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Author Topic: Red Flags in the Stevie Wonder 500  (Read 3478 times)
Bueller
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« on: November 03, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

I'm really becoming amazed at all the recent horror stories. Lately Colombia is starting to sound as bad to me as the FSU. Of course, a lot of the good stories don't get emphasized because the happy couple rides off into the sunset and is rarely heard from again, but then a lot of the nightmare stories go untold because the men are too embarrassed to talk about them-- and my hat's off to those who do have the courage to speak up.

  A guy named Art O'Leary, an American ex-pat who was living in Sevastopol, Ukraine, and posting on the Russian board, used to say, "There are no red flags, with one exception: nice girls don't ask for money. If she does, don't give it to her, and get rid of her." While I've always agreed with the "Nice girls don't ask for money" part, I will say emphatically now that there is at least one other major red flag: She gives indications that her relationship/marriage to you is of secondary or terciary importance. And why can't we see this when we're involved with them? How do we get so blinded, so mesmerized?

 Example, one of many. No names here, you probably already know the situation: the guy's wife says she wants to go out at night without him. That isn't a red flag; that's more like the time Homer Simpson applied for credit to buy an RV and the red lights started flashing, and the buzzers and sirens started sounding, indicating just how bad a credit risk he was. A Latina who is in love with you would never suggest such a thing.
  Another example. The newly wedded wife *insists* upon going to visit relatives in another state before joining her new husband. Huh??? Time to cancel the plane ticket out of Cali, if we had any objectivity.  


 Maybe it's time to have another discussion about what all the other red flags are, but that's like the time Thomas Edison was asked what advice he would offer to young people. His retort: "Young people don't listen to advice." Neither do otherwise intelligent men who are under the spell of a pretty Latina.


Really, guys who should know better slamming their own fingers in a door: one, a very smart one, gets involved with a married woman while admitting he is breaking his own rules. He winds up bruised and bleeding. Another reconciles with the woman who stole thousands of dollars' worth of valuables on her way out and filed false abuse charges against him. Crossing my fingers here, he seems like a really nice guy...

  And how much of this is our own fault? How many of us are looking for a trophy instead of love? How many of us are too concerned about what our "Look what I caught!" webpage is going to look like when it's time to show off the new wife, or what the guys at the Elks lodge are going to think?  


 This is more of a rant than an organized line of thought, but should we come up with a list of "Ten Commandments", or "Five Ironclad Rules" for avoiding disasters? Maybe the first one would be, "Thou shalt leave thy novia's presence, take a cold shower, write down everything about your relationship as if it were for PL,  sleep on it, read it calmly the next morning, and listen to your gut." The second one could be, "Thou shalt obey thy gut, no exceptions."

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Celt
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« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Red Flags in the Stevie Wonder 500, posted by Bueller on Nov 3, 2002

There are also inverse, positive signals:

[1] A lack of interest or annoyance at expensive gifts.
[2] Always makes phone appointments and asks about your
   day, week, latest accomplishment.
[3] Remembers your likes and dislikes and steers you toward
   them...

It isn't really any different from life state-side.

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DallasSteve2
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« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Red Flags in the Stevie Wonder 500, posted by Bueller on Nov 3, 2002

My first rule (which I haven't broken) is:

Don't marry the girl in her country.  Bring her here on a K1 visa and spend some time together in your environment before you marry her.  This is important for at least 2 reasons:

1 - You probably haven't spent enough time together with her, and you should before you make that final decision.

2 - She hasn't spent any time here and away from her family, and she should before she makes that final decision.  

My fiancee called her mother this week and after crying on the phone she said she wanted to go home.  She calmed down and changed her mind 30 minutes later.  Coming to the US doesn't solve all these girls' problems and leaving your family behind is difficult for anyone.

This rule doesn't deal so much with red flags as what I view is common sense.  It hasn't saved me from being burned by a green card shark, but at least I had some fun while I was burning.  Beyond that, I'm not a good example for obeying red flags.

Steve

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LouieB
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« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Regla Numero Uno, posted by DallasSteve2 on Nov 4, 2002

I bet homesickness is the biggest issue in these relationships.  I have seen more than a couple posts on this board regarding relationships that last only a few months.  

besides simply bringing her to the US I think there needs to be some planning.  like enrolling in English classes immediately or some other courses to get her integrated socially in the US.

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Pete E
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« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to need a plan, posted by LouieB on Nov 4, 2002

Homesickness will happen.My theory is the closer the girl is with her family the worse it will be.Most of these girls have never lived away from their mothers and their family.Its an emotional separation reaction not unlike a young child would have.And they not only miss the family but their city,their friends and everything seems strange here.I think the best thing is to let them talk to the family on the phone alot(get calling cards)and hopefully there is a date not to far distant when they can visit.My wife went through this and was depressed for about 2 months.If there are any problems with the relationship then they really want to go back.If you get through the first few months it should be OK.
My wife has got to go back once a year and this year twice for a month,December/January and July/August.She started a new job but said if they don't let her take time off so she can go back Christmas,usually for a month,she will quit.

Pete

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H2Oh
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« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Red Flags in the Stevie Wonder 500, posted by Bueller on Nov 3, 2002

Well said!!! Remember it is always the actions not the words that determine the sincerity of a person. Look at what she does. Is it me, me, me or does she say we or you.

H2-Oh

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