A lady's wish list from match.com...Viva Colombia!

[robbysanjuan]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: unbelieveable, isn't..., posted by Keith Smith on May 26, 2002

Keith,
Obviously you are a selective reader and answer the questions to fit your mold.
1. I never mentioned Colombia, the guy we were discussing has a girl from Peru. I did not mention him by name or the country then to keep it anonymous. The first time it was brought up, it was a personal attack, yet the issue was good. I chose to bring it up in a RESPECTFUL way, and discuss it.
2. I am not trying to take anything away from you or anyone on this board. Where did you get that?
3. I never stereotyped anyone, just saying experiences what I and others have seen. That is part of a forum, discuss the good and the bad. That is how people learn, if you sit up here with your head up your butt and talk about how great Colombia is with out sharing ALL your experiences with others here, they will never get the full story to make a full rounded assesment. You nad BOB trashed me well, calling me an arrogant PR, had some choice comments about Miami Cubanas and Boricuas. Bob even gave a lesson on the Dominican race and pointed out is shortfalls compared to Colombia. Looks, education, personality, etc..Scary thinking and very sterotypical there BOB101.
4. What were you trying to say about not them letting you into the disco in PR? I am still lost and relevancy to that issue?
5. I know you are not the owner/moderator, that was put there for you to relect on your attitude towards others who offer "unpopular opinions" here, yet are very relevant.
6. I agree with Ted, and held that opinion myself. Way to much anger here towards women and AW in general. Straighten that out and then go to another country. What would a woman think of you when you tear up your own women from your country here? Many will think - you reap what you sow. The must be like that because of the men there. The women here are a lot like the woman elsewhere on this planet. They like money and security. Look at BOBs post, he throws out his vacation a month, six figure income, big house, etc....If that is not materialism, please show me what is, and what is the difference between a AW or a Colombiana, living in that house, driving your big car, spending your cash, and taking that vacation? Most here that trash AWs on the materialism issue, use it to go to Colombia and pick up women there. Why do I say that, if you throw that in some guys face in a forum, I can bet my dollar that you tell all those Colombianas about your nice $$$$ American stuff back in the safe U.S.A.
7. This is a general post in response to some guys issues/opinions here. This is not a general post to all. I believe that most guys here just want to find a good woman and share experiences in an OPEN forum, others have different ideas.

[Bob101]

... in response to Unbelievable! Long, posted by robbysanjuan on May 27, 2002

You are the one who gave the first response to me comparing yourself at 29, the gym etc...so I threw back my stuff...basically to point out to YOU that what makes you so sure at 29 you are more desireable to a woman than an older man? I don't tell the ladies what I have or how much I make in Colombia...What I have to offer in MY book is more than a younger man...experience AND security (as well as my charming good looks...lol!) That doesn't mean however...a younger woman will choose me over a younger man...

As far as experience goes...does that count for anything? Or just cheap talk here on the board? I' been to Colombia many times an was married to a Calena. I've also been to the DR 28 times in the last 2.5 years, and 6 times to Costa Rica (a 2 year relationship with a Tica who came here 6 mo. at a time on a Tourist Visa). What experience do you base your comments on?

Isn't everybody stereotyping Colombian women her to some degree? If you go to Colombia to perhaps learn first hand someday rather than spewing out nonsence...I'd be happy to introduce you to some rotten cheap women in Cali that LOOK like angels...Point? there not all good in Cali...heck...there'a at least 175 Casa's in Cali alone...that'a allot of hoes...

DR and Colombia are dramatically different in terms of women. That is based om MY experience of visiting both countries MANY times, and having had girlfriends in BOTH countries. Yes...I'm sure there are some very good wifey material in the DR...but nothing like in Colombia. At least in Colombia you can do direct Consular filing at the Embassy...but not in the DR...why? Because the INS does not trust the Dominicans...they do a separate investigation on each application in the DR, even after the preliminary approval is made here in the US for EITHER a K-1 or marriage application. So if that doesn't back up a little about what I've said about the DR people...you decide. In Colombia you can get married and basically have your wife back in the states with you in under two weeks!! In the DR it will be 8-12 months!

I'm not angry with American women...I'm just so happy I no longer have to chase down women who have such incredible expectations before you even say hello! But they can do it...why? There are so many guys after so few hot women...you know this!! All I did was post a ladies bio page because it made me laugh with joy...joy in knowing I would be in pu**y paradise in a few short weeks...thought other would find the humor in it...evidently, you have some issues with women...heck I love 'em...even AW...I'm just not putting the effort into getting a 6-6.5 overall women, jumping through flaming hoops...when less effort and better results can be had elsewhere for 8.5-9 overall...maybe you are angry because you can't go...or don't have the guts to chase after your dreamgirl...I don't know...

Anyway...enough is enough...you've dragged this out long enough...time to suck it up and admit you are here for the same reasons as MOST of us, aren't you? I'd have to guess 90+% of guys are here for info and help on better alternatives for women than AW, that's  what it's about here, nothing else...you knew what you were doing when you made your first post...you even said you'd probably rattle some cages...How about being a gentleman and letting this go...and contribute...I'm not angry with you or any one here...I'm here for insight and info, and to contribute...

[Keith Smith]

... in response to Unbelievable! Long, posted by robbysanjuan on May 27, 2002

Look, you wanted to start controversey. YOU GOT IT! As far as I'm concerned, this subject is over. Next issue...

[robbysanjuan]

... in response to Re: Unbelievable! Long, posted by Keith Smith on May 27, 2002

Keith,
I think I know why you could not get in to that disco......

[Keith Smith]

... in response to Re: Re: Unbelievable! Long, posted by robbysanjuan on May 28, 2002

It was a Friday night in August '93. I was trying to enter a club(in San Juan) called "Peggy Sue." I was wearing a custom made black and white linen suit with white shoes. These cats at the door wouldn't let me in because I "looked like a troublemaker." NOTE: they didn't tell me this in English. Tell me something, how do you turn away a tourist? Eventually, that club closed down. From what I heard, many tourists complained about that club with its policies (with the Puerto Rican Board of Tourism). If that was the case, IT SERVES THEM RIGHT! As far as I'm concerned, what those cats did to me was discriminatory. Later.

[robbysanjuan]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Unbelievable! Long, posted by Keith Smith on May 28, 2002

Keith,
Peggy Sue never closed down, in 1999 it became Egypto, same owners, same location, different theme. No one ever closed it down nor where any charges filed against it for discrimination. I lived about 2 miles from there in Barrio Obrero in Santurce. Great club, great people. Friday and Sat is a professional crowd, Sunday they have a beach party theme. I have a freind that bartends there, it has to be one of the most fun clubs on the island, also one of the longest running clubs in business. There is something more to this story Keith.......

[Keith Smith]

... in response to Peggy Sue? Discrimination? NOT!, posted by robbysanjuan on May 28, 2002

Remember, I haven't been there in nine years. Nevertheless, I was turned away. There's nothing more.

[Keith Smith]

... in response to Unbelievable! Long, posted by robbysanjuan on May 27, 2002

Look, you wanted to start controversey. YOU GOT IT! As far as I'm concerned, this subjcet is over. Next issue...

[yc]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: unbelieveable, isn't..., posted by Keith Smith on May 26, 2002

Hey Keith,

How is going man?  I am curious about your experiences in DR and Honduras.  Could you give me a brief rundown of them.  Thanks.

yc

You could email it to me if you like.  Thanks again.

[Keith Smith]

... in response to Experiences !!!, posted by yc on May 27, 2002

Hi YC. I have visited DR twice (in Aug. '96 and Aug. '98). I stayed in a town called Boca Chica (about 30 min. outside of Santo Domingo). Even though I liked DR, it has a great deal of poverty. I feel that DR has many attractive ladies, but I've noticed that quite a few of them have children. Maybe, I will pay another visit there in Aug. 2002. As for Honduras, I have been there three times (Nov. '96, July '97, and Nov. '97). I stayed in San Pedro Sula, but I visited Tela and La Ceiba (northern coast). As for the ladies, I feel as though many of them are not only attractive, but humble and appreciative. Unfortunately, I had a bad relationship with one female. When I first met her, I thought she was nice and humble. Eventually, she turned out to be something else. She was manipulative, ungrateful, physically abusive (she assualted me twice. I LIE TO YOU NOT, but I didn't retaliate), and a habitual liar. Eventually, I terminated the relationship. NOTE: she really didn't love me. She hoped to use me as a source of income ("I want you to give me $150.00 a month") and her ticket into the States ("If you don't marry me by Jan.'98, I can't get my residency to the U.S."). Needless to say, I haven't been back to Honduras since. Later.

[Keith Smith]

... in response to Re: Re: unbelieveable, isn't it.., posted by robbysanjuan on May 26, 2002

Forgive me, but what are you? An APOLOGIST FOR AW??? You're very quick to criticize Colombia and its women. But have you ever been there? If not, then you really don't have a say in the matter. I'm not gonna front, your tirade reeks of arrogance and ignorance. Bob101 simply did something apparently you didn't like: HE TOLD THE TRUTH. After the way I've been treated by many AW, I wouldn't want them, either. Regarding Puerto Rico, I've been there twice. It's a beautiful island, but it's the ONLY place I've ever been to in which I was denied admission into a nightclub (I was told that I "look like a troublemaker." I was wearing a suit and shoes). And furthermore, I would rather choose a Colombiana over a Boriqcua, ANY DAY OF THE WEEK. From my experience, I've noticed theat SOME PR females have the mentality of Miami Cubans; some of them think they're "special." One only thing, WHY ARE YOU HERE?

[Bob101]

... in response to Re: Re: unbelieveable, isn't it.., posted by robbysanjuan on May 26, 2002

The choice to post the contents of an AW's add was support for most here who are so tired of the BS of AW. It is affirmation and a little confirmation of what those of us here are striving so hard to find. It is not an easy process. So a little enlightenment and humor...which it was humorous to me and the intent of the post..

And what makes you so sure that you will rank higher as a choice at 29 than a man of 44, works out 4x's a week, 6'1", 228 lbs. (solid), full head of hair, self-employed, strong 6 figure income, ability to vacation 1 week a month, more experienced in life, etc., your assuming a woman of substance will only look at LOOKS at 20 something...I know plenty of guys (gym rats) who look like GQ, but are alone, while I'm with an AW hottie...Looks aren't the issue to guys here...

Who would want a PR woman, they are the same as AW, except more arrogant...in our culture it is tabu for an older guy to be with a younger woman...why? Because the older woman don't want the competition from the young chicks...woman ask me..."what can you possibly talk about or have in common with a 25 year old?" My response..."the exact same things I talk anout with you..." Their response...nothing. They say..."your old enough to be her father..." My response..."and...?" their response...nothing...when I'm making love to a woman of 20 - 25, I don't think..."oh...I need to stop...this doesn't feel right..."

If AW were so desirable...why aren't men around the world chomping at the bit to get an AW like the women from around the world are trying to get to AM? Because most single AW are overbearing princesses, spoiled rotten, overweight, controlling, as a percentage beauty wise...(my opinion) only about 20% of the women in this country would rate above a 7, if you marry one, you will be a slave to material possessions, try to leave because she becomes a fat abusive slob, and wonders why you aren't interested in her sexually, and you'll be stripped of your assets in divorce (not my experiences personally...but have many friends who have had this experience)...so why wouldn't I look to find a beautiful, young, educated, Latina...who in her culture...there is no negative stigma attached to dating an older man...THEY ARE NOT POSTING HERE, NOR IS THERE SUCH A BIG MOB ORDER FOR AMERICAN MEN...you say...that is all there is on the internet MOB for AM...! In fact, Colombia has the fewest agencies in comparison to Russia, Europe and Asian agencies. Have you actually ever been to Colombia...(we all know you haven't)...I've actually met very few Colombian women who want to leave, I'd rather live in Cali than in the US any day...If they find the right guy...they will marry and leave.

What has happened here is you are showing your apparent lack of maturity and reality. You have projected yourself here as an arrogant PR who spends a suffient amount of time in the mirror...if you feel you are so much better (note also...internet etiquite...don't type in all caps...it's percieved as ignorant and rude...like you are yelling) Why are YOU here. Men here are seeking love and appreciation. I can stay here and find an attractive 35 y.o. divorced, 2 kids, yeah she's hot...but why raise someone elses kids? They look at me...new Corvette Conv. 4k sq. ft. house, my lifestyle, and the dollars signs start rolling around in their eyes...point? I can have a gold-digger here, or a hot Latina who will love me the same...and more...for improving the quality of her life, as well as the beauty she possesses and the family values that AW no longer have. You should maybe look at YOURSELF and ask why YOU are here...why are you here at this board? And couldsomeone else educate this man as to why the Colombian women are not as interested in Colombian men as they are foreigners...I'm tired of typing...but I felt Roby needed a little input here...

[robbysanjuan]

... in response to Pompous..aren't you?, posted by Bob101 on May 26, 2002

The point of the post was in relation to someone back commenting here on someone's weight and their age. The weight and age were tremendously different from their future girl coming up from South America. That person was telling the other to be a realist, and many here jumped all over him for it. Tell me you don't see it here in the U.S.A. You see a young hottie with a fat, old bald guy, what do you think? GOLDDIGGER! Many women on this planet are the same, the want someone to take care of them most of the time. They number one way to do that is with money. As far as being an apologist for AW, no I am not. I don't have to be. There are many good ones, many bad ones, just like in Colombia, Panama, Japan, Russia or wherever. I just do not have to bash them on here. If the search is to look for a good Latin woman, that should be the point here, I never seen anything that you had to bash AWs to post. I am not being pompous neither, just making a point. I never really heard anyone saying anything here about trying to find a good woman, just where they can find the next Sofia Vergara. Many people here have taken the same attitude of an AW, and took it to look for a woman in Colombia. You are there for the looks primarily. As usual here, if you don't go with the majority here, everyone jumps all over you with childlike antics. That is why others and myself don't post, because if throw something out that is thought provoking, you get attacked. MCK had a good post about Colombianas coming here and being bored in the house all day, etc, etc, etc..Some good true info in there and you guys beat him up. Remember, what he said happened to JuanFan (Mike). I never stated I have been to Colombia nor am I going, nor do I wish to. It is just a personal choice. You slammed me pretty well on stuff I did not even say nor convey in my post. You have no right to call me an arrogant PR nor bad mouth the women there. I said that I take good care of myself, yet do not want a young 18-24 year old girl, that I never would have anything in common with. I never personally attacked you, nor your women. Just wanted to make a point, some of those points must have hit a raw nerve......"El cameron que se duerma, el correinete se lo lleva".

[Ted]

... in response to Re: Pompous..aren't you? NO!, posted by robbysanjuan on May 26, 2002

Amazing when you offer an opinion that goes against alot of what these guys believe to be true and they jump all over you. I think on some parts there is some validity, just that some of these guys are too intolerate to listen. Sometimes I wonder if they have some issues with women in general they need to work on before they can suceed with a women from any country. I've been so several parts of the world and I'll date any woman so long as she's pretty and has a good head on her shoulders. Doesn't matter if she's american or not.

[Cali vet]

... in response to Re: Pompous..aren't you? NO!, posted by robbysanjuan on May 26, 2002

Don't know why you'd compare Bob101 to a sleeping shrimp; seem's to me he's wide awake. Sounds like he can give you tit for tat, in fact it seems you two even have some things in common like a gloating materialism and narciscism. Anyway he clearly placed that post with humor to remind the rest of us why we're here. You on the other hand seem to have some issues you'd like to aire. One seems to to be a mans age and looks. You haven't been to Colombia. If you had you'd quickly realize that the emotional/inspirational "currency" there is quite different from that on the island of Puerto Rico and mainland USA. In Colombia a sincere man with a big heart is a lot more desirable to beautifull young women than a philanderer with good abs. Your example of junfan is a case in point. He was in his thirties, in decent physical condition, had stable employment in fact seems to have met all your criteria for success and look what happened. Could it be that there's more to it than simplistic materialism and narciscicsm? Turns out there is, valuable lesson. In fact since I began looking I have met many many happy Colombian/American couples and in every case there is a large age gap by US standards and the guy's physical beauty has played no part at all. What the hell were you thinking? You know what? One guy I met at Luz Amparo's agency in Cali complained that twenty year olds just wouldn't take him seriously because he was only in his late twenties. Know what I told him? Lie about your age! So what's your reason for being here? Looking for a latina? and from where?