Heading south soon, need advice!

[DFWGuy]

... in response to Luz Amparo?, posted by MarkInTx on Feb 15, 2002

I met my wife thru Luz. I made the mistake of going thru a Gringo here and paying a fee to basically get Luz's contact information. When I was there you could pay her daily rate by staying at her place at about $45 per day and you had a non-stop line of girls coming in and out and Luz herself is really great.

Gene

[Wayne]

... in response to Luz Amparo?, posted by MarkInTx on Feb 15, 2002

Latin Best is her company.  The website is the same letters.

Wayne

[El Diablo]

... in response to Re: Heading south soon, need advice!, posted by Wayne on Feb 15, 2002


I've been afraid to really say what I think but IMO you are correct  when you suggest there are elements of the agency scene in Cali that are a bit sleazy.  Maybe sleazy is strong but I think the image of matrimony, love and happily ever after only tell part of the story and the other part is cloaked in public but in private everyone knows about it.  It would be hypocritical of me to act all self righteous about it because I use the agencies, I've dated quite a few gals and in general I've been a part of the scene.  But the truth of the matter is if you hang around the agencies very long, what you begin to see is very different than some of the images people would like you to believe.  

For instance, the agency scene is heavily tapped into partying and casual sex.  It reminds me of that crazy show on FOX, Temptation Island and the agencies can be a big temptation believe me.  For a guy who lacks self control it's very easy to get side tracked into one night stands and quick relationships based only on chemistry.  Even guys who end up engaged will often have slept with quite a few Calenas before finally choosing one.  Now I'm not passing judgement because the agency scene,  is what it is.  It's not really surprising either, you put middle aged guys who like sex with 20 to 25 year old women who are liberated sexually and do so also and this is what will happen.  All of us who have been around Cali know this and while we might not admit the extent of it online, we always admit it in person.  

The point of my post is not to condemn any of this, as I said before it is what it is and I take responsibility for my part in it.  I guess what bugs me is the reasons I hear guys using for going South.  I think people are being truthful at one level but not at another.  So in not giving the whole picture, the complete story, the posts on why we go South seem self serving to me. We ridicule and make fun of AW for instance but from my perspective we are no different than them.  The AW is ridiculed because she wants a lot and she has high expectations.  I think a lot of guys feel frustrated by this and find that the woman he is interested in, is not interested in him and the ones that do are not attractive enough for him.  So what do we guys do, we go overseas to a place where more attractive looking women appreciate us more.  A lot of guys talk about Latin values but it doesn't take long to see what it is we value, its quite frankly youth and beauty first and everything else second. It looks to me like us guys are shopping around for the best deal in a way that looks very similar to AW.  

Anyway,  it seems like it might be fair to criticize our culture for being material and superficial but it would be wrong in my opinion to single out only the opposite sex.    

El Diablo

[Pete E]

... in response to Heading south soon, need advice!, posted by wanderer on Feb 14, 2002

A guy I know did the tour.I told him everything I told you.He said Ya,butI just want to experience it.Which is ok as long as you still have time and money for the more practical route,agencies.

Pete

[El Diablo]

... in response to Heading south soon, need advice!, posted by wanderer on Feb 14, 2002


Tours in my opinion are the absolute worst way to go.  They tend to be impersonal and costly although they might be OK for a guy who was perhaps a little unsure of this but wanted to check it out.    

I know that you mentioned Cali but you may want to consider Bogota also depending on your particular circumstances. Cali has some great beauties for sure but the women in the agencies tend to be quite a bit younger and in my opinion less serious than the women in the agencies of Bogota.  I have spent a lot of time in Cali and my opinion is that there are many great women in the agencies but to be fair there are a lot of women of questionable character also.  For a guy going to Cali for the first time, the attention of these beauties can be truly intoxicating.  I remember my first time there and while it was incredible experience, I was clearly not prepared to make any life commitment to someone I barely knew.

I read your profile and you're 45.  For a guy like yourself, your best bet is a woman in her 30's or late 20's.  A 45 year old man can go to Cali and return engaged to a 18 year old woman.  As incredible as that may seem, it's not only possible but probable if that is a guy's goal.  But is it practical?  Will it last?  My own view is that in 9 out 10 cases it won't last but it can be tempting.

El Diablo

[Wanderer]

... in response to Re: Heading south soon, need advice!, posted by El Diablo on Feb 14, 2002

Thanks for the advice about Bogota. Yes, it does seem incredible that a 45 year old man can come back engaged to an 18 year old, but this 45 year old man won't be going that route! 30 would be the youngest that I could imagine myself with and probably mid thirties would be more realistic in my mind, but I'll try to keep an open mind regarding age and maturity levels. Either way, I won't be making any lifetime commitment on my first trip! I would prefer to take it slow and get to know a person. Reading Hoda's posts and seeing the path he took seems to be the appropriate  and smart way to go for me. (other people may be in more of a rush, but I prefer to take my time when making life altering decisions)

[El Diablo]

... in response to Re: Re: Heading south soon, need advice!, posted by Wanderer on Feb 15, 2002

If you're serious about mid thirties than Bogota is a much better fit than Cali.  In the agencies of Cali, 35 is considered old.  The agency books are heavily weighted toward the early twenties with few women in the mid thirties.  When I was in Bogota, the reverse was true, large numbers of women in their thirties, much fewer women in their twenties.

I should warn you about Cali though and I'm speaking from experience, many a guy has started out looking at the books with the 30 year olds but before long, he's down there in the twenties or even teens. lol

Anyway, you'll know what I'm talking about if you go to Cali.  Good luck....

El Diablo

[Pete E]

... in response to Heading south soon, need advice!, posted by El Diablo on Feb 15, 2002

ED,
Your right about the lowereing of age targets once a guy gets to Cali.He might go in with his thinking of what is appropriate from here,but he is soon influenced by what seems appropriate there.It seems the longer a guy stays at the search the lower his age range goes.You and I know some guys like that ,right?I think Wanderer might very well  be looking alot at girls 25-30 before he is through.Thats totally acceptable for a 45 year old in Cali.And its not the same or as risky as 18-21,which he could do if he wanted.

Pete

[Wanderer]

... in response to Heading south soon, need advice!, posted by wanderer on Feb 14, 2002

Thanks to all of you who have taken the time to respond to my message. Based upon your recommendations and some additional thought, I'm going to pass on the TLC tour and will most likely wind up at all Colombian girls.

[Pete E]

... in response to Heading south soon, need advice!, posted by wanderer on Feb 14, 2002

The tours cost alot of money and are over fast.You have too many girls to deal with in a short time,some of whom just came out for the food and drinks.And you are going largely on looks without any sort of screening for compatability untill you talk to them.If your spanish is not good you have a problem here.I know they provide interpreters but how can they handle that many people at once.
Go to a good agency,(All colombian Girls gets lots of good reports)decide what you want in a woman(age,kids,wants kids,ect) and interview woman who are at least possibilities based on what you want.Its easy to get an interpreter at an agency.
Too bad you only have a week.Can you make that 9 days with two week ends included?If you meet someone you are really interested in,which is highly likely,you will want to go back soon.Save that $1000 the tour costs for your next trip.If you can't get more time off from work you could do a holiday weekend,or get the lady to meet you somewhere in between.Mexico,Costa Rica,San Andreas?That $1000 will buy alot more than a couple of parties.
Also,you might be able to work with Recardo to line ups some appointments before you head down so you don't lose a day or 2 getting started.

Pete

[Pete E]

... in response to Re: Heading south soon, need advice!, posted by Pete E on Feb 14, 2002

At a tour party because of the numbers of women you may wind up meeting the most aggresive ones,and they are probably the worst bets.

Pete

[Tai]

... in response to Re: Re: One more thought, posted by Pete E on Feb 14, 2002

I'll second that. Seemed like the nicest ladies were always against the wall watching the "frenzy", as the aggressive ones are swarming all over you trying to monopolize your time....or invite you to take them to the local discos.

Trying to get past the aggressive ones and over to the nice ones can seem like wading through quicksand...then next thing you know, the party is over.

-Tai

Torture is....seeing the woman of your dreams standing on the other side of the room, and then not being able to get through the crowd and over to her.  -Or worse...your progress gets impeded just long enough for another guy to get to her.

[Pete E]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: One more thought, posted by Tai on Feb 14, 2002

Tai,
Wow,I never did a tour,I was just talking from what I new of it,but I had immagined a possibility like that,maybe having to be almost rude to the ones trying to tie you up to talk to the one that looks so interesting.
Even with the huge numbers of women I would think it could be a little uncomfortable just ignoring the ones trying to talk to you and heading right for the more interseting,at least from first glance girl.
I thought the agency interview system was great.It was not the least bit uncomfortable for me.We were there to meet each other,And I choose girls that fit what I was looking for.My big issue was not wanting to have more kids as in start over with babies,and thats exactly what most of the women wanted,particularly the younger ones.So I wound up picking about 15 women out of a set of books with 600-800.
Because of my own age (56 at the time,2 years ago)I didn't interview anyone under 27 and I concentrated on 30 and over.My wife was 33 at the time with an 8 year old boy.
She's so sweet and so beautifull to me.There was a time I thought I might never have another woman like her.I look at her sleeping and she looks like an angel.But I digress.

Pete

[Tai]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: One more thought, posted by Pete E on Feb 14, 2002

Pete,

My first trip in Colombia was via a TLC tour, and it was quite an experience.

And you are right, in the group tour scenario you end up walking a tightrope...trying to get over to the ladies that catch your eye, while trying not to come off as "rude" to the ladies that don't interest you, who are constantly trying to coral you and tie you up for the evening.

Overall, the group tour was a fun/exciting experience, but going through a good agency is a better way to maximize your time/efforts.

Tai

[jim c]

... in response to Heading south soon, need advice!, posted by wanderer on Feb 14, 2002

Cut out the middle man. Latin Best or All Colombian Girls will give you a weeks service very cheaply.  LB was jammed during the holidays with guys from the TLC tour. After the party is over,the girls go home. And a lot of the guys went to Latin Best. You can get a weeks service for the price of a hotel room at the Dan Carlton. At least the agencies will know something about the girls you meet and the local situation in Cali. Use your week to meet some ladies and begin to understand the how to get around. Its a lot cheaper and you can tailor your appointments to your time constraints.  JIM C