About last night......

[MarkInTx]

... in response to Re: So, posted by Robert D on Jul 12, 2002

It's not an internet thing, actually.

FSU = Former Soviet Union

SOB = South of the Border

[Wayne1]

... in response to About last night......, posted by Mark H on Jul 11, 2002

Mark,

When you are single, at least you have hope for something better in the future.  When you are with a women like your ex-girlfriend, there is really no hope.  You know you are screwed and you better get used to it.

Wow...you have been to the FSU 5 times!!!

I certainly can see why.  I had one of the best times of my life over there.

I am not recruiting for the Latin board, but if you have been to the FSU so much, you might try going south for your next trip.  It will give you a little contrast, and a few good stories at the least.

If I was single again, I would visit the FSU, and Latin American both.  FSU for the blonde haired, blue eyed beauties, and Colombia for the dark haired, brown eyed wonders.

Good luck,
Wayne

[MarkInTx]

... in response to Re: About last night......, posted by Wayne1 on Jul 11, 2002


Wayne,

One thing about Mark H is that he speaks fluent Spanish!

I would say that for someone like Mark H... educated, intelligent, multi-lingual -- he should find a lady ANYWHERE but Abilene...

[Mark H]

... in response to And, one thing about Mark H, posted by MarkInTx on Jul 11, 2002

Now Mark, you know I'm from San Antonio and I dated latina's many many many times. I love latinas but I am more attracted to white women. It's just my preference. I wish I was attracted to latina's, I'd love to go to Peru or Venezuela! True, it is a waste that I speak such good spanish.

Mark H.

[Patrick]

... in response to And, one thing about Mark H, posted by MarkInTx on Jul 11, 2002

I'll be the first to admit that I know little about the FSU ladies, but from what I've read, it sounds like there's more women there into doing things like going to the opera, plays, etc. than in Latin America.  I like the Latin ladies for their fun-loving ways, but if I were a champaigne and caviar type guy instead of the beer and pretzel type that I am, I think the FSU might be better hunting grounds.

[MarkInTx]

... in response to I think it depends on what you want, posted by Patrick on Jul 11, 2002

I agree that you have hit the major difference I have seen.

Although, I never went to Colombia... I did go to Brazil, and I have dated Mexican women.

But there is a different style to the women...

The FSU women are more "classically" educated, and do enjoy things like opera, ballet, and museums.

That doesn't mean that they are champaign and caviar though...

I drink beer. Wine gives me a headache. Ukraine had beer flowling more freely than Vodka when I was there.

I don't think you need to be a champaigne kinda guy to head to the FSU.

But you are right that the women are more likely to have high education degrees, and will have probably been to more ballets than you have :-)

[Zink]

... in response to About last night......, posted by Mark H on Jul 11, 2002

Hey Mark,
Sorry to hear what happened. Not a stunning revelation though. I don't really have any advice for you. Hell you've been around the block as much or more than I have. The e-mail relationships do start to wear on a guy after a few years. The best letters I got are from RWs. That's why I've spent so much time there in the last 2 years. Lots of pretty faces and some heart as well.

But what I wanted to tell you is what my current RW girlfriend told me. She was grilling me about why I'm 28 and never been married. So I told her what had happened with my local girls. Nothing devastating, just enough small attitude problems that I knew they weren't forever. I don't have anything against North American girls, but some of them seem to have something against me. Anyhow, when she heard what I said she told me,"Canadian girls are crazy. They don't know what a good man is." And then she explained to me how a woman should treat a man. And as far as I can tell she honestly believes what she said. The Rw's I know aren't perfect, but they are willing to put some effort into a relationship. They're strong, tough women who want a man to take care of them and will take care of the man too. Who could ask for more?

It's easy to settle for the warm body that's with you right now instead of looking for more. But if you aren't happy with anything except that body... There's got to be a girl somewhere who's got more going for her than a pretty face. I guess I do have one little piece of advice for you. Don't settle unless you are happy. I know people who got married because they felt it was time, not because they were in love. It leads to messed up marriages, often with messed up children. Don't ruin your future wife's and/or children's lives by marrying someone unless you really want to be with that person!

[Mark H]

... in response to Re: About last night......, posted by Zink on Jul 11, 2002

Great wisdom from an obviously wise 28 year old! Good for you finding your girl.

I know all about FSU women, that is true. I guess the only advice I'm looking for is a good agency, one that I don't mind spending my money in. That is all, one with sincere girls. I think I may use KenC's recommended agency LTP.

Mark H.

[MarkInTx]

... in response to Re: Re: About last night......, posted by Mark H on Jul 11, 2002


Before you do that... you should read Squirecam's report in full.

And Bobby Orr.

Even Ken admits that LTP might not be what it once was...

I don't know one way or the other. I'm just saying that the two most recent reports have not been exactly stellar...

[Oscar]

... in response to Re: Re: About last night......, posted by Mark H on Jul 11, 2002

You need to be aware that the average age of the women at LTP is about 19-20 years old...  I've been there and although Ken I am sure found a lovely wife there, that was a while ago and many guys who have been there (myself included) feel that Tver has been pretty fished out.

[Mark H]

... in response to Mark-, posted by Oscar on Jul 11, 2002

Thanks for the info. I'll take it into consideration. They are pricey also. Do you really think a city could be "fished" out?

Mark H.

[BarryM]

... in response to Re: Mark-, posted by Mark H on Jul 11, 2002

There are 2 factors that make this a reality, one, the economy is getting much better in Russia, two, there seems to be less interest from RW in the major areas such as Moscow.

If you choose to go to Russia, you may want to consider Siberia, Vladivostok, or some of the other cities further away from the major economic regions. Russia seems to be getting fished out. I've been noticing this for the last 2 years.

Ukraine is still good hunting but I would be looking in some of the smaller cities rather that Kiev, Kharkov, etc. Moldova, Uzbekistan, Kazahkstan, Azerbaijan, Kyrgizstan and Latvia seem to be very good hunting grounds. Russians in all of these former Soviet republics want to leave. Finding the right girl is tough but I think you may find a better more unpretentious wife in an area a little off the beaten track. If you're looking for a high society gal, then stick to Moscow, although you may find an RW with the "princess syndrome" there.

I have had similar experiences with AW such as what you descibed with your latest girlfriend. It's the "me me me" syndrome. You're not being a jerk to dump her since she knows she has treated you with disrespect and inconsideration. She probably figures she is pretty enough that you will put up with it. After all, good women in our age group are scarce these days so they don't have to compete. Tell her she has to compete with Russian and Ukrainian women who have a much better attitude. You shouldn't have to compete with an ex-husband nor should you have to pay for her perception of his transgressions against her.

Just remember this, "Eager beats pretty every time". Tell her that

-blm

[Oscar]

... in response to Re: Mark-, posted by Mark H on Jul 11, 2002

Well, Tver is not a huge place, only about 200,000 I believe, but KenC would know that better as his wife is from there.
I will say again that LTP is in my opinion a legitimate agency.  But the girls for the most part are very young (there's a University there) and many of the girls I met there had been in the agency for a long time, like 2 to 4 years!  And when they have been in that long, they tend to get burned out.  They do often "recycle" women on their web site saying they are "new" profiles, yet I know some of these girls and met many of them and they have been there for a LONG time! LOL!
There was also a constant problem of no-shows for appointments.  Many of the guys who were there when I was complained about this.  Many of the women just had a very casual attitude about the whole thing (maybe these were the ones who were burned or were burning out).  Read the recent posts of the guy who just got back from there, he had plenty of no-shows.  I never found this in Kiev, Odessa or certainly Dnepropetrovsk.

As I have said before, I personally like their concept, going to an office and meeting and interviewing women there for the first meeting, because you can meet 6 women a day, but I think it would be better in a larger city, where the same girls are not so burned out.

Again, just my opinion/experience.

[KenC]

... in response to Re: Re: Mark-, posted by Oscar on Jul 11, 2002

Oscar/MarkH,
LTP has been around a long time and some of the "fished out" sentiment may be true.  I don't think that the younger age is a problem for Mark.  (Mark is a lot younger than us old farts, Oscar) LOL.  BTW, I believe that Tver is somewhat larger than you said, closer to 500,000.  I did not have any problems with no shows when I was there, but it has been a while too.  Once there, in Tver, Mark could also get the lay of the land and use the interpreters to meet the locals at any club.
KenC

[Oscar]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Mark-, posted by KenC on Jul 12, 2002

Yes, I did notice in his profile he is 38 (not like us old farts! LOL!) but a girl of 19 in my opinion is still just that, a girl.
He could try to meet some locals at clubs as you say and he could also try running an ad there I guess.. I just didn't like Tver that much, certainly didn't like all the no-shows.
I found my girl in Dnepro where I had a great time but I am sure there are some guys who have gone there who have had a lousy time too.. We all have our own experience and what seemed to work for each of us.. Some guys like the smaller towns some the larger, etc..

Oscar