Need some honest advice

[Globetrotter]

... in response to My God, the IQ...I'm Better than you com..., posted by Globetrotter on Dec 14, 2002

OK....My subject is WOMEN!!!

[LP]

... in response to My Subject...., posted by Globetrotter on Dec 14, 2002

[John LV]

... in response to Re: Re: "that will never come only ..., posted by John LV on Dec 13, 2002

And just so you can see that personality has nothing to do with looks, take a look at what she looks like.

http://www.stockgappers.com/

Go to the left of the page and press "media", then look down toward the bottom at "davetrading", that is her and myself together the day after we were married, that picture was taken at the Bellagio.

I don't mean any disrespect to anybody, but I will NEVER go out with a girl who has any tatoos ever again, I hated them when I first met her, and I knew it wasn't a good thing.

David

[WmGo]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: "that will never come o..., posted by John LV on Dec 13, 2002

IMHO if a woman has a tatoo it is a sign of having no class and probably no education. In addition it indicates self esteem issues. It also indicates that the woman may be a little on the trashy side.

Yes, there are exceptions, but as for me I respect myself too much to date woman who have them.

Dva kopekc

[MtMav]

... in response to Re: Tatoos, posted by WmGo on Dec 13, 2002

Like yourself, I will NOT date any women wearing a tatoo.
You are rather diplomatic in your post suggesting a women with a tatoo "has no class..... no education..... self esteem issues...... trashy side." I'll be more blunt.... a
women wearing a tatoo resembles a drunken sailor on shore liberty or a harlot..... perhaps drug use. What has become of (some) American women? What are they thinking???

[WmGo]

... in response to Strongly Agree, posted by MtMav on Dec 14, 2002

The problem is that they are *not* thinking, but rather are allowing the pop/New Age/post modern/post Christian rebelious culture to direct their path......Oh to find a Proverbs 31 woman!! !

[John LV]

... in response to Strongly Agree, posted by MtMav on Dec 14, 2002

You guys really surprise me, I thought after saying that I would never want to go out with a girl with a tatoo, I would be ganged up by all of you and told there was nothing wrong with it.

It's surprising to hear that you guys don't like them either. In my experience, girls with tatoos are the ones who are into porno, strippers, bi-sexuals, etc.

They are a rebellious type girl, not a woman who would make a good wife, who is into family, who would want children, and be a good mother.

I've learned a valuable lesson, never fall in love with a girl over the phone, that was a very stupid thing for me to allow happen.

All I can say is finding a wife in another country while living here in this country is a very dangerous business, and while some are successful at this, mine turned out to be the worst disaster I've ever experienced.

And for the record, Natasha had a very large tatoo on her left arm, and another large tatoo on her from hip area, I always thought they were very ugly, and always hated them very much.

If I ever did this again, I would first go over there and meet girls in person, not over the phone. Second once I met one who I thought I liked, I would hire a PI and have him/her investigate this girl, and watch her from time to time, like on Friday nights to see if she goes out with other guys for instance.

Additionally, once I brought her over here, I would tape record her conversations and have them translated to see what she was saying to family and friends, I would put a GPS system on her car and make sure she was going where she should be going, and once I got her here, before I married her, and even after I married her, I would hire a good looking guy to confront her and try to ask her out, being very forceful, saying things like, "I don't mind your married, I won't tell if you won't, why not just have a drink with me, what is the harm in that", seeing how far it can be taken.

That would be the only way you could know if you have got yourself a good girl or a cheap tramp, because in my experience in this life, I'd say there is only one decent girl out of a 100.

But one of my very first questions I'll ask a girl when I meet them is, "do you have any tatoos", and if they reply yes, I would end the conversation right then and there.

Good luck to all single guys out there, it's a jungle out there with scorpions roaming everywhere.

As my dad used to say, "they all seem nice when you first meet them"

How true that is, how true that is.

David

[BarryM]

... in response to Re: Tatoos, posted by WmGo on Dec 13, 2002

along with extreme body piercing and modification.

-blm

[WmGo]

... in response to Tatoos are considered pagan...., posted by BarryM on Dec 14, 2002

Yes, you are right. There are prohibitions against tatooing in the Old Testament. The principle seems to be that God is quite satisfied with his creation and that it is the "other side" influences which motivate one to distort their own body with the placement of tatoos. In this regard, it should be noted that most tatoos are of a *dark* or purely carnal nature as opposed to *light*.

I would say that I have some Christian friends  who have religious tatoos like crosses, the fish and Scripture verses on their arms... so here I am not so clear on whether those kinds of tatoos would be a violation of the Old Testament prohibition given the fact that we in this age are not under the law but are under grace......never saw a "nice" tatoo on a woman....I now even see women with the barbed wire tatoo around their upper arm...maybe GI Jane or something....

[BubbaGump]

... in response to Re: Tatoos, posted by WmGo on Dec 13, 2002

Yup, couldn't agree more.  Maybe we're too old to appreciate this trashy trend.  There is a high correlation between tattoos and a criminal record in the US at least.

I was vacationing on the gulf coast last week.  Ate shrimp every day as you might guess.

[John LV]

... in response to Re: Tatoos, posted by WmGo on Dec 13, 2002

Well in the American culture, what you have said is obvious, and I would not even consider it, however you must remember, when I first started talking with Natasha on the phone, she was so sweet, so friendly, so kind, so soft spoken, saying all the things I wanted to hear.

She was unlike any other woman I had ever spoken with in my life, she was incredible to say the very least, I fell in love with her in a week or two, she was so intoxicating to speak with, I loved everything about her, she was INCREDIBLE, a dream come true, the best woman I could ever imagined meeting, I thought I had struck gold meeting her, the answer to all my dreams, the girl of my dreams, no other girl could ever come close to her.

Then I learned she had tatoos, I didn't like that at all, but I was in love with her at this point, it was too late. I remember when I first saw them, I hated them, but my love for her overlooked them, and I thought to myself her culture must be different than ours. She said that lots of girls in Russia have tatoos, she said, "oh David, please tell me it's ok I have tatoos, you would hurt me so much if you didn't like me because of them, kitties have tatoos sometimes"

You cannot imagine this girl my friend, I have been with about 50 girls in my 35 years, none of which were ever even close to this girl. I always said to myself that if this girl wasn't for real, than she should win an acadamy award for her acting abilities, well, now I know she should win her award, because it was all an act the whole time. She is nothing less than an extreme pro, her abilities are the best I've ever seen by a thousand times. I should have known it was too good to be true.

I can only wonder how long it will take when I can go a whole day and not be in total disbelief this has happen, I cannot wait for that day.

But please try to understand, when I met her she was incredible, she was so sweet and kind, so soft spoken and elegant, so lovely in every way.

I still cannot believe she has turned into the biggest b*tch I've ever known in my life, it just doesn't make any sense, I'm still waiting to wake up from this long nightmare and give her a kiss while in bed, it should be a crime what she has done, she should spend the rest of her life behind bars for what she has done, but nobody will ever know, nobody will ever believe, only her and I will know what truly happen. I am good, she is evil, its really that simple.

David

[JohnL]

... in response to Re: Re: Tatoos, posted by John LV on Dec 13, 2002

.......... David, you should really practise what you know is right (and what can easily be forgotten) "Forgive those who trespass against YOU". If you dont, you will end up the same miserable soul she is. Gauranteed!

I am good, she is evil ? Harsh words taking the above into account. Remember, "He who is free of Sin, let him cast the first stone". Have you forgotten that?

Why cast your pearls lest they be trodden underfoot, tatoos or no tatoos!

WmGo gave you the best reference to evaluate the real woman, and then you will know, Prov 31:26 !!!!!!!!!!!! Dont touch unless you hear and see ALL those attributes, and they are not man made either. So I guess that could then EXCLUDE tatoos IMHO.

LP has written some great posts to you, POB (I say laughing out extremely loud) he is so correct; but when POB has the wisdom to go with it, then GO for it (B) with everything you have, but with the knowledge that she is everything described in Prov 31. And remember V 3, because they are out there, you have proved that!! Your experience is a good 'wake up call' to all who post here. Many more will experience just what you have described!

And remember LP's words again, and they go something like this; 'We dont NEED them, they are nice to have around, but it is probably, the single greatest crux most MOB Blokes have'.

Best wishes
JL

[John LV]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Tatoos, posted by JohnL on Dec 14, 2002

Yes I know you are right, I fight with those thoughts everyday, I guess I'm a bit angry at God for allowing this to happen to me, all I ever asked for was a decent girl to be with, I never asked for a princess, I never asked for a beauty queen, just a warm caring girl who is willing to give love and receive love in return, a girl who I could be friends with, share life with, it seemed so right with Natasha, and I still cannot figure out what went wrong.

With all my other relationships, I knew what went wrong, but this time I don't, if anyone should have left and betrayed anyone, it should have been me to her since she never contributed to the relationship at all. Of course I could never do such a thing to another human being, it would be beyond my ability to even comprehend doing something like that to a girl.

Thank you for reminding me what I already know, it's good to be reminded from time to time, I will now go read those versus again, take care.

David

[JohnL]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Tatoos, posted by John LV on Dec 14, 2002

.......... because if you dont, you may never understand.

..............I guess I'm a bit angry at God for allowing this to happen to me,..?

It didnt just happen, you chose that road, ignoring all the advice which is free and written; and in every conceivable language and style so that all can understand, or at least be given the opportunity. But if it falls on desolate ground ....... you know the rest.

??.and I still cannot figure out what went wrong.? Again, II Cor 6:14.........

"Thank you for reminding me what I already know,....."  

Its called get up and go again, but with the written word in hand, and APPLIED, it will be like travelling with that double edged sword. But only when we commit ! Only then, and not before. I ought to know, I ain't got much skin left on my knees either, some landings have been very rough.

Get up and go Bro, cause with that help, Youll never look back ........ never.

Go for it!

JL

[WmGo]

... in response to Read read read & commit..., posted by JohnL on Dec 14, 2002

[This message has been edited by WmGo]

Hey John!

Good post mate! And also the one above.