US divorce statistics

[Pete E]

I read a while back that the US divorce rate is calculated by comparing the number of marriges with the number of divorces.This figure is something like 50%.BUT - - they came up with an explanation that significantly less than half of first marriges ended in divorce,but of the people who do divorce then tended to do it multiple times,affecting the overall statistic.
Of course this doesn't mean the rest are happy.Some are.Some just accept a less than desirable situation,some stay in awfull marriages.
I have seen no statistics on gringos marrying Colombians,but its probably better than the US divorce rate.

Pete

[valleydude]

... in response to US divorce statistics, posted by Pete E on Apr 16, 2004

My buddy who went this route a few years back says it was something like less than 2%. I remember him arguing his point that 5 out of 10 American marriages fail, while 2 out of a 100 with latins and asians married to Americans fail.

Unfortunately I can't remember where he found this,
but he always did his homework, and was usually armed with sources in any debate. Having a Master's in history; when someone looked astonished after debating him, he would say, "That's my job, I get paid to research".

Personally; I've seen these posts before and have been reluctant to mention this, because I can't remember the sources. However; this is as close to an answer that I got, so I'm finally throwing it out there. Sure it can be argued, but if it works for someone...
take it and run!

V-Dude

[Phoenix]

... in response to US divorce statistics, posted by Pete E on Apr 16, 2004

Probability of first marriage disruption by duration of marriage and wife’s race/ethnicity at 15 years: United States, 1995

Overall  43%
White    42%
Black    55%
Hispanic 42%
Asian    23%

Lesson:  Marry an Asian woman.  We are all on the wrong board.

Source:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/ad/ad323.pdf

[Pete E]

... in response to Re: US divorce statistics, posted by Phoenix on Apr 16, 2004

Thats probably mostly asians marrying asain women that are already in the US,so may not relate to a foriegn bride.Same with hispanic,those are mostly mexicans living in the US.Having lived around alot of mexicans who grew up in the US their divorce rate seemed similar to other americans.

Pete

[Phoenix]

... in response to Re: Re: US divorce statistics, posted by Pete E on Apr 17, 2004

Pete you are correct, however the relatively low divorce rate among Asians is impressive.

Asian women seem somewhat resistant to catching the dreaded "American woman disease".  Maybe I should find me a nice Chinese lady in the US and give up this Latina quest, which has only broken my heart and drained my bank account.

I met this nice Chinese waitress this week.  When I was at the register paying for dinner I joked with her about the Chinese Zodiac. I had always thought I was born in the year of the Tiger.  But actually I was born under the year of the Ox because the Chinese New Year doesn't begin on January 1 and I was born before the Year of the Tiger began.  She insisted that I was in fact a "Tiger" and so she left the register and went to the table where the paper Zodiac mat was.  I pointed out to her what the table mat said about the start of the Chinese New Year.  She read it aloud with her heavy accent and I politely helped her with her pronunciation. She was obviously foreign-born.  She conceded I was right after all. I told her that the Ox personality fit me better than the Tiger personality and as I was comparing the two I had her laughing.  She was cute enough, the right size and she had that sweetness thing going on. Oh my my my.

This woman could stop this Latina nonsense once and for all.

Chinese women, are they the "REAL Latinas"?

I haven't found any real Latinas in Latin America.  Just a bunch of hot-tempered money-grabbing "what have you done for my lately" females.

Oh yeah, I'm going back to get some General Tso's Chicken and her phone number.

[DallasSteve2]

... in response to Re: US divorce statistics, posted by Phoenix on Apr 17, 2004

I wonder why?

[Locii]

... in response to Re: US divorce statistics, posted by Phoenix on Apr 17, 2004

WHile I think you should pursue your Chinese waitress, I think your supposition that 'Asian women seem somewhat resistant to catching the dreaded "American woman disease"' is a bit....premature....delusional?  You pick the correct word, you get my point.

The dreaded "American woman disease" is merely socio-economics at work.  It has nothing to do with borders or even culture.  The US is the worlds financial and therefore power center and base, much to Osama Bin-Laden's dismay, and that is why we are the way we are.

Women have historically betterred the lives of their family through marriage to a "winner" man.  In the not so distant past, the selection of the man you married had an impressive connection to how long (or if) your children lived and what education they received.  The non-western world still functions that way.  Here, the general economic conditions as well as the plentitude of jobs for women has equalized us a great deal.

It just goes to show you the results of equalization...we resort to other, far less meaty reasons to marry and stay married.  You can see the results in the table above.

So much talk about marriage here.  Frankly I don't understand a lot of it.  Marriage is not what it was...and it probably never will be.  When the US system rewards a woman equally if not more for selecting divorce over staying in a marriage, it will get worse, not better.

For my part, even if I marry someone, I don't expect it will last terribly long.  And the reason the divorce occurs will seem largely imperceptible early on.  This has been repeated over and over in stories and anecdotes and now statistics here.  Why do so many here seem unable to want to beleive it?

Ciao

[Cali James]

... in response to Re: Re: US divorce statistics, posted by Locii on Apr 18, 2004

[This message has been edited by Cali James]

Socio-economics clearly plays a big role but you need to also factor in lifestyles and value systems.  For instance, I have several different groups of friends, one group I spend time with are very conservative Roman Catholics.  I don't know of a single divorce among this group but among my other groups, divorce is fairly common.  BTW, the wifes in the conservative Catholic group are doing really well economically.  

As far as Asians marrying gringos through MOB, I'm willing to bet a year's salary that the divorce rate is lower than gringos marrying Latinas through MOB.  If it were just socio-economics, I'd expect the new Asiasn wives to be divorcing at a similar rate to the new Latin or Russian wives.  Clearly, culture, lifestyle and value systems affect people attitudes and decisions.  To reduce everything to economics alone is an over simplification IMO.

[Kiltboy1]

... in response to Re: Re: US divorce statistics, posted by Locii on Apr 18, 2004

So what you are saying  is we should all just settle for a life of many different people in and out of our lives

Well, if that is the case, i need to think about moving to a "NON WESTERN" country, because even with all i have been goig through, i still believe that there are many good women that believe in the concept of marriage as i do.

We have a lot of work to do then if we are to give hope to our children that there can be that one special person for there life.

[Locii]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: US divorce statistics, posted by Kiltboy1 on Apr 18, 2004

Well, in response to your question...yes and no.  I stand by what I said.  But I was speaking in generalities; there are always specific cases which are quite different.

I do find your reference to 'good women' to be interesting.  I think that that concept is half of our problem.  American women aren't "bad" or "evil" (the inverse of good).  They have simply discovered that they don't need us.  Economic opportunity and equality has its downsides; that being role destruction.

I really, truly beleive that importing (what you would call a 'good') woman into the US system is to set in motion a sequence of events which, for arguments sake, will lead to a high problem rate.  If you believe in defying odds, go for it.  I think you know what I mean.

The upside that I see over the longterm is a kindof sad realization.  Virtually all of the 30ish+ americanized females I know are very unhappy (single or married).  It is like an epidemic.  I think a social pendulum swing is in place which will see a rewriting of our social roles for the betterment of everyone.  But that does not mean traditional roles.  In fact it probably means more neutral roles, with less divorce penalties.

As for me...I am planning to leave the US.  I honestly don't know how it will all work out, but I am quite over the US legal, social, and cultural situation at the moment.  But going toward the third world, or at least away from US, has a real appeal for me.

Ciao

[Cali James]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: US divorce statistics, posted by Locii on Apr 19, 2004

I don't know about others, but when I speak of "good girl", "bad girl" it's meant mainly in terms of intentions.  A guy marries a woman with bad intentions or one with heavily mixed intentions, I can almost guarantee that the marriage won't last beyond a couple of years.  You marry a good girl, i.e. a girl who loves you and whose intentions are sincere and my guess is that the marriage will last longer than the marriage to the bad girl.  This just seems like good ol' common sense to me.

[Kiltboy1]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: US divorce statistics, posted by Locii on Apr 19, 2004

If i did not have a 7 year old daughter that i love dearly, i would book a flight with ya--YOU COULD BANK ON IT !!

[surfscum]

... in response to Re: US divorce statistics, posted by Phoenix on Apr 17, 2004

NT

[Bueller]

... in response to Welcome to PL, Clay!!!!!                ..., posted by surfscum on Apr 17, 2004

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[Pete E]

... in response to PL-L now to be known as the "Whine ..., posted by Bueller on Apr 17, 2004

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