Another Child Question

[Del]

... in response to Re: Oscar, here is the material you seem..., posted by Oscar on Jun 13, 2002

Oscar,
First, you state that "But for a woman in Russia or Ukraine, it is no longer required to have a letter of permission from the ex-husband if the wife has sole custody of the child.".
Now I understand that you are saying that the US Embassy does not require this if I understand you correctly, however, I was told by the Canadian Embassy that the Ukraine laws DO require it.
If in fact the Ukraine laws require a 'letter' prior to a custodial parent removing a minor from the country (as many countries do), and a minor is removed without such a letter, then, under the Hague Convention, an action may be started to rectify the situation. And, if you will read the US State Department site you will see that the State Department will act upon any 'complaint' and treat it as a 'child abduction'.
My point is that just because the US Embassy does not require it for the issuance of a visa, it is misguided (in my own opinion) to "promote" anyone from doing this. If the left-behind parent were to make a complaint, it would be treated as a 'child abduction' and could cause serious problems.
Moreover, I am advised that it is not a huge task to obtain a Court Order, especially if there is not monthly support payments and there is little or no contact between the minor and the 'other' parent. And, I am furhter led to believe this is exactly the situation in many cases.
Therefore, I take umbrage with your dogged determination to "advise' anyone that a letter is not necessary.
If you wish to state that the US Embassy does not require this letter (and point out that it MAY be problematic) I support this.
But, if a person were to 'blindly' follow your "advice" and go ahead and not obtain "permission" (be it a letter or a Court Order) and then the custodial parent was refused permission to leave, or, worse yet, an action of 'child abduction' was started, then I suggest your "advice' was not quite correct.
I believe in "better safe than sorry".

[Oscar]

... in response to My last on this!!!, posted by Del on Jun 14, 2002

This statement (and link) from the Doc Steen site-

"Another frequently asked question: Does the female fiance in Russia (FSU) or Ukraine have to have a statement from the father that the child is allowed to immigrate?
Answer: No, this is no longer necessary, as long as the fiance (mother) of the child has total custody of the child. (Please be aware, however, that in OTHER countries this may not be true. Canada, for instance, DOES require a statement from the father that the child can immigrate.)"

http://k1.exit.com/k-2frames.html

This statement (and link) from the Comprehensive K-1 Guide-

"Permission - it is not necessary to get a permission slip from the other parent, if the child intends to immigrate.  This is a common myth.  It may have been true in the past, but is no longer required by most US Embassies (including Warsaw and Moscow).  Certainly, you can include such a permission notice if you feel comfortable doing so and the permission notice could be helpful in the US for potential legal reasons (although probably rarely if ever)."

http://warsaw-visaguide.hypermart.net/

Hope this helps.  As I said, I have also spoken to men who have brought children here that have confirmed this info along with what my girl was told at the passport office in Ukraine..

Nuf said.  Best of luck.

[Dan]

... in response to Re: Oscar, here is the material you seem..., posted by Oscar on Jun 13, 2002

Your use of the term "Sole Custody" translates into in the FSU??

Are you such an expert in divorce law in the FSU that you think US concepts even remotely apply in the FSU??

Please enlighten us.

- Dan

[Dan]

... in response to Sorry Del, you are incorrect-, posted by Oscar on Jun 13, 2002

About the laws of Ukraine. Don't even begin to pretend you do. You are merely recounting a few stories from other boards that serve your purpose - presumably of being the board contrarian.

There are, indeed, many other accounts - on numerous other boards - that are in direct contradiction to the drivel you are spouting.

All readers need to be informed of the risks they take in listening to your crap.

- Dan

[Oscar]

... in response to With *Due* Respect - You Know Diddly Squ..., posted by Dan on Jun 13, 2002

Unlike you Dan, I don't have any "purpose" (I assume you mean agenda) to serve..  People were asking questions and I was answering to the best of my ability, with info from my girl, from other men who have gone through it and from Visa web sites..  Hmmmm.. yep, sounds like a communist plot to foil unsuspecting American men to me!  ROFLMAO!!  Oh brother...

Two words Dan,just two-

GROW UP!

[KenC]

... in response to C'mon Dan, can't you be any more childis..., posted by Oscar on Jun 13, 2002

Oscar,
I have a news flash for you: YOU DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING!  Not everything can be learned via the Net.  It is not the information that you are passing on from your Internet searches that is hard to swallow, it is your haughty know-it-all attitude.  There is a pratical side to this process that can only be learned from real life experience.  For someone that just filled out his K-1 paperwork, your mouth exceeds your experience level.
KenC

[Oscar]

... in response to Could you be any more condescending?, posted by KenC on Jun 13, 2002

How many trips over have you made Ken??  How you can say my "attitude" has been "know it all", I have no clue.  I challenge you to go back on this topic FROM THE BEGINNING, and tell me WHO had the attitude!

As far as experience with the FSU Ken, I have had more than you happen to have so please don't tell me my "mouth" exceeds my experience when you really don't have a clue as to my experience..

[KenC]

... in response to Sorry Ken, didn't know 4 trips over made..., posted by Oscar on Jun 13, 2002

Oscar,
Give advice on things YOU have experienced.  No one challanged your experience on vacationing in the FSU.  You have NOT experienced the process of bringing a woman here yet and you sure as hell have not lived with a FSU wman here yet.  So shut yer trap on those subjects and allow those that HAVE actually experienced them (first hand) give the advice.
KenC

[Oscar]

... in response to not talking about trips here, posted by KenC on Jun 13, 2002

experienced every single thing talked about here, is that right?  Well, and I thought that Stalin was dead already! LOL!  

Ken, since not once have you seemed to have an answer about this question of spousal permission, perhaps you would care to enlighten us all??  I guess that, like Dan, you just don't like someone who hasn't spent the majority of their life on this board, giving some help to people who ask, with things YOU don't happen to have any answers for..

Get over yourself!  

If I have spoken to men who have had NO problems with needing any letter from a spouse, have also found the same thing on multiple web sites like Doc Steens for example (which I have posted but which people like you and Dan don't seem to want to read or understand), and my girl has told me that the Ukrainian passport office told her specifically you do NOT need this letter, WHAT IS YOUR FREAKING PROBLEM???  If YOU want to do some reasearch on it, FINE, but don't tell me that I have to have brought a child here to pass on this information to someone who asks for help which nobody seems interested in giving!

You think you are somehow "privileged" and a supreme member here just because you picked the first girl you met in Tver and are now married??  Give me a break!

Other people have many good things to add on this board who have not even been to the FSU before!  This is not a "good ol' boy" site Ken, it is a discussion forum for ALL!  Perhaps you have forgotten that??

[KenC]

... in response to I see Ken, it's "shut yer trap"..., posted by Oscar on Jun 13, 2002

Oscar,
Unlike you, I do not comment on things I do not know.  I have not made any comments regarding your sensless debate on this subject.  Your offensive attitude is just too much to take from a Newbie.
KenC

[Oscar]

... in response to unlike you, posted by KenC on Jun 13, 2002

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[Dan]

... in response to Dan- Give it and the board a rest ok?? Y..., posted by Oscar on Jun 13, 2002

For the record Oscar - I don't give a rat's rectum whether it was you or anyone else that made the comment you made.

What you seem to fail to recognize is the sheer number of people that read this board - and the fact that many of them follow the 'advice' of the board - sometimes to their detriment when that advice turns out to be fallacious.

In the specific case of children (whether American or Russian or Martian), I admit to having a soft spot - and if/when I see something - such as your post - that yet again does a disservice to the readership by spouting off about things you know nothing about - I am going to call BS on it. Simple as that.

Get used to it Oscar - as you seem to have more than the normal propensity for sticking your foot in your mouth - and should you continue to persist in it - I will, in turn, persist in insuring the record is square and others know that you are full of BS.

Nothing personal.

- Dan

[Oscar]

... in response to You Yet Again Choose to Flatter Yourself..., posted by Dan on Jun 13, 2002

You don't believe the Visa web sites, nor the other men who have done it, nor what was told to my Fiancee at the passport office...  You are so full of BS I can smell it online!  

GET OVER YOURSELF!

[Dan]

... in response to OK Dan the man, show us where you must h..., posted by Oscar on Jun 13, 2002

Your accusations to me seem pretty hollow Oscar.

- Dan

[Oscar]

... in response to OK Dan the man, show us where you must h..., posted by Oscar on Jun 13, 2002

I had no problem at all with your first post on this topic Dan, and I replied in a very appropriate manner... then you have to come back and start with the personal attack garbage..  I have no problem with you asking questions or making comments or having a different opinion, but when you start with the personal attacks, that's where it stops!

You go back and look at how this started on this topic, you will see who started the BS.. it was you.  

If you simply cannot comment without an attack, I tell you what, you don't respond or make comment on my posts and I will be happy to do the same for you..  If you cannot do that, then fine, we will make this board your personal outhouse and ruin it for everybody...  

Your choice..