David, you'd better forget revenge

[Mike]

You will only cause yourself and prolong you hurt by seeking out revenge on your X. She has been here long enough to stay and that is a fact! Go do a search and see if you can find one man that sent his wife back to Russia when she wanted to stay here. I bet you don't find one case. David, if you want her to leave the country you had better have proof that she committed a very bad crime, and that means something more then just your word! (selling drugs, robbing banks, stealing from the government---). At this point anything you do will instantly be looked at by the INS as just a heart broken man wanting revenge and they will ignor it. She has been here long enough to stay and there's nothing you can do about it. I knew one guy that was so angry that he told the INS that he married his wife only to get her a green card and it was all a fake marriage! Needless to say nothing was done about it because they knew he was just hurt and out for revenge. If anything the idiot is lucky they didn't fine him for many thousands of dollars.

Mike

[John LV]

... in response to David, you'd better forget revenge, posted by Mike on Dec 15, 2002

I can't do that Mike, "the only way evil can get away with it's evil is for good people to do nothing"

I refuse to do that, no human being has ever done anything like this to me before, and no other human being have I ever treated so well.

I'm building a case against Natasha that the INS cannot refuse, and even if they do, the police won't.

I do believe filing a false police report is a felony, and if so, she will have to leave based upon that alone. I have her tape recorded admiting to filing a false spousal abuse report against me, and I have many other proofs to her character as well.

She is nailed to the wall and doesn't even know it yet, I guess I will be the first successful man then to successfully send their illegal wife home.

I'll keep you updated.

David

[JohnL]

... in response to Re: David, you'd better forget revenge, posted by John LV on Dec 15, 2002

........ever go to Belarus looking for a woman? Even to Minsk or the capital?

I look forward to your reply.

Best wishes
John

[John LV]

... in response to David, did you  ......, posted by JohnL on Dec 15, 2002

No I have never been anywhere except for Prague, been there twice, but that is all. But I have noticed that some really beautiful girls are from Minsk, I mean those type of girls I really am attracted to, I just like the way they look.

Have you been to Minsk? If so, what's it like there, should I go there and check it out?

David

[greg2]

... in response to Re: David, you'd better forget revenge, posted by John LV on Dec 15, 2002

SPEND ................. for your satisfaction?

Because to do this right it will cost.

[John LV]

... in response to how much you willing to , posted by greg2 on Dec 15, 2002

I'm listening, could you be more specific?

[greg2]

... in response to Re: how much you willing to , posted by John LV on Dec 15, 2002

David,

All I am trying to say is that this experience is going to get a lot more expensive and you had better be ready to fund it. Is it worth it?

[John LV]

... in response to Re: Re: how much you willing to , posted by greg2 on Dec 16, 2002

To be honest, no I don't think it's worth it. I used to hate AW, but now I can see that AW are not so bad after all. I have more in common with them, they know about paying bills, they know about budgets, they know how to run a relationship, not depending on the man for everything, expecting him to do everything in the relationship, etc.

You don't need to sign an I-864 and be responsible for them for 10 years, you don't have to wait 6-12 months to get her over here, or spend thousands of dollars on telephone bills, or teach them how to drive. Do you know when Natasha got here, she didn't even know how to turn the steering wheel to make the vehicle go left or right. Can you believe that, you probably think I'm joking, but I'm not. Additionally, she didn't know why those red lights on the back of a car light up from time to time. I said to her, Natasha, you're joking right? Natasha honey, those are brake lights, and I'm thinking to myself, "my word, what else doesn't she know?".

There are so many little stories like that I cannot begin to describe them, things you would never think of. I was more like a Father to her than a husband, she was like a little kid, and you would think she would be grateful for me doing all the things I did for her? Heck no, she took everything I did for her for complete granted.

Believe me when I tell you I went to the FSU to get a quality girl who would be much better than an AW, but instead I got a girl who was 50 times worse than any AW I've ever met or gone out with, and that is a fact.

When I turn 50, perhaps then I'll go to Russia and grab a hot 25 year old, but at 35 I can still attract a nice 25 year old AW who I could relate a lot better to and have a decent relationship with.

But the idea of moving to the FSU for awhile and checking out the local girls there for awhile has a great deal of appeal to it for me, plus I want to start an import/export business from over there, while I was there I noticed many things that we have that they could use, and many things they have that we could use, so I believe an import/export business could do very well.

Anyway, I was living a fantasy, thinking that somehow someway these FSU girls were better, and that you could find one that when you brought her over here, she would be thankful, grateful, and loyal. Ha ha ha ha, boy was I wrong, just the exact opposite.

But don't tell the guys with there own marriage websites that, oh no, an FSU woman is the answer to all your dreams. Yeah right, maybe if your 50 or older, but not for me.

Take care buddy, and good luck with your AW, I hope things work out for you.

David

[thesearch]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: how much you willing to , posted by John LV on Dec 16, 2002

David,

It is not that FSU women are bad. It is that you picked a bad one. Get it?

So do not generalize.

Take care

[Dan]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: how much you willing to , posted by John LV on Dec 16, 2002

It's got everything to do with your mental health. You're wacko - and not smart enough to seek a solution.

Nothing anyone says here is going to help you. Take your arrogant bigoted agenda and inflict yourself on some other unsuspecting crowd that will tolerate your bellicose diatribe for a time. You're spent here.

- Dan

[John LV]

... in response to Your Problem's Got Nothing to Do With Ag..., posted by Dan on Dec 16, 2002

Dan, if I didn't know any better, I would think you were angry with me?

Come on ole buddy, stop pretending, you know you love me.

David

[Mike]

... in response to Re: David, you'd better forget revenge, posted by John LV on Dec 15, 2002

I don't know that that will be good enough, any lawyer can represent her and say: because of the abuse, and the fact that she wanted to try to make your marriage work is why she said such thing, or another approach could be she decided to tell this to others just to not look so stupid for staying with an abusive husband, or she can say you told her to start telling everyone that it was false, or she can say you made her make the recording or else you would be abusive even more! The point is that lawyers can make excuses, or describe things be them false or true. Then she can always appeal any negitive outcome, drag it through the court system ask for appeals, or even waivers to stay if she has to. A half way decent lawyer would look at this as easy money. Just letting the judge know that he plans to make this a long procedure and this is all being created by a man that is "then he describe you in many different lights" and when he's finished letting them know they plan to make this a long fight the judge will soon realize this will use up a lot of the courts time which would/could cause them to have these charges dropped or reduced, he can request the court prove the tape is her voice which requirs an expert witness, there's a lot of things he can use to lower these charges. After all that crap is over she can say she never understood anything that happened because of her English, I can go all day with stuff like that. You're kicking a dead horse. Take this one on the chin and go stay in Ukrain for a while find some arm candy, what ever, the main thing is to move on quickly with life in any way that will make you happy again. Revenge doesn't do anything but keep hate in your heart, and some times it backfires on you!

Mike

[John LV]

... in response to I'm not against you, just a bad idea, posted by Mike on Dec 15, 2002

I have to admit, your advice seems very good, the only thing you have overlooked is the fact that Natasha doesn't have any money to hire a lawyer, so I don't believe she will be able to get one. And although I like the arm candy idea, I just can't bare to think that this girl will get away with this, this should be so illegal and should be stopped, if she is allowed to get away with this, all it will do is keep the door open for other girls to do it as well.

If the INS is so concerned about marriages being real, then they should also be concerned with girls getting married for the wrong reasons. I can prove she is a liar, I can prove she has cheated on me while being married, I can prove the recording of here admitting to filing a false report with the police is her, even her previous boyfriend can testify that she indicated to him that her bruises on her arms were from moving boxes, of which he was very skeptical because the bruises were on the from and back of both her arms.

Mike, I really do appreciate the advice, and in the back of mind mine, I know you are right, but this girl has done something so bad I don't know if I can live with it. If I can nail her, I can stop her from destroying countless other guys life's as well. She simply should not be able to get away with what she has done, you can't just mess with people like that, you can't just treat people like that, and if you do, you better be willing to pay the price for it.

I don't know who she thinks she is, but she has messed with the wrong guy, she should be very very thankful that she hasn't done this to me when I was 25 or so, for if she had, I would be in jail right now and she would still be trying to recover in the hospital, needing new teeth implants.

I will go over the head of the INS officer who will be in charge of our case assuming he/she does nothing about this, if they let her get away with this, I will be so pissed off I cannot begin to describe it, and they can take the I-864 and shove it right where the sun don't shine.

David

[Mike]

... in response to Re: I'm not against you, just a bad idea, posted by John LV on Dec 15, 2002

David,
many have said the I-864 is full of holes and is more of a scare tactic then anything else. Think about it, if you get a divorce how in the world can you have any control over her, therefor you can't be held responsable.

The INS receives about 50 million (ok maybe less)letters from guys wanting their wife deported for what ever reasons, they see everything from proof of tax evasion to false abuse reports and countless other daggers and basically they don't care, they have too much to do already and don't have the means or desires to do some detailed research, court fights, and so just because the guy got burned. They see it every day and they see it as the guys fault for marrying her in the first place, and sense she has been here for a while now they know by the time it's over she will have another case with them showing that she has became a part of our society, and blah blah blah. Dude I've been hurt and felt like it would never go away and dang if I didn't find a new girl and laugh at myself for being so consumed before. GO GET SOME NEW MEAT !

Mike

[John LV]

... in response to Re: Re: I'm not against you, just a bad ..., posted by Mike on Dec 15, 2002

Mike, your a very cool guy, and your fairly close to my age, thanks for the dialogue.

May I ask you? You have a girl from Moscow? Natasha was also from Moscow. How is your marriage going? How long have you been married?

You mentioned Ukraine, have you been there and if so, how many girls to guys are there? Does an American have a clear advantage? Is it easier to score a girl there than here in the USA?

And what about Moscow? Would it be easy to meet a girl there? I have only been to Prague, I did in fact like it there, and I'm seriously considering moving there, but the girl situation isn't all that great, although adequate I guess.

What is your opinion on this?

Thanks in advance,

David