What about Mexico?

[Patrick]

... in response to Re: Re: What about Mexico?, posted by Richard Smith on Aug 27, 2001

SOme newspapers have a personals section.  You just have to call them to find out.  There's many newspapers, just use any search engine to find them.

[Randy G]

... in response to Re: What about Mexico?, posted by Patrick on Aug 25, 2001

Patrick:

I think the men on this list tend to forget that there are many thousands of other 'success stories' out there than just the relatively insignificant number of men on this list.

What I mean by this is that there are relationships started everyday in Mexico and other Latin countries by American guys and Latinas. Men on vacation, retired men living in Latin America, students in Latin America, men working in Latin America, men on vacation studying Spanish in Latin America, and so on...

What I am getting at is I think this forum tends to have a narrow view of the possibilities of meeting Latinas. I really took notice of this when I stayed in Guadalajara. I noticed many American students, either college age, retired or men working in Mexico or just on vacation, starting relationships with beautiful, serious minded Latinas. It is going on all around us. There are thousands upon thousands of other success stories out there than just the few we read of on this forum. The overwhelming majority of these relationships are started without benefit of an agency.

What most men on this list do not know is just how easy it is to meet Latinas on their home turf, be it in a Mall, Church, Plaza, School, Bar, Restaurant, etc. It is simple and painless! Women of all classes go to the Beaches for Easter and around Christmas. The wealthier girls tend to stay at the higher end resorts, and the poorer girls tend to stay in the bungalows on the beach. They are all very friendly and approachable. Most of them like to meet Gringos, even if we do have a bit of a bad reputation.

Please don't take this post in a negative light. I just believe that there are all kinds of success stories that we never hear about, because the focus is on agencies and this forum.

Randy

[Patrick]

... in response to One other thing..., posted by Randy G on Aug 25, 2001

We're friends with several other gringo/latina couples.  One of them met his wife while he was living in Costa Rica, one met his wife in a junior college here in San Diego (she's the daughter of the lady from Costa Rica) and one met his wife at a party at our house (nothing to do with the agency).  Only one couple that we've befriended met through an agency, and we knew them simply because the man lived in San Diego and married through our agency.  The majority of gringo/latina marriages are indeed happening outside of agencies.

If most of the men here would get off their butts and study Spanish, they could make their search independent of any agency.  It takes a concerted effort over an extended period to learn it well, and I think you have to be interested in it to get good at it.  Guys doing it solely to find a woman probably aren't going to learn as well as those really interested in Spanish language and Latin culture.

[JUAN]

... in response to Agreed, posted by Patrick on Aug 25, 2001

Are started without the aid of agencies, I'm not just talking about gringo/latina couples.

There are lots of good women in this country, I don't know why so many guys on this board have quit on AW but there are good women here and if they're looking for a latina......they're here, the latin population in this country is enormous.

My only advice to the guys on this board is to broaden your horizons, if you are so into the belief that the only way you're going to find your dream girl is in another country you might miss 'the one' you could have gotten here.

[Patrick]

... in response to Patrick, the majority of relationships, posted by JUAN on Aug 25, 2001

The vast majority of married people met without any type of agency, whether it be international or domestic such as Great Expectations.  I think that's quite obvious to anyone.

You're right about being able to find a good woman here also.  There hasn't been much domestic woman bashing on this board in a while.  That's nice to see.  Some guys think all the problem is with American women when in reality, they're just draging the same baggage along with them into a relationship with a Latin woman.  However, I think that if a man is after a more conservative lady with strong family values, than Latin America has a greater prevalence of them.

[rafael]

... in response to One other thing..., posted by Randy G on Aug 25, 2001

People on this list tend to think that agency based marriages make up the majority of gringo/latina relationships. That is because this board is pretty much dedicated to agency users. There is nothing wrong with agencies but there are way more people that meet under more "normal" circumstances.

BTW, I remember when people here were getting ripped apart for discussing meeting Latinas under "social" settings such as the Mall.

Now a few weeks later people are talking about a great new agency in Cali, run by Ricardo! Ricardo, goes to the mall to recruit his members! LOL! I don't know how things got twisted around to where "nice girls wouldn't dream of meeting a man in the mall" kind of stuff, but it is obviously unfounded.

In fact as Patrick has said repeatedly the more "traditional" women of Mexico would not feel comfortable joining an agency.

[Hamlet]

... in response to What about Mexico?, posted by Randy G on Aug 24, 2001

Randy,

I have learned many of the things you discussed about Mexican culture recently from a Chicano friend.  Consequently, it has enriched my knowledge of the Latino world.  Your question about the reason Mexico is not considered more by those seeking a foreign wife is a good one.  Could part of the reason be the perception that middle-class Mexicanas are more apt to have values similar to Americanas?

By the way, I would not be concerned about the personal attacks made against you in this thread.  I have read the postings here and yours are very informative and valuable.

Hamlet

[JUAN]

... in response to What about Mexico?, posted by Randy G on Aug 24, 2001

"I think that most men on this forum have the STEREOTYPES of Mexicans we have developed here in the USA from living among the Chicano culture."

To me that sounds like you were making a broad generalization on a large, VERY large group of people, a negative generalization.

Yes, I'm aware of the definition of 'cholo' and  'chola' and the types of people it's used to describe as it is not a word that is used exclusively in Mexico, the reason I bought it up was because last time I bothered to drop by this board you had a post up, in it you made a statement that included "cholas and cholos in the US" when making your point as if all or most of the Mexican or Mexican-American population in the US could fall under that category.

I have many Mexican friends, both recent arrivals and Mexican that were born, raised and educated here and they can't be described as Cholos.

Every ethnic/racial group has its bad seeds, these people are in the minority in any ethnic group (unless you think there is an ethnic group where most of the people are bad)  when you start taking the negative and use it to paint a large picture on the whole group that is racist.

Maybe you're not a racist, maybe you're an elitist, I'm not sure.

[rafael]

... in response to Randy G, posted by JUAN on Aug 25, 2001

You make some good points. I live in San Antonio where there is a large base of Mexicans and Mexican Americans. Rarely do  I see a Cholo. If I am downtown in a bad neighborhood maybe, but on average, just friendly people.

If somebody from another country was dropped into the middle of a trailer park, bad neighborhood, or Jerry Springer show, their perception of White America might not be so good either.

There are good and bad in every country and every city.
Economics sometimes has something to do with it, but I have met many poor people that were very classy and many "upper class" people that had zero.

[JUAN]

... in response to Re: Randy G, posted by rafael on Aug 25, 2001

Steroyping an entire population is ignorance at it's highest level.

We have to look at people as INDIVIDUALS because no two people are exactly alike.

Stereotyping= IGNORANCE

[Randy G]

... in response to Thank you, posted by JUAN on Aug 25, 2001

I am glad we agree on this. But I would go a step further.

ethnocentricity + stereotyping = ignorance

At least I had the courage to admit I was wrong about the Mexican population when I visited my fiancees hometown, where the majority of the population were fair skinned/blond hair/green or blue eyes. Up until this point, I was like the great majority of Americans who believed most Mexicans were Meztizo or of pure Indigenous Amer-Indian descent. Like I said, I learned from what I saw and stood corrected.

Randy

[A1A]

... in response to What about Mexico?, posted by Randy G on Aug 24, 2001

The women of mexico are beautiful.  In Cancun I met women from other parts of mexico.  Cancun is only 30 years old so anyone there over 20 is essentially from another city.  The most beautiful women I met were from Mexico City (2), two others from Vera Cruz, and the one I was interested in was from Monterray (sp?).  For my next trip, I'm still undecided, Cali, Bogata, or maybe Gualadajara.  Tough decision.
A1A

[rafael]

... in response to I agree, posted by A1A on Aug 25, 2001

There are certainly many very beautiful women there! I was there for a week at a trade show and many bigger companies hire models to do demos or hand out brochures. Talk about distracting! Many were incredible. It also seems that in Mexico city if a woman has met you ever so briefly, they will then always greet you with a kiss on the cheek.

[Randy G]

... in response to Mexico City, posted by rafael on Aug 25, 2001

Ralph:

My fiancee, Gloria, used to model in Guadalajara. She made quite a nice living off of those trade shows and had plenty of free time to do family things (take care of her father, babysit, etc). She studied Administration in college, and worked for a Mexican company in California for awhile, then upon returning, she followed her friends and families advice to Model. She misses it now that she is back in the daily grind at the Hospital.
I went to see her quite often at the Expo in GDL, and I admit it was tough walking around with blinders on. The amount of beauty at these trade shows is, IMO, unparalleled anywhere. There were girls mostly from Mexico, but also Colombianas, Cubanas (prized for their curves, I guess) and others. Quite a cross section of differant looks and ages. If my single friends come to visit GDL, I will definately take them to an Expo Trade Show, as they need not look any further.

Randy

[JUAN]

... in response to What about Mexico?, posted by Randy G on Aug 24, 2001

Would they be the Mexican Elite?

I'll have to take your word that the 'chicano' culture that exists in the US does not exist in the interior of Mexico but that could be because maybe, just maybe the 'chicano' culture belongs to Mexican-AMERICANS not Mexicans born and raised in Mexico.

I told you this before,  Mexico is a HUGE country, similar to the US, with different regions, ethnic mixes and customs.

Do the people in Indiana have the same lifestyle as those in New York? Do people living in New York have the same lifestyle as people living in Miami, Florida?

When I was 18 I saw the most beautiful girl I have ever seen, she was Mexican, she was working in a factory so she must have fit under the 'chola' category you put them under, anyway I live in NYC (there are women from all over the world here) and consider myself to have impeccable taste in women so when I make a statement like that it says a lot.

Randy G, I've read your posts on Mexico before, the thing that surprises me the most is that you even went to Mexico considering you have such blatantly racist stereotypes about Mexicans living in the US.