Pre-nuptial

[madmal]

... in response to Re: Question to the Ladies, posted by Stephen on May 31, 2001

I'm in a net liabilities situation....so as opposed to taking all my possessions, can she take half my debt ?

Mal

[kevin]

... in response to Re: Question to the Ladies, posted by Stephen on May 31, 2001

A smart Filipina has the right to question a commitment when the issue of a prenup is bought up.  But a smart gold-digger knows how to play the "trust" card, and make the man that has feelings for her feel guilty about brining up such an issue, and he'll therefore be afraid to bring it up, not wanting to hurt the relationship (if he were to bring it up).  That's a strategic trap that, unfortunately with community property laws, is too easy to be successfully employed with impunity.  As far as I'm concerned, such a strategy manipulating how the law is written might as well be called legalized robbery/stealing.

I'll be darned if anybody is going to try to destroy me and take my trappings by sniveling her way into my heart.  When a man feels for a woman, that is when he is most vulnerable.

- Kevin

[humabdos]

... in response to Re: Re: Question to the Ladies, posted by kevin on Jun 1, 2001

n/t

[cc]

... in response to Re: Question to the Ladies, posted by Stephen on May 31, 2001

"I ask her to completely trust me and move halfway around the world....where she knows no one....and live here in this strange country."
You make it sound like a sacrifice where it really is a dream come true for most Filipinas! Of course, marriage is a risk which BOTH partners take, but why not separate the financial risk from the issue, especially when this is a risk that is very lop-sided, taken by only one of the partners? I must agree with Humabdos on this issue!

Of course, if the prenup says "in case of divorce you get nothing", that is very extreme and like someone else had mentioned, probably invalid in most States.

[Stephen]

... in response to Re: Re: Question to the Ladies, posted by cc on Jun 1, 2001

CC:

You make it sound like a sacrifice where it really is a dream come true for most Filipinas!

STEPHEN:

I think we over-do this "dream come true" stuff.  I think that a woman who would not have any fear about moving half way around the world to a nation that speaks a different language and where she knows no one IS CRAZY.

I expected Tess to have some fear in her about coming to America.  

She has no family over here.  Family is very important to a Filipana.

Okay.....Carrise....it's time for you to give your input on this matter.  DO FILIPINAS HAVE NO WORRY ABOUT GOING HALF-WAY AROUND THE WORLD FOR A YANKEE.  (I say that a smart one does.)

[cc]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Question to the Ladies, posted by Stephen on Jun 1, 2001

I myself went half way around the globe to build a future for myself in this Country and I dont regret it. Of course there are worries and homesickness and missing our friends, family, culture and all that. But it also is a great adventure and rich experience ;-)

[kevin]

... in response to Re: Re: Question to the Ladies, posted by cc on Jun 1, 2001

Perhaps the potential reasons for the divorce should be spelled out.  If she decides to have intimate relations with another man, then the husband should not be obligated to support her financially.  To have sexual relations with somebody else would be her choice, therefore (at least morally, but not necessarily legally speaking) the new lover ought to assume financial responsibility that concerns her.

If the man were to decide that he wanted a divorce, because he wanted legitimate sexual relations with a different woman, and if (I mean an "if", plus compensation for the pain) the wife is dependent on him financially, then the man should be financially obligated to his (ex)wife.  In such a scenario, it is he that broke the marriage covenant.

The bottom line is that the one who breaks the marriage should not be rewarded for it.  In todays society, in America anyway, it is too typical for a woman to go astray, but the husband is villified and suffers for it.  If there are kids involved, they too suffer in the long run.

On the Philippine side, I understand it is all too typical that the women tend to get the shaft when the husband decides to go astray.  At least this is what I've read and heard.  Pinoys may typically have less materially compared to Americans, but (from what I understand) if the husband has children with a mistress, the mistress and the children have claims against the wife's property.

Has anybody watched the movie, "The Flor Contemplacion Story"?  Well, to make a long story short, Flor Contemplacion was a Filipina wife and mother who went to Singapore to work as a domestic helper.  There was an accident in which a child drowned.  The enraged father killed Flor's friend, whom she was visiting.  But the blame was falsely placed on Flor, and she ultimately got the capital punishment.

Meanwhile, the point I'd like to make is that Flor was sacrificing for her family, given the circumstances.  She went to Singapore to work, so she could afford to put her children through school so that they might have a better life.  While she was away working, in less than desirable conditions, her husband had a mistress.  He was spending Flor's money on his lover.  In the movie, when Flor returned to the Philippines, she punched the mistress.  How should one expect her to feel?

- Kevin

[Jay]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Question to the Ladies, posted by kevin on Jun 1, 2001

Hi kevin,

Hope all is going well with you. I'm sorry to say, but it seem's to all except Filipino's, that Flor was guilty as hell. The police in Singapore (not known for being corrupt, but rather, one of the most honest police forces in the world), investigated the case thoroughly. Her story was full of holes, she changed it repeatedly, and all evidence including blood splatter's etc., pointed to her guilt.

I was in the PI at the time and I remember all the fuss over this. The only explanation of her innocence I ever heard from filipino's in person and in the media, was that a filipina is incapable of commiting such a crime,and since the father of the children killed was a rich chineese man, then of course he was setting up this poor Filipina. What a crock! No nationality is exempt from this kind of insanity. Incase you don't know, many Filipino's resent Chineese alot because of thier money, even though there is alot of mixed blood between the two culture's.

I have never met a Filipino that didn't adamatly deny that Flor was innocent, including my wife, and I suspect that hasn't changed. We don't even speak of the subject because we disagree strongly on it. I say the Filipino's don't KNOW she was innocent, and that all evidence (from what I heard),pointed to her guilt.

Did she really do it?? I have no earthly idea, no one does, but her, and she is gone so we will never know for sure. Pls. just don't assume she was innocent becuase every Filipino insists on it. Remember, some kid's died brutally and it takes from thier memory to say the wrong killler was put to death.

I'm not saying you said she was or wasn't guilty, you didn't. It's just that I expect alot of flak on this, so I'm just saying in advance that nobody really know's if she was guilty, but the evidence pointed toward's her guilt.

Btw, if I recall correctly (it's been a while), the kid's head's were busted open in the bathtub, not drowning. Was this by any chance a Filipino movie?

My wife just walked in from work and I got a dirty look after her reading this post, with no comment.

Jay "in the doghouse for the night again" S.

P.S.- I AM NOT saying that she was guilty, I am only stating my observation's at the time.

[Stephen]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Question to the Ladies (..., posted by Jay on Jun 1, 2001

Jay....

You have truly taken a brave stand on this issue.

We all pray for you and your home situation.

If you're still alive on Monday then post again.

Stephen

[Jay]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Question to the Ladi..., posted by Stephen on Jun 1, 2001

Hi Stephen,

I'll be o.k. with Criselda, I think. She is now laughing at me since she got home, because my gut's are churning in anticipation of the flack I might get for this. Of all the nice subject's I could have posted about, I had to pick this one!
My mistake, however, I stand by what I said. Nobody can tell me for sure that she was innocent.

I was just layed off recently myself as well, with a two week severence check. First time I've ever been escorted out of a place without being in trouble. Bad timing since we are saving to move to S. Florida, July 15, so we can see Dave's purple g-string in person. So, I guess I have time to post now. That is, if I don't get slaughtered on this one!

Some children died and they made the convicted killer a national hero and martyr(sp?), without really knowing what happened. That is what rankled me back then. I don't want to debate this whole issue again, as I went through it before with alot of folk's, but I'll just try to be brave.

Btw, I meant to say in my post that I never met a Filipino that didn't adamantly deny she was GUILTY.

Jay "standing bravely alone" S.

[Dave H2O]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Question to the ..., posted by Jay on Jun 1, 2001

Hi Jay,

Hurry up and move here. Maybe we can open a stand at the beach selling G-strings and San Miguel. It has certainly been hot lately. I know a doctor that uses a laser to remove unwanted hair, that that extends beyond women's bikini lines. He charges around $600 per session, more if they want a fancy design. Talk about a tough job. It almost makes me want to go to medical school. ;oD It is big business with all the Latinas and strippers here. I am trying to get him to teach me. We could open a hair removal shop and call it "Bushwackers." ;o)) Let me know what you think. ;o))

Dave H.

[nealtl]

... in response to Hurry Jay!, posted by Dave H2O on Jun 2, 2001

You would go broke with this business in the PI
tneal

[Dave H2O]

... in response to Re: Hurry Jay!, posted by nealtl on Jun 2, 2001

Hi tneal,

You are right about the PI. This phase 2 of my plan. I am going to export the removed  hair to the PI and figure out a way to glue it on Filipinas. I hear they would like to have hairy arms and legs. ;o)))

Dave H.

[kevin]

... in response to Hair Replacement, posted by Dave H2O on Jun 2, 2001

Please understand that Beavis & Butt-head's beard experiment didn't work very well.  They merely cut head hair, and attempted to transplant it on their chins using glue.  They looked even more goofy afterwards.

- Kevin

[Ray]

... in response to Hurry Jay!, posted by Dave H2O on Jun 2, 2001

ROTFLMAO!

Dave, have you discussed this plan with Marife yet? I think YOU are the one who's going to get whacked! Could be a "hairy" situation...:-)

Ray