Mexicana's should not be overlooked...

[DallasSteve]

... in response to What?, posted by JunFan68 on Jul 13, 2001

I was in a hurry when I wrote that, but that's no excuse.  A native Texan shouldn't make that kind of mistake.  

I still believe the rest of my point applies to Texas as well.  If this was still a part of Mexico, the Mexicans would want to leave it behind also to live in the USA.  It's not the land or the people, it's our principles, values, system of government, etc. that make this a great economy and a great country.

Steve

[Jeff S]

... in response to Re: One thing about Southern Cal and nat..., posted by ariechert on Jul 13, 2001

My point was that speaking no English while living in the USA is a handicap. Try getting a decent job without it.
-- Jeff S

[Houndog]

... in response to Re: Re: One thing about Southern Cal and..., posted by Jeff S on Jul 13, 2001

And one of the very reasons I come out Strongly for the women learning English..and not using broken spanish spoken by most gringo's as a crutch...which in truth is a hinderence in the big picture and long haul...leaving the women somewhat trapped in a small fraction of the scope of societal interaction.

HD

[Houndog]

... in response to more info = good!, posted by bret on Jul 12, 2001

^^any expansion of the range of countries discussed here is a big plus, rather than limiting it to just one or two.^^^

Geee...you just dissed Casta Rico below......make up your mind...

HD

[bret]

... in response to Re: more info = good!, posted by Houndog on Jul 12, 2001

no man,

i didn't diss costa rica. i just offered a personal opinion based on my own experiences.

i recall saying some good things and then balancing that with a comment about how i do not feel like it would be a good country to find a wife if one is on a limited schedule of any kind.

commenting on the good and bad about various countries IS an expansion of the range of countries discussed, as no country could ever be all good or all bad. everywhere is a little bit of both.

[Jeff S]

... in response to more info = good!, posted by bret on Jul 12, 2001

I spent a week in Guadalahara, Jalisco earlier this year and for the first time was there and living like a Mexican staying with a Mexican family (as opposed to traveling there as a tourista or business person.) It's quite inexpensive by US standards but higher than most central Mexico cities except perhaps Mexico City and Queretero. There's fabulous food, nearby Lake Chapala for outdoor recreation and all the benefits of a modern city with the associated night life, great resturaunts, cultural events, etc. etc. It's a couple hour drive to the beach (in Nayarit) and probably only three hours to Puerto Vallarta (also in Jalisco.) As for good looking, well dressed and made up, very feminine but conservative women, they're everywhere. I'm a middle aged, graying gringo with a few pounds too many around the middle, and I have no trouble finding dance partners. (I'm married, though so that was it.) I NEVER once felt even slightly unsafe and was ALWAYS treated exceptionally well by everyone. People went out of their way to be polite and friendly.
-- Jeff S.

[bret]

... in response to Re: more info = good!, posted by Jeff S on Jul 12, 2001

n/t

[rick13]

... in response to Re: "Armani " not just for gri..., posted by Houndog on Jul 12, 2001

Houndog, I was not talking about you, so why are you so defensive? I for one think you were more realistic than most in your choice of a wife and had much more sincere intentions. But if you read the boards you will see many men asking about age,looks,the economy,the "despration factor". What are their intentions.Am I making this up??

Many want to go just because the women they get there,are prettier and younger than anything they can get here or in any other latin country due to economy. Is that the only criteria for a wife? I hope not. There are really great omen there who I doubt would have much respect for men who see them as a trophy.

             It is equivelent to Aw saying the will travel to another country for a man because she can get a younger and richer than a man they can get in the U.S. That is too shallow. What happened to charecter,chemistry,compatibility? It is thrown out the window for a beautifu face and sexy body.
 

And though I have not travelled to Columbia, I have been traveling to Latin countries since the age of 15(family vacation to costa Rica) Venezuela, Brazil, Puerto Rico. The women there have much more to offer than looks. If the some of the guys here want to be taken seriously in their search( there are some good,solid men here also),stop behaving like 6th graders who can only see the outer parts of a woman.

[ariechert]

... in response to Re: Re: "Armani " not just for..., posted by rick13 on Jul 12, 2001

"But if you read the boards you will see many men asking about age,looks,the economy,the "despration factor". What are their intentions."

Another reason many men may go to a Latin Country is that they love big brown eyes, black or dark brown hair, and a woman with a "Spanish" accent.  I absolutely love a woman with a latina accent.  Not to mention I love latin music, and Mexican and Cuban food.  I like to dance the rhumba, cha-cha, merengue (sp?), and mambo.  Also latin people seem to have such outgoing vivacious personalities, which I find fun and refreshing, compared to proper "British" or "German" people that I was raised around. - Art

[Jeff S]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: "Armani " not just..., posted by ariechert on Jul 13, 2001

.. many Latinos and Latinas don't hide their emotions like we Northern European derived people. Most that I know are quick to laugh, cry, sing, get embarrassed, angry, or any other emotional response, more easily than gringos. You sure know where you stand all the time!
-- Jeff S.

[JUAN]

... in response to Mexicana's should not be overlooked..., posted by Randy G on Jul 12, 2001

Only rich Mexicans are real  Mexicans? Only the lifestyle that rich  Mexicans lead is indicative of true Mexican Culture? Lucky you, you got to hang out with and be around the Mexican elite, unfortunately, most Mexicans don't live like that,  it doesn't make them any  less Mexican.

Is the  lifestyle of someone from California the same as someone from Indiana, Arkansas or Utah? Is the lifestyle of someone from New York the same as for someone from Texas? And even within every state there are sub-cultures, in New York City we have the hip hop culture while in the very same city we have Wall Street-types that listen to rock or country, does that make them any less American?

I hope you realize that in most LA countries using the term  "Indio" or "India" when reffering to someone is as racist as someone using the N word in this country when reffering to a black person.

[FredFresno]

... in response to I don't understand your  logic, posted by JUAN on Jul 12, 2001

I suggest that you check out this link:

http://www.fresnobee.com/man/projects/season/index.html

The migrant workers described in that excellent story struggle, often very admirably, against a hard life.  However, the story makes it clear that many individuals among them have their faults.  One might say the same of the "Okies" who did that work before them and whose descendents--or at least the less ambitious of them--still live in this area.  Having empathy for the working class is one thing.  However, choosing to spend your life with a woman who neither has nor cares about an education in preference to one who has a university education is something else.  If that's what a person has to do to prove they're not elitist, then I'm elitist.

[Houndog]

... in response to Elitism... a reality check, posted by FredFresno on Jul 12, 2001

^^^spend your life with a woman who ""neither has nor cares about an education"" in preference to one who has a university education is something else^^^

Care to explain how you could possibly know that poor people don't care about an education Thanks .

BTW..you do realize I hope that an education doesn't neccesarily erase IGNORANCE.

HD

[DallasSteve]

... in response to Re: Elitism... a reality check..oh reall..., posted by Houndog on Jul 13, 2001

Malandro

Reincarnated again!  Where are you getting all these email addresses from?

Steve

[JUAN]

... in response to Bienvenidos Malandro otra vez!, posted by DallasSteve on Jul 13, 2001

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