Medellin vs Cali - "The Chick Scene"

[dennislevy]

Alabama Boy


You certainly are  within your rights to send me a rocket.


I respectfully think there are considerable challenges in a multi cultural relationship between any Colombiana and a foreign man who is say 15 to 20 years older, but even more so if especially if the Colombiana is young.  Again, Im talkiing about a straight relationship..........


Thats my personal opinion.....since you are married to a young Colombiana and there are 20 years of difference between you and your wife,  i assume you feel differently 

In the psots  that you wrote about our situation with YOUR wife, i beleive that I have been very respectful...I never said anything directly or even implied anything disrepctful about your wife... I hope with all my heart, that she gets a clean bill of health, gets through the embassy interview and gets on the plane and you live happily ever after, really I do....

I am always delighted...when someone makes a success.

As I ve posted , I spent a year and a half in Bogota trying  to find a wife.....I found that Colombianas in their early 40s didnt want to make a committment even to live together with me, at least a reasonable committment. 


One went back to her Spanish boyfriend, she now lives in Spain,

One wanted me to BUY an apartment immediately for us , i was willing to rent for 6 months and of course pay for everything and if it worked get married and then buy a casa.. She is still single .

One who is 52, backed off completley when she realized I was serious about a relationship with her. She had been married twice beofre and she is still single.     We still chat on the internet....and she tells me about her dates with the Colombianos who chase her.


The closest  I ve ever come was with my ex novia in Medellin...we are still very close and chat almost every day

YOU WENT all in, married and are re supporting your wife and if I understand currently you are or willl support to some extent her family. I think that comes  with the decision to marry a young girl from a poor barrio... That was your decision  I hope again it works out to your satisfaction.

As for any hobo crackhead beign able to date 35 year old and up educated women in Colombia,,,maybe thats what I am doing wrong, I am not a HOBO CRACKHEAD!!!!!! jejejee

If your exaggerated comment was meant  to imply that older women are desperate to find a man , let me  assure you that from my point of view, they are NOT deperate, they may have fear, they may be afraid to commit, they may vaccilate...but they are NOT desperate.

One of the very interesting  things   I ve noticed on this forum is that men who date or are married to much younger women may take me to task because they think I ve insulted their young mates...but they NEVER seem to write about  the woman s motivation ....

Thank you as well  for the plug about free speech! .


God bless America,
land that that I love.....

jejejeje

Have a good day!

Dennis

[Tanuki]

One of the very interesting  things   I ve noticed on this forum is that men who date or are married to much younger women may take me to task because they think I ve insulted their young mates...but they NEVER seem to write about  the woman s motivation

This is a good item to discuss.  Why do think younger and older woman might have different motivations in developing a relationship?  I can see the age difference may have impact on the type of male they might choose but, motivations?  To me, I think a young woman and older woman can each have the same types of motivation; money, security, family, companionship and the list goes on. 

[Alabamaboy!]

One of the very interesting  things   I ve noticed on this forum is that men who date or are married to much younger women may take me to task because they think I ve insulted their young mates...but they NEVER seem to write about  the woman s motivation ....

I think I have mentioned at least 5 times in various threads as to what I think is the younger woman's motivation:

1. Security and Protection (both bodily and economically).
2. Someone who will  be there for her and not cheat on her with 5 different women.
3. Someone who is not an immature mama's boy
4. Someone with whom to build a loving FAMILY and HOME. And who is ready for such.

I think if you can provide those things, then the 20-30 age group, as well as any age group will be interested in you as long as you are not a social misfit.

Most guys who are in their 20's, especially Colombian guys, do not fit the bill for these women.

Do you disagree with anything I have written here?

[dennislevy]

I don t exactly disagree or agree..


But from what I ve seen the overhelming majority of Colombian women  in that young age group  choose to have relationships with Colombian men...and as bad it may be............its what they know....if you check the porofiles of many women on cupido as I do......and alyhough its a  small but fair samplijng of Colombian women.......

In any age group ....MANY times a woman specifices as the beginning of her range a man that is 5 to 10 years younger. then HER.!!!!!!  That s right YOUNGER!!!!! .  Even a woman in her early to mid  20s will start their range for a man at 18......and there are precious few, if ANY 18 year old Colombianos who can solely provide for a young woman  unless they come from money or they are in illegal  businesses or they steal..

In some stratas relationships are very BASIC!!!!! Last October in Cali, i went out twice with a caleña, a negra 46 and probably strato  2 although I never saw her home.....She told me and I have no reason to doubt her....... that she STARTED living with her boyfriend when she was 17 and he was 12!!!!!  The families were not at all happy about it...but they let the couple live together. She never aked her esposo how he put food onthe tablle or paid the rent........They were never married but the uion lasted 18 years and they had 3 kids.

And my contnetion is that with few exceptions most young women don t think long term...unless they come from a family with education, social standing  or money or all three.......They just live day to day lookiing for the best deal that they can find.   Again that is a general contention, I don t want any poster to think that I am referring to their girl......

Some women do marry at 14, but it is in  certain sub cultures en Colombia and certain regions...and its because the man is older and offering home,  security, etc in return for her virginity and marriage and its almost always a wedding in the Catholic Church

And when a a mature Colombian woman says quiero un hombre humilde..... I want a humble man, I THINK what she is saying is............. I want a ,am I can CONTROL.....In other words.. a relationship  on her terms.   And I think that for many women their ability to have relationships without committments...as a fellow gringo put it so eloquently...to get some dick...if and when she wants it....... is .more immediate then the gringo attitudes of protection, security a home, etc.....especially if they have had a marriage or a union libre before.

In Colombia,  I had almost all of my conceptions about relatonships turned upside down.


 

[Alabamaboy!]

Well Dennis, I can tell you that I have not met many mature Costenas who were just out to "get some dick" as your fellow gringo friend said. Maybe things are different in your neck of the woods. I have seen just the opposite. I see almost all women of all ages dying to be in a relationship, have a home, a complete family with a husband, wife, kids, dog, etc. The only women I have seen with the bit of independent streak are the most naive of the young ones who think that they will be able to buy a house, car, etc. with their career as a bank teller after they have gotten their BS in Business Administration or something. And those women seem to be the same people you see floating around later talking to my wife asking  her if I know any other men "my age" to have a serious relationship with.

And I agree with you that Colombianas typically do not have the ability or knack I should say to think ahead or plan for 15 years down the road. But they can see what is happening today, right in front of their face. They can see the conditions they are living in. They can see the abuse and hard times that many of their sisters and mothers and friends have suffered from by being involved with a typical Colombian guy their own age who does not have a pot to piss in (many times, not always). They themselves can remember a few months ago about how the guy took advantage of them, lied, promised the moon and then she saw him out with another girl. If all those things were not true, there would be very little incentive for getting involved with an older guy, who many times is a foreigner. There would be no agencies, and Jamie would not have very many success stories.

Maybe the problem is that they can smell the player in you. And they know you are not serious about anything other than a very superficial relationship. Shoot, you may even have built yourself a bit of a reputation in Colombia by now. Even in good size cities like BAQ I have experienced a lot of that kind of thing. And I have been with a small fraction of the number of women that you have. I am not saying it is a horrible reputation or that anything you are doing is bad. But maybe the serious women are not interested in you, or you in them. And even if you both don't say a word you both can smell it on each other and that is the circle you have been running in.

Just out of my wife's family she has 5 sisters. Two of them have 3 children between them. Only one is "married" (the guy who may have TB), but even they did not really get married. Other than the married one, I bet the other 4 have averaged about 2-3 "boyfriends" a year over the past 3 years. Almost all of those guys the same age as them. None of the guys ever wants to get serious. Almost all the guys cheated on them or mistreated them in other ways. BUT THE FUNNY THING IS THAT THEY ARE ALL HOPING TO SOMEDAY MEET A MATURE, SINGLE, HONEST, DECENT GUY TO HAVE A HOME, FAMILY, ETC. WITH. THEY ALL ASK ME EACH TIME I COME IF I KNOW ANYONE FOR THEM. AND THEY ARE ALL VERY JEALOUS OF MY WIFE. She has a bunch of friends the same way too. I highly doubt "getting some dick" is high on their list of importance when they are living in a cesspool, being taken advantage of over and over again. I think "having a family and home" is much higher than dick. And I think they realize the sex is going to come along as a package deal with any guy they have a serious relationship with.

[Alabamaboy!]

And I think that for many women their ability to have relationships without committments...as a fellow gringo put it so eloquently...to get some dick..

They just live day to day lookiing for the best deal that they can find. 

So if I am reading between the lines correctly, you are in Colombia, not interested in any kind of serious relationship at this time, you think that most of the women are just looking for sex and the "best deal they can find", and you are just floating around taking advantage of that situation and enjoying life?

I just want to make sure I got it right, because again, I think that skews almost all the information you give here on this forum, because you are hanging out with a completely different class of women than what most guys are looking for with whom to have a serious relationship.

I don't blame you though, it is a good plan and if I was another 15 years older or so, I would probably be doing the same thing as long as I did not have children. Why not? As long as you are being up front and honest and not damaging anyone. But I doubt I would be here on a forum like this spending too much of my time, because it would be obvious to me that the relationships you are having do not have anything to do with finding a foreign bride. I would be more likely to be posting on a website like Ashley Madison, single dating forums,  or the cupidos with the search parameters set for "good times, flirting, unattached sexual relationships". Then your information would be invaluable. I would be the first one to sign up to your website or blog or whatever.

[dennislevy]

that as as nice as putown as i ve ever gotten ,jejeje

First of all I ve sat down and talked with at this point 224 women.....coffee , lunches and dinner are not sex, so please don t make any assumptions bout how many women i ve BEEN WITH!!!!

I ve met and dated women just about all over Colombia, from strato 2 to strato 6...and the most important thing i learned....what a woman says and what she thinks and what she actually is wlling to DO to make a relationship  work.........are three dfferent things. T}

here are gringos....who go all in.....and do it quickly, sometimes it works...sometimes it doesn t    I am niot critcizng  them, but  going all in s a way of deciding a relationship. }

There ar things I WON T do that you and other gringos have done. I am not saying that they are wrong things , I am saying I won t do them.

I am not interested in marrying a poor woman without an education or a decent job or her own business and I won t support her family, Her aged parents, yes...brothers, sisters...NO....I m not interested in being the gring mushroom wo gets lied to...but everone expects money from him

My first year and a half i was very direct....I want a wife...and yiu know it didn t work..

I was dating professional women in Bogota, 38 and up...they said they wanted a stable family, home etc...but as soon as I got a bit too close, they took off. and what Iearned was that if I didn t PLAY some cat and mouse...I was going to lose my share of the relationship. I also learnd that emotional stability wasa key factor and for  me a woman has to have it. itsahrd enough to speak anothe language and liv inTHIs culture, its relay ahrd todo it, if he woam is damaged.....so, HAS  she recovered from the hurts inflicted by by other men.  becausealthiugh Im sorry, im not responsible or those hurts.

You made the point that your wife s friends are averaging 2 to 3 boyfriends a year. AB, no one is forcing those young women to go out with a colombiano, right? They are going to the licoceria with Juan or Maue on their own free wlll }

Another thing earned is that many colombianas prefer the lies to the truth...because they want their lives to be like telenovelas

I think we have different points of view...you are with  a young woman abd your frame of reference is her friends ans maybe her barrio. and if i want o be respectful of you....so plase don take it the worng way.....If I am not mistaken...you were married once boefore to a colombiana...and it didnt work out..... for whatever reasons.....correct?

i v ebeen marrried twice. once for a quite a while , once very briefly, I ve posted openly about it.  I am not in a rush  get married, I would like to to live with someone...I don t see how many women i ve met or how long I lived SOTB as standards of personal morality.........of the posters here.there are some people  who think  I ocasionally get lucky...tere are some other guys who thiink I ve gone to bed with hundreds of women. what  I ve sad is tha I ve met 224 women, how many were lovers is not somehting I will discuss.....on the board or with any woman.

i htink there arwe two  possibly three  posters who understand my pointof view.. Andy lee who has diappeared tobe with his novia, and although he is much youger then me...benjo 

Some women ahvetold me that I really do undersnd the culture....I certainly don t understnd everything, I don t think so....so i try to play wih a mxture of American and Colombiano rules.

and it seems to have worked fine.

Please keeo the cards and letters coming.

Have a great eveing

denis

[Alabamaboy!]

.you were married once boefore to a colombiana...and it didnt work out..... for whatever reasons.....correct?

No, I was never married to a Colombiana. I was engaged to a hot, spicy Costena who was one of the hotshot "I can get my own career, money, car, etc." She had a bit of Beyonce attitude. Was smokin hot to be sure. But after ending things with her several years later she has tried to get back with me several times. She has also tried to have a relationship with a Colombiano with a decent job. And why would a hot girl like this, who can get as much "dick" as she wants, want to get married? Because I think that is what the vast, vast majority of the women there want. At least in Barranquilla. Even if they think they want something else, when they hit about 22, they realize that the party is over. And getting boned by a different guy every week is OK, but not really a good long term plan.

The girls that are dating 2-3 different guys a year? They are not dating gringos because they are not the best looking gals in the world. And it is not like there are a lot of gringos hanging out in Soledad. And I think a pretty big chunk of guys are not going to be interested in a "descomplicada" woman from a lower estrato. They are like you, more interested in the professional gals. The thing that my wife had going for her was she was the pick of the litter and that is what got me interested in her enough to begin the dialog with her. If she was not so great looking, I think she would be doomed to the same kind of situation as her sisters and friends. But the fact that they are at least trying to have relationships does not mean that they want to be with these guys. They are settling because what are their other options? Just live like an old maid? You know that is not going to happen. So they try to make the best of what they have. But that does not change what is their dream, their goal in life.

And I was serious. I would definitely be doing the same as you are if I was the same age and had no kids to support over here. As a matter of fact that is my Plan B. Because it would be a great life I think, traveling and meeting a lot of different women like that. But at this time in my life, I am still on Plan A. Everything is going too good for us.

[benjio]

Both of you make excellent points...I do have to sway more in Bama's direction in terms of the preference of Costenas. Given the option, regardless of his age or her motivation, most would much rather be with a foreigner. Like Bama said, the ones that aren't dating Gringos are simply not able. It might be their looks, or perhaps their economic class, but I've never met a single girl in Barranquilla that didn't ask me if I had some single friends back in the states as soon as they met me. This however IS NOT the case in Bogota and the other major cities in Southern Colombia. Zon has written that Calenas have a great interest in Gringos. There were definitely girls interested in me while I was in Cali, but I got the impression it was for reasons other than me being a foreigner.

Bama, my ex was the same way...and she is already calling more than ever trying to patch things up. I have no interest in getting back with her though.

[dennislevy]

I will say that the highest closing rate that I ve had (in other words women I met with whom I had sexual relatoinships...has been on the Coast in BQ, Cartagena and Santa Marta. I didn t push at all.. they simply said are we going to your room?...or I want to talk more with you but in your room----Of  course this was after some steamy kissing in a restaurant. 
 
The women were between 31 and 52...Those of us who have been on the coast know how pervasive sex is.....it just IS. Mature costeñas are very direct and up front about talking about sexual preferences especially on the Internet. As long as the dialogue is in good taste, just about anything is open for discussion.
 
As for costenas preferring to be wth a foreigner regardless of age, no I don t think so....jejeje, but that is just me..... Ive gotten completely ignored by plenty of costenas in their 30s and 40s....maybe because I lived in Colombia...jejejeje or they wanted a better looking men.
 
When I said many woman want dick.....I think it got taken out of context. Yes many mature women want companionship and to go out...and to dine and go to the movies and dance and...........
 
to make love when she has the need...
 
-----------but SHE doesnt WANT to live with a man again, she wants  HER space, SHE wants to focus on her children and her job and her parents and sometimes her siblings...but when she feels the need, she wants some romance and sex.
 
It took me a while to understand it....and once I finally did, I had an important key to the culture...and of those 200 plus women I can literally count on no more then two hands, between 10 and 12 women I thought were willing to go all in or had the emotional capability to go all in.....that s 5%.
 
This doesnt go for 20 year olds and I don think I ever said it did.....As I ve said I have got opinions based on listening  to a lot of conversations betwen youjgn chicas at neighboring tables..
 
I also think they are leery of concrete commeittments but for different reasons.
 
   
 
   

[Zon]

you just can't look at demographics and statistics.   Age, wealth, etc... matter, of course.  But, like Dennis said, there is a great amount of lying, deception, and manipulation in order to "get what they want."

I am with Dennis 100%!   While pretty / party girls are fun to pass the time, but you always have to have a distrustful eye on em all the time- and that gets old fast.   These girls mostly come from poorer barrios and truthfully are in compromised life situations. Girls from upper stratas (even middle class) and with an education and a little international travel ... that is more similar to dating normally - women with choices, not in compromised positions.

If you can't tell if a Latina is interested in you - she is NOT.  And, things like style and manner matter greatly. (this is where most Americanos falter BIG TIME)

One last point, the "age issue" should be considered a "league issue".  Some 35 year old AM are incredably UNELIGIBLE. Conversely, some 50 and 55 year old men still are on the top of their game ( How old is Tom Cruise; George Cloony; Richard Geer.  Hell, look at Sean Connery).   It is really a matter of what one can honestly "pull off". Who does not want to find their most suitable and attractive mate?

Also, a little English, travel, no drug use, and no children is a HUGE PLUS - alas, very hard to find.

Beauty is not rare in Colombia.   If you are serious about finding a wife, I say shoot for a 7 - 8 on the outside; 9 - 10 on the inside.  The women who are very very physically attractive have already had a lifetime of "men troubles" - there are problematic for relationships. 

[maritime04]

NOA2 approved, ill have to think about fighting with dennis at a latter date,  not really in the mood. although i am not stupid enough to let you bait me into flying you for "festiva de flores".............300 bucks is not a lot to pay for kicking your ass for stupid comments, explaining why i am beating up a old man at the aiport would be alittle difficult. I did not really think about how i would explain that to  my girl when i made the offer.
 
"honey i am off to rio negro to beat up an elderly person becuase he basiclly called you an "intersada" on a internet fourm in which i post personal stuff about our relationship/family" only when i am on the ship though.................................yeah
 
I would rather loose face, admit i over spoke about offering you a free ride to medellin then have that conversation with her. regardless its tempting but not worth the trouble, money or time.
 
I think i have made my points clear, and at this point i have allot of other stuff going on.

[Alabamaboy!]

NOA2 approved, ill have to think about fighting with dennis at a latter date

Congrats on the NOA2. I just got the "Sign in Failed" and "Case Closed" last week so hopefully we will have the interview within a month or so.

[maritime04]

NOA2 arrived by mail to my postal address in the US (mothers house) it said that it is being forwarded to conulate bogota, i thought it was sent first to NVC, then bogota ? Alabama boy did you contact the embassy via e-mail or phone>?
 
I have alot of questions as i get ready to fill out and get all the stuff nessary for the i-134. I filed late for my taxes so all i have is a copy of 1040 that my CPA submitted? should i fill out the form for transcripts? or is that enough?
 
Can i download packet 3 from the internet or should i wait till they mail it to us in Medellin?
 
It feels very for real now, i have been eying single families homes in south florida for us, i cant wait to have my own place  for BBQ, and to see my family and friends on a regular basis. its been a long time, as i have only been visting the states for 2-5 days for short trips.
 
My girl is excited about the process, but i often think does she realize that for atleast the next couple years Colombia is only going to be a 2week vacation a couple times out of the year. We have had this conversation over and over again, but i still have to put some thought in helping her overcome home sickness, and missing her family.

[Researcher]

    Congrats Maritime. I just used notarized copies of my tax returns in all my packages.If you want to use transcripts that's ok.I just always sent copies of everything and then took the originals with me for interviews in case there was a question.

     I'm sure at this stage everything seems to be happening at a pretty good pace but the Government doesn't get in a hurry.It's all "hurry up and wait" for them.Just be as prepared as you can be and make sure to dot the "i's" and cross the "t's" on your paperwork.

      It's good that you are thinking about what your lady may go through after she comes to the US.I think many guys don't understand that and it is a mistake.I know my wife missed her family and still does at times.You might want to prepare yourself for when she says goodbye at the airport.That was tough.But you still have time before that.

   Good luck with the process.

   Researcher

[maritime04]

yeah thanks
 
allot of guys feel that women are sooo desperate to leave colombia that they do not care about leaving family. COULD NOT BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH. my opinion
 
in regards to MOTIVATIONS do you mean intrinsic or extrinsic, kinda vague becuase there is never just one, humans are motivated by allot more complicated stuff then basic needs, throw love in the picture and you get a mess.
 
Yeah i have to think of a supprt system, she has contected with my father as they chat on the phone 3-4 times a week. Lots to do, especially about moving back to the states, in addition to paper work for visa
 
 

[Researcher]

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    Maritime, That's great that your lady is getting to know your father.Having a supportive family of inlaws helps.I don't mean to pry but is your mother still around? The reason I am asking is that Colombian mother-in-laws are notoriously awful to their daughter-in-laws.When my wife came here she was especially concerned of how my mother would treat her.Now my wife and my mother get along very well. That has been a great help.


   Researcher

[Researcher]

you just can't look at demographics and statistics. 



One last point, the "age issue" should be considered a "league issue".  Some 35 year old AM are incredably UNELIGIBLE. Conversely, some 50 and 55 year old men still are on the top of their game ( How old is Tom Cruise; George Cloony; Richard Geer.  Hell, look at Sean Connery).   It is really a matter of what one can honestly "pull off". 

          I have to laugh when guys point to Hollywood celebrities as examples for the rest of us.Look at Tom Cruise..blah,blah....yeah, look at Tom Cruise he is rich and famous and lives in a different world altogether than the rest of us.One thing to remember about someone like Tom Cruise is that he is Tom Cruise and you are not.

          There is no magic group of women, educated, wealthy etc... that will automatically make a good wife.After spending several years actually wife hunting I can say nothing replaces actually meeting women and using good judgement and common sense on a case by case basis.Anything else is really fantasy.It's like many guys are trying to come up with a way to win big on Roulette by devising some system.Good luck with that.

         Researcher

[Alabamaboy!]

NOA2 arrived by mail to my postal address in the US (mothers house) it said that it is being forwarded to conulate bogota, i thought it was sent first to NVC, then bogota ? Alabama boy did you contact the embassy via e-mail or phone>?

Are you doing the fiancee visa or spousal visa? For me I am doing spousal visa CR-1 and the NOA2 meant that the papers were heading to the National Visa Center (NVC). And that is where I had to send in the completed I-864 with tax return info. And my wife sent in the completed DS230 with all the supporting docs, including DAS migratory report, police report, passport photos, marriage cert, birth cert, passport copies, etc. Only after they look over all that then you can go to the sign in area at the payment portal for the NVC and keep trying to sign in. If it does not allow you to sign in anymore then you know your "case is closed" and will soon be heading to the Embassy. I then called the NVC number 603-334-0700 to verify all is good.

For the spousal visas, the NVC sets the interview date, based on how many open slots there are at the Embassy. Eventually when I call the NVC they should be able to tell me the date. Another way to check the date is to go to the Bogota Embassy website, and on the left hand side under "Visas" there is a tab for "List of Scheduled Appointments" where you can look for you number in the list. That list is updated at the end of the week of the week that the 15th falls on for the upcoming month. Then it is updated again and says "final list" at the end of the month.

It seems like things are going slow at the embassy or something because a couple guys have had their case closed around the 3rd week of June and got their interview dates for the 3rd week of August. But who knows? Maybe they had complications with sending the notification of "readiness" or something like that, or needed to reschedule for some reason.

Anyway, send me a PM if you have more questions. I don't want to hijack the thread.

[fathertime]

         

          There is no magic group of women, educated, wealthy etc... that will automatically make a good wife.After spending several years actually wife hunting I can say nothing replaces actually meeting women and using good judgement and common sense on a case by case basis.Anything else is really fantasy.It's like many guys are trying to come up with a way to win big on Roulette by devising some system.Good luck with that.

         Researcher

i'm going to have to agree with Researcher on that one....it is completely a case by case basis...i would not rule out a very attractive girl because of her strata or because of fear of her being 'damaged' or a 'lier' like others might...investigate be TRUTHFUL yourself, and use good judgement.


Fathertime!

[dennislevy]

Maritime04
 
Congratulations and I  hope that everything goes well.
 
I didn t BAIT you, I simply CALLED your bluff...and you are easy to read......I knew that you would fold. For whatever your reasons, you made the right decision to fold.  But,  I sincerely hope you dont play poker for real money! 

Once again, I never told you that your girl was an interesada...but we ve both apologized to each other.
 
Time to move on.
 
Again, good luck
 
Dennis   

[maritime04]

If you talk [snip] to someones face they are going to smack you down; trust me 300 bucks is not allot of money but i had to consider other issues, i am not alone in life, so getting arrested at the airport is not going to bold well for me. either is explaning why i am fighting with some guy.......................
 
You were close to getting a free trip, and probly seeing me thrown in jail; Your talking to a guy who has ripped his face off to spite himself; that was my nature, i have in the past allowed my ego and pride take over and do foolish things over principle. But i have to take a step back and think, its not that important to me. It all came down to my girl, YOU WILL PROBLY NEVER UNDERSTAND, but thats why.
 
Dennis you can try to piss me off as much as you like, i am not going to care; you talk trash from the safety of the internet, THAT SAYS IT ALL. I am not going to get my self in trouble over YOU, like i said before you are not worth the TIME, EFFORT OR MONEY.
 
Good luck with your life,

[robert angel]

Just when I thought everyone was getting nice again--after even I ate the bait and caught the 'nasty' bug myself recently, then got over it,  and feeling -almost 'sweet' (egads) I was thinking about opening a HallMark card franchise here.
 
But now I see we're back to our old ways!
 
Oh well, maybe I can still do the Hallmark thingamajig  here and on the other--shall we say on the 'dark side?', that'd cover both ends, by also developing some clever way to allow people to send internet '"Nastygrams'--or should it be "Nastynotes' or perhaps NastyEees?
 
Hey, it'd be cheaper than airfare, roses, broken noses and bail bonds!

[Researcher]

     Well Robert, I would say it is just human nature on the internet.Anywhere you have a group of people you will have disagreements that will lead to petty arguments and hurt feelings.Usually people work things out or just accept them and move forward to be more productive.That is a part of teambuilding.I guess everyone could keep everything inside just to be nice but then you would see some real explosions and meltdowns, it's happened before.

         Researcher