black and white. Not all Colombians are self-interested and not all 20 year olds think the sun shines from their ass, my girl does not, and THAT AND MANY OTHER REASONS IS WHY I FELL IN LOVE WITH HER.
 
I’ll let this issue die, like it should, I realize internet chatter can sometimes get out of control with insults and B.S. in the name of conversation.
 

[Researcher]

        I sure as heck wouldn't compare zon to Jesus but some of you guys are doing a good job of turning water into WHINE!!!

           



     Make a YouTube video already!! hahaha!!!


      Researcher

[whitey]

I know this "age thing" is very flexable and there are always many variables when talking about the human species  Some of these guys may even seem like reasonable men in other applications of their lives,  but when it comes to Latina dating/relationship demonstrate a leaning towards being brain dead.  Does this same "gringo"  exist in Bogota,  Cali,  Cartagena,  Barranquilla,  etc.?

As far as I know, there isn't any hangout in Barranquilla where elderly gringos go daily to compare war stories.  But, there are definitely some old gringos in BAQ with 20-something girlfriends.

I overheard one guy in the airport who was at least in his late 60's bragging about his 20 something girlfriend to another senior couple (I'm sure the wife had a few things to say about it afterwards!).

One of my wife's relatives who lives in the neighbourhood has a 40 something year gap in her relationship with a gringo and gave birth to one of his kids.  He doesn't live in BAQ now and I don't think he comes to visit anymore, but he continues to pay child support (good on him).

I would imagine though for every gringo in this situation, there are at least 100 colombianos doing the same thing.

I don't understand why someone that old would be interested in a 20 year old girl, but since they probably don't speak Spanish anyway beyond ordering a meal, 20 is the same as 30 or 40 ... there's not much of a relationship either way ...

[benjio]

I think any gringo in a commited relationship with a Latina 20+ years their Junior should honestly ask themselves if they went completely broke tomorrow and had to depend on their girlfriend or her family to support them, what would happen. I don't really care how much the gringo thinks the Latina is into him, there's almost always an alterior motivation there. When a Colombiana is truly in love with you, what you can do for her will have absolutely no bearing on your relationship. Just for experiments sake, cut her completely off for a while and see what happens.