The Value of Marriage ...

[Researcher]

Can anyone say "fear of commitment" issues?

[Fuzzyone]

 Zon


   I think you do a pretty good job of making yourself look like a fool all by yourself. F.T. does not have to help you all he has to do is make a comment or two and you are off the cliff.


   F.T. and I know you real well remember your whole life is on the internet it just takes some digging timmy.

[Zon]

we don't care if you are afraid of marriage or if you never do marry, so why not give it a rest already!?

Do I speak here in terms of "me"?  I stated my personal views clearly and concisely in the first post. I REALLY TRY NOT TO BE PERSONAL MOST OF THE TIME.  If I, personally, suggested the world was round at this site, 3 or 4 posters would scream that I am a pervert, whoremonger, or much worse! There really is no end, or proportion.  AND, I see they just arrived in perfect sequence.   So, I would imagine that a discussion board focused on travelling / living / dating / marrying women from other countries would focus on these themes:

- Benefits / disadvantages of travel / life in other cultures / places

- Benefits / disadvantages of dating vs marriage

- Government policies of travel/ living / marriage:
(practical tips)

- logistics of accommodations, transportation; hot spots
(including tips - advise / electronic / fashion / health)

- social stereotypes - what assumptions am I up against?

- cultural / language differences
(positive / negative / neutral)

- specific points of interest / things to know
(events; holidays; cultures)

- online dating / agencies

Different ways to meet people and women
- charity
- church
- education
- business

differences in social norms- MANNERS that negatively / positively affect an American man

Deeper View of dating scene - not the hype
- HONESTLY - and that includes all things normal to these areas (including escorts / scammers which are VERY common).

Success Stories and Happy Endings

Horror Stories and Lessons Learned

Living in foreign countries
- residency
- business
- banking
- successes / failures

I would guess there would also be a social component - Social & Business Networking in the real world.

That list took me about 5 minutes in between other online activities. 

How many of those points are promoted here? 
What is the traffic to this site, and what is its broad value to those (the public in a broad sense, with a variety of goals and opinions)?   

Ironically, I received an email while I wrote this from an American who has lived in Costa Rica for 10 years.  He helped hundreds of Americans travel, explore, and buy property in Costa Rica.  He came here for ONE month, and was run out on a rail!   Was he not experienced enough?  LOL   

[Ray]

 
      
 
 
 

[fathertime]

Do I speak here in terms of "me"?  I stated my personal views clearly and concisely in the first post. I REALLY TRY NOT TO BE PERSONAL MOST OF THE TIME.  If I, personally, suggested the world was round at this site, 3 or 4 posters would scream that I am a pervert, whoremonger, or much worse! There really is no end, or proportion.  AND, I see they just arrived in perfect sequence.   So, I would imagine that a discussion board focused on travelling / living / dating / marrying women from other countries would focus on these themes:

- Benefits / disadvantages of travel / life in other cultures / places

- Benefits / disadvantages of dating vs marriage

- Government policies of travel/ living / marriage:
(practical tips)

- logistics of accommodations, transportation; hot spots
(including tips - advise / electronic / fashion / health)

- social stereotypes - what assumptions am I up against?

- cultural / language differences
(positive / negative / neutral)

- specific points of interest / things to know
(events; holidays; cultures)

- online dating / agencies

Different ways to meet people and women
- charity
- church
- education
- business

differences in social norms- MANNERS that negatively / positively affect an American man

Deeper View of dating scene - not the hype
- HONESTLY - and that includes all things normal to these areas (including escorts / scammers which are VERY common).

Success Stories and Happy Endings

Horror Stories and Lessons Learned

Living in foreign countries
- residency
- business
- banking
- successes / failures

I would guess there would also be a social component - Social & Business Networking in the real world.

That list took me about 5 minutes in between other online activities. 

How many of those points are promoted here? 
What is the traffic to this site, and what is its broad value to those (the public in a broad sense, with a variety of goals and opinions)?   
  

There you go again doing your favorite thing, impotently complaining!  The woman here/there are not good enough, this website is not good enough, etc etc.  If you haven't done much learning, it is YOUR FAULT don't blame the website now! 


You act like you are a very serious individual or something. [size=78%] [/size]






Fathertime!   

[robert angel]

- Benefits / disadvantages of travel / life in other cultures / places

- Benefits / disadvantages of dating vs marriage

- Government policies of travel/ living / marriage:
(practical tips)

- logistics of accommodations, transportation; hot spots
(including tips - advise / electronic / fashion / health)

- social stereotypes - what assumptions am I up against?

- cultural / language differences
(positive / negative / neutral)

- specific points of interest / things to know
(events; holidays; cultures)

- online dating / agencies

Different ways to meet people and women
- charity
- church
- education
- business

differences in social norms- MANNERS that negatively / positively affect an American man

Deeper View of dating scene - not the hype
- HONESTLY - and that includes all things normal to these areas (including escorts / scammers which are VERY common).

Success Stories and Happy Endings

Horror Stories and Lessons Learned

Living in foreign countries
- residency
- business
- banking
- successes / failures

I would guess there would also be a social component - Social & Business Networking in the real world.

   

While we touch upon some of the above topics from time to time, I think that most readers--and  that includes probably the vast majority of the lurkers who perhaps don't join because of the contrary nature of a lot of threads, would enjoy and benefit from more posts along the lines avove. Sure there will always be personal attacks and attempts at one upmanship here, (along with a lot of good, solid posts)  but I think more folks (lurkers) would 'come out of the woodwork' and become active participants if we had more of the above points of topic being addressed more frequently.

Besides, with guys sharing failures, ala 'horror stories and train wrecks'---pretty much all of us would continue to read THOSE with interest.

Speaking of which, remember the guy who got scammed out of a couple grand by a 'gal' who turned out to be a lady boy, claiming to have a tourist visa (forged) and just needing airfare? Recall he waited almost 3 days at the airport for her plane to land and it never did?
 
 Last month we attended he and his foreign born wife's  (a real, very pretty, level headed WOMAN) first year wedding anniversary. He sure as hell got thrown off the horse, but he got back on, started anew and I think their long term prospects look good. Now THAT thread got a WHOLE lot of eye balling!

[Researcher]

Alot of guys will find excuses to stay out of the game so they can just "ride the pine." It's either the language barrier, travelling, green card sharks, etc....you have to have balls to get in this game!

[Fuzzyone]

    So Zon you start to get your behind handed to you as usual and you come back with what? Please give us a break really! As for Aconcepts I really did not see him get ran off on a rail but then if everyone did not agree with him and he took all his toys and went home then who's fault is that?


  One question I do want to ask you is every site that is hostile to you get the same treatment? Do you bore the crap out of them trying to tell them how to run their forum? I am just asking because this forum has been around since the late 1990s and has ran pretty good. I was just wondering if you might just open your own forum you could call it "I am Zon"

[Zon]

So Zon you start to get your behind handed to you as usual and you come back with what? Please give us a break really! As for Aconcepts I really did not see him get ran off on a rail but then if everyone did not agree with him and he took all his toys and went home then who's fault is that?

If I understood these discussions as a contest or fight (as you seem to), I would not spend the time.  Aconcepts is but ONE example of a person with a GREAT STORE of knowledge about living and dating SOTB - he has lived there full time for over 10 years.   Compare that to you, or the three amigos, and consider all the zillion topics that you guys can not begin to address.   

There would be more people with significant experience that would read and post here certainly, pero no vale le pene. And, your small minded, black and white style argumentation is a prime cause.   How can such a activity broaden or expand. 

This is not my heart's desire.  I am not on a crusade; but it should be obvious that anytime a topic here begins to expand beyond narrow limits, there is a small group that become personal, intolerant, and petty.   Why argue over such things in the first place? 

[V_Man]

I don't know what the big deal is. Just pick out the woman with the nicest rack and put a ring on her finger.Then it is happily ever after....done.... 

It's working for me so far. 

[fathertime]

 

Alot of guys will find excuses to stay out of the game so they can just "ride the pine." It's either the language barrier, travelling, green card sharks, etc....you have to have balls to get in this game!

I think Researcher is concise and on the button here.  You have never really shown any balls when it comes to women or traveling.  None of us were trembling about traveling that we brought bodyguards with us, like you did.  If that is any indication of your fear, you will continue to be in this unhappy single state you are currently in. 


  Zon, you have been traveling for around 10 years, leading sex tours to Thailand, doing whatever.  This website has always been more about forming relationships with latinas/asian ladies.  You have NEVER been able to do this very basic thing in 10 years of traveling.  Despite this, you want to be one of the loudest voices on the topics of relationships/marriage.  You would be challenged less if you limited your comments in these areas and focused on topics you can discuss with some credibility. 


One has to assume that you are utterly incapable with the ladies.  Another option is that you are unwilling to learn how to coexist with a woman. I like to think of you as being a giggling buffoon that is just so excited about ANY female that gives you attention that you soil yourself and immediately start throwing feces, when an attractive women enters the room.  You are your own worst enemy and that will continue because of nobody but yourself and your narrowing mind.


Fathertime!

[Zon]

Zon, you have been traveling for around 10 years, leading sex tours to Thailand, doing whatever.  This website has always been more about forming relationships with latinas/asian ladies.  You have NEVER been able to do this very basic thing in 10 years of traveling.  Despite this, you want to be one of the loudest voices on the topics of relationships/marriage.  You would be challenged less if you limited your comments in these areas and focused on topics you can discuss with some credibility. 




One has to assume that you are utterly incapable with the ladies.

Your obsession with me is beyond peculiar.   Your willingness to fill in the blanks, call names, suggest illegal activity - is there really any end to it?   AND, what is the purpose in the first place?


You pretend to know me.  You pretend to know me better than I know myself. 
- I lead sex tours to Thailand for 10 years?
- i am utterly incapable with women?


I think you should lay off the coffee and pick up a sport. LOL
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[Fuzzyone]

If I understood these discussions as a contest or fight (as you seem to), I would not spend the time.  Aconcepts is but ONE example of a person with a GREAT STORE of knowledge about living and dating SOTB - he has lived there full time for over 10 years.   Compare that to you, or the three amigos, and consider all the zillion topics that you guys can not begin to address.   

There would be more people with significant experience that would read and post here certainly, pero no vale le pene. And, your small minded, black and white style argumentation is a prime cause.   How can such a activity broaden or expand. 

This is not my heart's desire.  I am not on a crusade; but it should be obvious that anytime a topic here begins to expand beyond narrow limits, there is a small group that become personal, intolerant, and petty.   Why argue over such things in the first place?

  Really Zon contest fight? Really this coming from a guy who let a porn star name Felicia give you a nick name that you run around with as a badge of honor. It is time to exit the play ground you are getting nothing but older as each day passes.


   It is obvious to anyone here that you are anti marriage, your last post pointing to a story about young yuppy woman in New York city unable to find a marriage means nothing to us because no one here cares.


   Like I have said before you get drove from forum to forum what does that tell you about your thought process? Does that mean all these forums are wrong and you are right? You are the model for any man who shows up here that has been a failure his entire life. Maybe you can coach some poor guy on how to protect himself by incorporating himself under hundreds of different companies.

[Fuzzyone]

Your obsession with me is beyond peculiar.   Your willingness to fill in the blanks, call names, suggest illegal activity - is there really any end to it?   AND, what is the purpose in the first place?


You pretend to know me.  You pretend to know me better than I know myself. 
- I lead sex tours to Thailand for 10 years?
- i am utterly incapable with women?


I think you should lay off the coffee and pick up a sport. LOL
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   Like you have been told you have a pretty wide record on the internet and your life pretty much unfolds for anyone who looks a little. Its pretty funny to see you try to reinvent yourself over the years. So yes several of us do know you very well and several other gentlemen on other forums know you even better and that is not the slick salesmen you try to make your self for the last 10 years.


D.W.L.S.R. W/ KNOWLEDGE

[fathertime]

Your obsession with me is beyond peculiar.   Your willingness to fill in the blanks, call names, suggest illegal activity - is there really any end to it?   AND, what is the purpose in the first place?


You pretend to know me.  You pretend to know me better than I know myself. 
- I lead sex tours to Thailand for 10 years?
- i am utterly incapable with women?


I think you should lay off the coffee and pick up a sport. LOL
-

It is peculiar that you have been unable to form any relationship with ANY woman in the 10 years of traveling.  Now that is odd! 

I don't know about filling in the blanks, you talked on this website about leading a tour to Thailand, now I suppose you can say it was to 'tour the ruins'or something, but nobody will believe that.   Would you like me to look  up your quote and paste here?

You have also stated here that you have 'lots of game'  (what a stupid thing to state), besides that, it is not believable at all.  Your record shows that you were just bs'íng on that front too, as usual. 

The main point is, you are pretty unqualified to speak very much about foreign relationships/marriages.  Your  constant caterwauling should not be the leading voice here, simply because you don't have ANY experience as it relates to relationships/marriage.  That is the truth.

Fathertime! [size=78%] [/size]

[Zon]

Drove from forum to forum?   What a strange metaphor.   Are you "driving" me know?  Like a brawl is an old time saloon?  I don't get it.  I really don't.


I think porn is cool when properly applied.  You don't.  So what?

I think its pretty cool to be picked up at the air port in a strange country by a manager from a model agency, owner of a casino (titty bar).  You don't. So what?

I have had a ton of friendships with benefits.  In fact, I have had decent relationships with women who are nude models and porn stars.  This seems to be a "GOTCHA" thing for you guys?    I did not ask for your permission, or approval.

So, you have made it clear that if a person owns an adult web site, has a threesome (I have had a ton of em), goes on a swinger cruise; etc ... that such a person is unfit for marriage / incapable of love?  I disagree, and your opinion has no affect on my life.

But you got your wish again. LOL   We are talking about my past / how many times I have gone to Thailand?  How many times I have / or have not gotten laid.  MUCHOS   Am I qualified to speak as an authority on marriage - hell no! (especially compared to somebody who has done it as many times as you). HAHAHA   

But, relationships!  Especially, the ephemeral version ... I'm pretty damn accomplished.

[fathertime]

I think its pretty cool to be picked up at the air port in a strange country by a manager from a model agency, owner of a casino (titty bar).  You don't. So what?

Did this fictional ‘titty bar owner’ have enough room for your ‘bodyguards’ in the limo?  I wonder how much money you splashed around his ‘bar’?  or maybe he heard royalty was coming to town and was honored to pick up gringo king zon. 

So, you have made it clear that if a person owns an adult web site, has a threesome (I have had a ton of em), goes on a swinger cruise; etc ... that such a person is unfit for marriage / incapable of love?  I disagree, and your opinion has no affect on my life.

 
Strawman argument (your specialty)…but yes the opinions here HAVE had an affect on your life, that is OBVIOUS.  Yes it has appeared you are incapable of love/relationships though, the jury is out on exactly what the reason is and if you are uninterested in improving yourself then you will never have the experience. 

But you got your wish again. LOL   We are talking about my past / how many times I have gone to Thailand?  How many times I have / or have not gotten laid.  MUCHOS   

Now you want to pound your chest like you accomplished a profound thing because a few impoverished women around the world opened their legs for you?  I’m amazed you think that is a very big deal. Is the future so dire for you that you have to rejoice in your phony fantasies that never quite happened the way you say they did.


For several reasons you are unable to capture the heart of any of these women, so you groan about most of them and angrily make little cyclops sling yogurt in a cup as a substitute. 

I am pretty sure we could give you some good pointers about how to enjoy relationships with real women, but I am starting to really wonder if you are just too rigid and far gone now. 


Fathertime!

[Zon]

I am pretty sure we could give you some good pointers about how to enjoy relationships with real women, but I am starting to really wonder if you are just too rigid and far gone now.

HAHAHA - So, you have been trying to "HELP" me by insults and accusations   YOU are going to help me with women ... how to talk, how to dress, how to get a date, what gifts to buy?  Are you[snip]ting me?  HAHAHAHA  Here is me recently with some "poor / third world women." JEZZZ - the presumption!

[Fuzzyone]

Drove from forum to forum?   What a strange metaphor.   Are you "driving" me know?  Like a brawl is an old time saloon?  I don't get it.  I really don't.


I think porn is cool when properly applied.  You don't.  So what?

I think its pretty cool to be picked up at the air port in a strange country by a manager from a model agency, owner of a casino (titty bar).  You don't. So what?

I have had a ton of friendships with benefits.  In fact, I have had decent relationships with women who are nude models and porn stars.  This seems to be a "GOTCHA" thing for you guys?    I did not ask for your permission, or approval.

So, you have made it clear that if a person owns an adult web site, has a threesome (I have had a ton of em), goes on a swinger cruise; etc ... that such a person is unfit for marriage / incapable of love?  I disagree, and your opinion has no affect on my life.

But you got your wish again. LOL   We are talking about my past / how many times I have gone to Thailand?  How many times I have / or have not gotten laid.  MUCHOS   Am I qualified to speak as an authority on marriage - hell no! (especially compared to somebody who has done it as many times as you). HAHAHA   

But, relationships!  Especially, the ephemeral version ... I'm pretty damn accomplished.

 It mean every forum you have been on the posters did not take long to find out who you were and chased you off right?

[Zon]

It mean every forum you have been on the posters did not take long to find out who you were and chased you off right?

Well,  I have been here for quite a while?   

• FT gives me a hard time and seems to enjoy bringing up the fact that I thought I got a Colombian woman pregnant 4 years ago.  (I think his comments throughout time have been insensitive, but I do not give two [snip]s if people like me, or not).
• Dennis Levy and I had our differences based on moralistic grounds, and he asked me strongly to leave this board, but then thought better of it. RIP
• You have been similar to both, including fanning suspicions of illegal activities.  ( I think those comments are reckless ).

So again, you guys think this is necessary in every thread?

[fathertime]

HAHAHA - So, you have been trying to "HELP" me by insults and accusations   YOU are going to help me with women ... how to talk, how to dress, how to get a date, what gifts to buy?  Are you[snip]ting me?  HAHAHAHA  Here is me recently with some "poor / third world women." JEZZZ - the presumption!

I think we all have pictures of nice looking women, but don't feel the need to bust out photos. I always felt it was questionable to start posting women's pictures on a forum like this.  Did you get permission before you decided to use these women as a prop in this venue?  Probably not, one could say it speaks to your general lack of respect for the ladies.

I would hope you have figured out how to dress and what and what not to buy a date.  I was thinking more in terms of how to earn respect from a woman, enough respect that she might consider you worthwhile for more than a free dinner.   That is one of a couple areas where are likely coming up 'short'.  Why not do something about your own rather obvious deficiencies, before casting stones at the ladies?   

Fathertime! 

[Fuzzyone]

Well,  I have been here for quite a while?   

• FT gives me a hard time and seems to enjoy bringing up the fact that I thought I got a Colombian woman pregnant 4 years ago.  (I think his comments throughout time have been insensitive, but I do not give two [snip]s if people like me, or not).
• Dennis Levy and I had our differences based on moralistic grounds, and he asked me strongly to leave this board, but then thought better of it. RIP
• You have been similar to both, including fanning suspicions of illegal activities.  ( I think those comments are reckless ).

So again, you guys think this is necessary in every thread?

  On this thread or any for the last several months I have not read anyone but you suggesting any illegal activities you keep bringing that up for what reason? Maybe it is to make other members here feel sorry for you? I have not read anything that F.T posted in this thread about your little freak show down in Colombia and your fear of making a woman pregnant in Colombia. His remarks were insensitive? Jeez are you kidding me you are doing some girl with no birth control and then you are bummed because guys here don't pat you on the back and say" its ok tim its her fault" You are too old to be making the same mistakes as some kid in high school. Its called acting responsible.


  You really are a sorry excuse and you make it hard for any man going to Colombia to find his better half since you really are looking for sex and three somes I am proud of you Tim you are a hell of a man!

[fathertime]

Well,  I have been here for quite a while?   

• FT gives me a hard time and seems to enjoy bringing up the fact that I thought I got a Colombian woman pregnant 4 years ago.  (I think his comments throughout time have been insensitive, but I do not give two [snip]s if people like me, or not).

Well now that YOU mention it, you were the one who gleefully & wrongfully pronounced that young Colombian woman had a 'bun in the oven'.   Don't BLAME us, I didn't even bring it up this time!     


Fuzzy is right though, you act as if you behave like a serious person, but the reality is you behave VERY immaturely with the ladies.  Marriage minded women don't usually want a 50 year old    child to have to scrape up off the ground.  The man is supposed to be doing most of the leading, but you couldn't lead a dog on a leash.  You will have a much better experience with the Colombian ladies if you attempted to learn Spanish  stop trying to act like you are 19, and keep those jack-o-lantern teeth inside your old face instead of flashing them every time a woman looks your way.      [size=78%] [/size]

Now how did you think you were going to discuss the value of marriage, when you are about as ready for marriage as a 1 year old that hasn't had his nap?  Marriage is not all about YOU. 


Fathertime! 

[Zon]

Did you get permission before you decided to use these women as a prop in this venue?  Probably not, one could say it speaks to your general lack of respect for the ladies.

To answer your never ending negative presumption of me ...  YES, I do have the permission.    It is relevant because of your insult "that I take advantage of "poor girls from third worlds."  It is relevant because in almost every post, you depict me as a "almost 50 year old man" whose time has run out.  You seem to be gleeful at any hardship that would come to visit me. 

And, then, you suggest that I have obvious errors and inabilities with women?!?  You assume that you have advanced knowledge and skill.   And, you kindly offer to assist / school me.   FT, no matter how "bad" life has gotten for me ... I am not in the need of taking advise from an Al Bundy look alike, whose been married 3+ times.

Why not do something about your own rather obvious deficiencies, before casting stones at the ladies?   

I have spoken in general, cautionary terms about the tendencies of poorer women.  These are the women most gringos are likely to meet for the purposes of a fast marriage. I have called many of these types of marriages "garden variety".  Is this what has you so twisted?  Is it not the truth?

Now how did you think you were going to discuss the value of marriage, when you are about as ready for marriage as a 1 year old that hasn't had his nap?  Marriage is not all about YOU. 

I don't attempt to TEACH on topics in which I have little experience!  That does not mean I can think and talk about issues.  You seem to see this topic as hallowed ground?!?  HOWEVER, increasingly, I feel no NEED to become married myself.  I already had a young love.  It did not work out.  Most men, it seems to me, are not particularly happy as a result of marriage (maybe 30 50 %) - it does produce less loneliness, and wives are good at keeping men busy.

[Zon]

You really are a sorry excuse and you make it hard for any man going to Colombia to find his better half since you really are looking for sex and three somes I am proud of you Tim you are a hell of a man!

Do you really think that ALL women on this planet prefer vanilla ?!?!?   You think that all women are drawn to farmers, and never to solders    I think the opposite.   Some women like challenge and change - exploration.  I imagine this is hard for a man like you to even imagine.

Perhaps I have lived a little too much - that is true.  But, perhaps you did not live enough?