The Value of Marriage ...

[Researcher]

I'm in agreement with you there, Researcher ... so far our challenges have been travelling, learning Spanish, dealing with the distance in between trips, and now learning English.  But apart from being apart for up to 5 months at a time, everything else was fun and a growth experience ... not necessarily easy or inexpensive ... but fun!

It has been the same for my wife and I. Before I did this I wondered why all guys weren't doing the same. Now I think not all guys are cut out for it. Lucky for me my wife and I were both cut out for it.

[Zon]

Brag!?!? how about defend LOL

When I first launched the ZonZon campaign (five years ago), its message was "Re-Invent Yourself" - in whatever way you define it.  I can't count how many times I said and wrote "You Can Do It Too!."   Change careers.  Move to distant counties.  Loose weight.  One of the guys that came to my first Divorce Seminar decided to get in shape and he fought his first professional boxing match at the age of 45.  (he ended up saving his marriage).  Another guy, sold his restaurant and started a cable TV show (he ended up saving his marriage too).  These true stories do not exactly conform to the picture that some want to promote. 

So in the face of constant name calling and accusations that have ranged the spectrum from true, to partially true to 100% false ... I have not responded meekly.  Honestly, F You! - I do not need everybody to like me. I think your preoccupation is odd.  But it does not bother me - hell, you are welcome to your opinions and conclusions. I truly hope you married guys are as happy as you want us to believe.

Being a Player / Playboy in the USA; Europe; or South America certainly requires money, a little style, and a little personality. But, of course this depends on the type of women!   There are women in Colombia that would have NO interest in virtually any American regardless of age, looks, and wealth.   Poor girls / Fun girls are easier in every country - even the USA. That's why they are called easy

But, more to the point, only men that have NOT had enough attraction / sex / women, refer to it as "getting lucky".   I do not try to have sex with every attractive woman I can.  Far from it.  To me, one night stands are greatly over-rated.  I have had enough to know that sometimes sex can be more than a little disappointing.  So, having sex is not something to brag about in my book.

Having exceptional experiences, on the hand!   Well, that is an entirely different story.

[fathertime]

Brag!?!? how about defend LOL

When I first launched the ZonZon campaign (five years ago), its message was "Re-Invent Yourself" - in whatever way you define it.  I can't count how many times I said and wrote "You Can Do It Too!."   Change careers.  Move to distant counties.  Loose weight.  One of the guys that came to my first Divorce Seminar decided to get in shape and he fought his first professional boxing match at the age of 45.  (he ended up saving his marriage).  Another guy, sold his restaurant and started a cable TV show (he ended up saving his marriage too).  These true stories do not exactly conform to the picture that some want to promote. 

So in the face of constant name calling and accusations that have ranged the spectrum from true, to partially true to 100% false ... I have not responded meekly.  Honestly, F You! - I do not need everybody to like me. I think your preoccupation is odd.  But it does not bother me - hell, you are welcome to your opinions and conclusions. I truly hope you married guys are as happy as you want us to believe.

Being a Player / Playboy in the USA; Europe; or South America certainly requires money, a little style, and a little personality. But, of course this depends on the type of women!   There are women in Colombia that would have NO interest in virtually any American regardless of age, looks, and wealth.   Poor girls / Fun girls are easier in every country - even the USA. That's why they are called easy

But, more to the point, only men that have NOT had enough attraction / sex / women, refer to it as "getting lucky".   I do not try to have sex with every attractive woman I can.  Far from it.  To me, one night stands are greatly over-rated.  I have had enough to know that sometimes sex can be more than a little disappointing.  So, having sex is not something to brag about in my book.

Having exceptional experiences, on the hand!   Well, that is an entirely different story.

Who cares about your version of life history?  Looks like you are miserable now because people are talking about bragging and you are in the same sentence.  You know my take on it is a little different, I think you are mostly BS'ing!


I say go have fun and flings with as many 'high class hookers' as you want!  NOBODY CARES if you ever get married!


Fathertime! 

[Fuzzyone]

Brag!?!? how about defend LOL

When I first launched the ZonZon campaign (five years ago), its message was "Re-Invent Yourself" - in whatever way you define it.  I can't count how many times I said and wrote "You Can Do It Too!."   Change careers.  Move to distant counties.  Loose weight.  One of the guys that came to my first Divorce Seminar decided to get in shape and he fought his first professional boxing match at the age of 45.  (he ended up saving his marriage).  Another guy, sold his restaurant and started a cable TV show (he ended up saving his marriage too).  These true stories do not exactly conform to the picture that some want to promote. 

So in the face of constant name calling and accusations that have ranged the spectrum from true, to partially true to 100% false ... I have not responded meekly.  Honestly, F You! - I do not need everybody to like me. I think your preoccupation is odd.  But it does not bother me - hell, you are welcome to your opinions and conclusions. I truly hope you married guys are as happy as you want us to believe.

Being a Player / Playboy in the USA; Europe; or South America certainly requires money, a little style, and a little personality. But, of course this depends on the type of women!   There are women in Colombia that would have NO interest in virtually any American regardless of age, looks, and wealth.   Poor girls / Fun girls are easier in every country - even the USA. That's why they are called easy

But, more to the point, only men that have NOT had enough attraction / sex / women, refer to it as "getting lucky".   I do not try to have sex with every attractive woman I can.  Far from it.  To me, one night stands are greatly over-rated.  I have had enough to know that sometimes sex can be more than a little disappointing.  So, having sex is not something to brag about in my book.

Having exceptional experiences, on the hand!   Well, that is an entirely different story.

 So will the real ZonZon please come forward?? Lets see you ran divorce seminars?? If you were so good at it what happened guys stopped getting divorce in Florida?


http://www.adultseminars.com/zonzon


  This says different, but I guess this is just more of your B.S.

[Researcher]

That's right, being a player in a third world country is nothing to brag about. It seems to be  just a few steps away from those who travel to monger. Again, nothing to brag about and certainly nothing to defend. Most people feel sorry for losers like that. 

[A_Thomas]

 Yeah Zon is a bit of a revisionist isn't he?


 The problem with poor women in America (and Western Europe) they tend to be overweight, have children from previous relationships, on top of never being married when those children were born, preferring to call those men "sperm donors".


 I've called out many women for their open legs policy with men most would consider not ideal boyfriend material, let alone husbands. Its this poor (no pun) sense of judgement that has given me pause with women available in my economic pool no matter the location.


 Studies have shown that the more attractive and educated a woman becomes the more selective she becomes, which explains how some of these women (in the West) are turning to IVF because they can't seem to find an ideal mate.


 Bullsh*t!


 Women the West have been sold the lie they can "Have It All" and modern science has given them a largely noneffective and expensive "Get Out Of Cat Lady Jail Free" Card (IVF). I can't find the video anymore, but DW (Germany's English Language TV Station) profiled three UK women who all three complained of not being able to find a mate. All three were successful women, business owners or in White Collar management jobs. One was divorced, the other two never married. Getting near the end of their 30's and having had a string of unsuccessful relationships with men we can only guess of equal status; they decided to have children on their own. Foolish if you ask me, that makes you LESS desirable to most men, especially successful ones... Unless you meet the oddball who never intended to have his own children, but since you have one, its okay.


 In a related story, they also profiled a German woman going to another country (with her husband) where its legal but less expensive than Germany and a German woman who got IVF because she married a man who said he wanted to have children, but changed his mind. This also happen to Millionare Match Maker Patti Stanger, she wasted five years of her life dating a man who also changed his mind on having children. If Patti who is in her 40's wasn't crushed by this, she sure hides it well.


 Western dating sites are dominated by 30 and 40something women, who pursued economic and personal status, who now find themselves scrambling around to find a man to have a family with. We have more women over 30 having a child for the first time exploding since the 1980's. While many hail this as positive since divorce is less likely to happen with couples first married in their 30's because of better economic positions they find themselves in compared to couples in their 20's; This has also led to the birth rate with White women to drop to below replacement in the United States (1.8 births per woman) which is only slightly higher than Europe (1.5) or Asia (1.3).


 The populations explosion is happening in (not surprisingly) in Latin America and Africa.


 I would guess most people under a certain age married Latina women with the full intention of having a child. I know one member of this forum who unfortunately wasn't able to have children with his Colombian wife as she was around 40 years old.

 This is not uncommon at all...


 http://www.myfuturebaby.com/


 When I expressed my problems with dating women over 35 on another forum, of course I was attacked by well, women over 35...lol


 I do not want to risk all this time wanting to be a father the correct way (getting married first) only to marry some women who can't have children because she waited too long for whatever reason. I know this is often contentious because there is quite a bit of morality involved. Like I said before, I figured out back in the mid 90's that it was highly unlikely I was going to marry an America or British woman. At my income bracket, far too many of them are single mothers.


 I just had an MRA/MGTOW'er tell me that I should focus on making money instead of chasing women overseas. In some circles this would get echoed but for different reasons. That if my problem was largely uneducated (High School Only) women populate my dating pool (which it does) then the obvious solution is to move up an income bracket (or two).


 I am not convinced this is the right way to attack this problem; Here's why -


 As noted before, women with more education and success get more picky (as if women weren't picky already in the West). They would automatically find something wrong with what I was doing. Like if I made $80-90K driving trucks (which many O/O's do). In other words, if its not money made in the White Collar world or ill-gotten on Wall St/Chicago then its unacceptable dinner time/holiday party fare. Imagine a mid level manager at a Bank introducing her "Trucker" husband to her co-workers at the company Christmas Party.... Need I say more?


 
 
 


 


 

[Zon]

- I say go have fun and flings with as many 'high class hookers' as you want! 
- Looks like you are miserable now because ...

So these types of personal statements are normal.  Not intended to be inflammatory?   

This all started when I made the simple and truthful observation that one could not easily tell the difference in conduct between a group of men that came to a TLC marriage event, and a group of police officers from New Jersey that wanted to go on their own version of a "hunting trip."

I backed up that observation, when the occasions seemed appropriate (because of the rose colored glasses syndrome that is commonly advanced here). And it is that that turned into debates and name calling and witch hunts. It has not stopped much over the years.  I know for first hand knowledge that some active members KNOW and AGREE with what I have posted - AND MORE.  But, who wants to be politically incorrect.  Especially when the sensitivities run so deep and last years LOL  So, at times this place has only antiseptic give and take that is not entirely grounded in reality. Nobody really seems to care publicly about this?

So, FT I don't care if YOU get married, OR divorced, OR re-married again.  You have gotten good at it.   I have always, and only been interested in sharing and receiving other's experiences in order to sharpen my own views and interests in regards to dating and travelling in Central and South America.

Over the course of 6 years, there has been seasons to my life (as I hope there has been with everyone's) .  I have not been married, but I have been in a handful of relationships,  I have had an enormous number of flings, I have been on the gritty side of the tracks a handful of times, I feel head over heals and acted like a teenager only once, and I have found myself in a few complicated romantic break-ups. HOWEVER, if joined the priesthood and started an orphanage, and produced only good for the remainder of my life, a handful of men hear would continue with the same personal characterizations like the above.  And, again, I find that a little strange.

[benjio]

A_Thomas,
 
You bring up some very interesting points in your post. It gave me a lot of food for thought. You stated things that I've obviously taken notice of in the U.S. but it's always nice (at least for me) to get different perspectives of the same situation.
 
I agree with you. Many women in the U.S. value themselves way out of the market. I haven't had many women outright pursue me in the past (only 3 I can think of), but the audacity of those that have is unbelievable. A year ago I met a single mother of two through a mutual friend. She was nice (at first), very attractive and well educated. But like I said, she had two kids. Not only that, but she had a very bad relationship with the fathers of her children (yes, her two children had different fathers). She was constantly arguing with both about not spending enough time with her children, asking for money in addition to the child support they were already paying, etc. Both men were relatively successful and were paying a ton in child support. I attributed that to how attractive she was. Hot girls land guys with money anywhere on Earth. But what intelligent man would want to place themselves in that situation simply because she had a pretty face and a nice body? After I explained why I didn't want to be more than friends with her she would constantly tell me, "you don't know what you're missing out on" and "men like you never appreciate a good woman that takes care of her own!"    Not only that, but when she finally accepted I wasn't interested, she began telling our mutual friends that I "wasn't a real man" and I "wasn't ready for anything serious." I honestly don't think she had ever been rejected and behaved very immaturely when it finally happened.
 
I'd say the biggest problem young women in the U.S. have is the criteria they use to choose men. When a woman is in her teens and 20's and basing her choices in the men she dates on how those men look, she is setting herself up for failure from the get-go. Men in their teens and 20's that are exceptionally good looking usually have no problem sleeping with whomever they choose, and that's exactly what most of us want to do at that age. Young men with money fall under the same category. This sets up most women for a lifetime of failed relationships, especially when they have children and eventually become single mothers. Amazingly, after all that, when a woman is attractive, her eligibility requirements for who she chooses to date still don't change. You have countless single mothers in the U.S. that won't consider dating a man that's not physically attractive, romantic, very successful, and will love her children like their own. Until they get into their 40's, they don't think it's unrealistic to expect a man to romance them, commit 100%, and assume responsibility for all the baggage she comes along with. Movies and television only make this worse. There are dozens of both I can think of where some poor, single mom is swept off her feet by a handsome millionaire that loves her so much all her problems don't matter. It's actually pretty amazing.
 
Single, successful women without children are exponentially more demanding. An equal usually isn't good enough. If she's a successful lawyer, he has to have his own practice. If she is a nurse, he has to be a surgeon. If she has her own apartment, he has to be buying a house. What women refuse to understand is our primary motivation is almost always sex. If we get along with a woman then we may stick around and eventually fall in love, but usually we're not thinking of marriage when we initially meet a woman (in the U.S. anyway). When a woman prices herself (sex) way above market value, most men will go elsewhere. Especially if they are attractive and successful. It's simply too easy to find women that aren't as demanding. It's a shame many of these women can't be satisfied with a man that genuinely loves them, works hard and will be a good father. Like their younger counterparts, successful, attactive women in the U.S. concern themselves too much with how a man looks and what he has done, not the person he truly is.
 
It's A LOT different in Latin America. You see so many younger, beautiful women with older men because they learn from a young age that younger, attractive men usually aren't worth a damn when it comes to serious relationships. On average, women there appreciate stability, devotion and true commitment to a relationship much more than women in the states. Pass their looks, this is the most desireable characteristic of women SOTB.
 
There are still plenty of good women in the states, but it's hard to determine who is who. Everyone has walls up. No one wants to get hurt. No one behaves like the person they truly are until they are knee deep in a committed relationship. Love in Latin America is more free and has less expectations at the beginning. People realize that sometimes it just doesn't work and they move on. They don't get hung up so much on past relationships and carry emotional baggage that can jeopordize relationships in the future. In this respect, their "live for the moment" cultural view works in their favor.

[fathertime]

Well Zon for a guy who says he doesn't care, you sure seem to CARE quite a bit!  And now you are groaning because I tell you to enjoy the high class escorts.[size=78%] [/size][size=78%] I don't believe YOU are going to attract young women any other way[/size][size=78%]  [/size][size=78%]You are the one who brought them up, and have argued against marriage.    [/size][size=78%]  [/size][size=78%]So go enjoy because NO ONE CARES if you get married or not!![/size]

Since then, Zon has been involved in many adventures and wild night (I mean business start-ups). He is more famous for his carousing and game than anything else,

Well Fuzzyone, that link was another good find by you.  Some of these declarations Zon SAYS ABOUT HIMSELF are hilarious like the one above.  IT is funny when a guy makes up these things ABOUT HIMSELF  in order to sell something!  That certainly reads like he is BRAGGING while surrounded by a bunch of paid models that had to be paid to stand there and couldn't wait to leave!


 Alas, I think it is ok if somebody wants to pay for ''high class escorts' in 3rd world countries.   For others, they have just lost their way.




Fathertime! 

[Zon]

It is a phenomena of internet discussion boards - like Kangaroo Courts - where one (or two) loudmouths can create the appearance of truth, righteousness, and "just cause". So, do I care - NO!  But, I do not like bullies, and am not intimidated by your blow back.  Fuzzy even imagines this is a salon brawl.


I would have greatly prefer you to simply say that you do not like me, and be done with it. (I mean really did NOT like me!  Personally, through and through). I am a big boy.  I doubt very much we would have given each other more than 3 minutes in really life.  Go figure? I do wish you would shut up.  Stop repeating your position 1000 different ways.

And, as for past promo videos and web sites ... they are just fragments of 5 - 6 years ago.  There were many.  Each time one of you guys find a fragment, you get excited.  I have tried to find some of the real good ones for you on Playboy Radio and Nitemoves without success. Here is one of the earliest tests I did 6 years ago - probably the very first. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sONWMRQSaYw&feature=share&list=PLFC92A0AD7C3B88A6

AH! The Good ole' days ...
But, the past is nothing compared with the new campaigns I am going to launch over the next 6 months. Don't worry your pretty little heads!  I would never market, or sell anything to the audience on this site.   I use it only personally. Do you take objection to me using the other parts of the internet, or do you think I have to ask your permission first?

[Zon]

I'd say the biggest problem young women in the U.S. have is the criteria they use to choose men.

The biggest problem is that they do not really need a man - in the traditional sense.  The criteria they use is the criteria of a human with a greatly expanded set of choices.  In such a place as the USA, UK, and Norway ... the manifest itself in the situations of the day: the dress; the femininity; the mating selection - or lack thereof.

[Micky]

BenJ -


Good post!  I would say,  to a point,  that too many men are equally guilty of the unbalanced weight given to the physical.  The 'real'  difference with the 'modern'  women's criteria is,  second to the physical (sometimes it can be priority one),  what can this man provide me with.  The degree of material wealth and comfortable lifestyle.  The first,  and/or,  second most important qualities that many women are looking for is NOT the character of the man.  My own view,  whether man or women,  there first has to be what I call 'minimum physical,  mutual attraction'.  After that it is ALL about character and who that person is,  period.
One of the greatest differences between the women of the Latin culture and and the gringa,  which you mentioned,  is the criteria changes dramatically when there is a child/children in the equation.  The Latina KNOWS that it changes things greatly.  The gringa thinks that it is a separate department and she retains the same value as before she had a child/children.  This,  as with much written here,  is a big generalization,  but with much truth in it.
As it has been said many times,  it is not bad thing in itself that any women would want a man that can provide,  that is a reasonable expectation.  It is when the degree of providing becomes much more important than the character of the man himself.  Not unlike the man who is over the top with his value of the 'super hot chick'.  What real value is there in a 'super hot chick',  if she is  selfish,  uncaring,  dishonest, a airhead,  lazy,  bitchy person?  She has no real value in terms of any long term relationship.  That does not stop many men from going forward with trying to make it happen.
Anyway BenJ,  a most excellent post,  well thought out and written.



Micky

[benjio]

I would say,  to a point,  that too many men are equally guilty of the unbalanced weight given to the physical.

Damn good point Mick! It definitely works both ways. I was talking to Stevieboy on the phone a couple of weeks ago and we were in complete agreement that dating the 10's was fun when we were younger, but at this point we were both more interested in finding good women. Physical Attraction is obviously important for any man, but I don't need, nor am I'm searching for Latina Supermodels. Even though they are easy to find down here. Not to suggest there aren't 10's out there that would make great wives and mothers as well. The cost is just usually much too great because of their past experience with men. There's always that unspoken expectation of being spoiled even when you meet one that seems down to Earth.

[htown]

That's right, being a player in a third world country is nothing to brag about. It seems to be  just a few steps away from those who travel to monger. Again, nothing to brag about and certainly nothing to defend. Most people feel sorry for losers like that. 

Oh the irony, lol!


Do you realize that people say the same exact things about wife-hunters who go find a wife from a 3rd world country?


Wife hunters are mainly considered to be losers who couldn't get a decent woman in their own country so they had to go to a 3rd world country and buy a wife.  And most people will swear to you that these gringo chasing women are only using the lonely, pathetic, unattractive, socially akward fools for their money and us citizenship.




I see nothing wrong with it, but it is what it is.

[Zon]

"Oh the irony, lol!"


The irony is deafening!  Agreed

[robert angel]

BenJ -


Good post!  I would say,  to a point,  that too many men are equally guilty of the unbalanced weight given to the physical.  The 'real'  difference with the 'modern'  women's criteria is,  second to the physical (sometimes it can be priority one),  what can this man provide me with.  The degree of material wealth and comfortable lifestyle.  The first,  and/or,  second most important qualities that many women are looking for is NOT the character of the man.  My own view,  whether man or women,  there first has to be what I call 'minimum physical,  mutual attraction'.  After that it is ALL about character and who that person is,  period.

One of the greatest differences between the women of the Latin culture and and the gringa,  which you mentioned,  is the criteria changes dramatically when there is a child/children in the equation.  The Latina KNOWS that it changes things greatly.  The gringa thinks that it is a separate department and she retains the same value as before she had a child/children.  This,  as with much written here,  is a big generalization,  but with much truth in it.

As it has been said many times,  it is not bad thing in itself that any women would want a man that can provide,  that is a reasonable expectation.  It is when the degree of providing becomes much more important than the character of the man himself.  Not unlike the man who is over the top with his value of the 'super hot chick'.  What real value is there in a 'super hot chick',  if she is  selfish,  uncaring,  dishonest, a airhead,  lazy,  bitchy person?  She has no real value in terms of any long term relationship.  That does not stop many men from going forward with trying to make it happen.

Anyway BenJ,  a most excellent post,  well thought out and written.



Micky

Benjio--Micky-some great points here in what has pretty much otherwise become an often boring, cantankerous (IMO) thread. I think when we see the women of youth and beauty in other nations that we can date and even marry if we choose, that it makes our feelings, even our perceptions about American women's self inflated idea of self worth even worse. It skews them further.

 
That said, I have to admit that I think I'm a far more charming, handsome 'catch' of a guy than I really am. I'm not as cognizant as I should be that if I lost 10 or even 20 pounds and if I still had a full head of hair etc--that I'd be a lot hotter commodity stateside. And I think a lot of us don't want to think we're anywhere near 'over the hill' or 'out of the game' with 95% of the hot looking babes around us. I think in a lot of us, male AND female alike in the USA, that there's a gap in an individual's perception and the reality of just how attractive they really are.

 
Still, it cracks me up to see women with no job, or working in minmium wage jobs, women who weigh more than me, with their tatooed fat waists hanging out, tacky multi colored nail jobs and all, thinking they're freaking diva dolls who should be expensively wined and dined IF they're 'gracious' enough to accept a guys offer to go out on a date at all. Man o live, I can smell their fish from a mile away...

 
Now I know why in our pictures together, my wife always looks good and looking at me in half of the same pics, I wanna toss em out! And if another adult here over age 30 calls me 'Sir', I'm gonna smack em!

[Micky]

BenJ -

I am with you and SB on that point.  That is what my point is when I say 'reasonable expectations'.  If one were to find a good women,  physically beautiful,  good character and from an upper strata family.  Her expectations of being provided with a nice lifestyle,  nice house,  vacations,  cars,  clothing and the like. For THAT women,  those would be 'reasonable expectations'.  If a women was good looking,  but not a 9/10 (personally I don't care much for the # system),  comes from a estrato 3,  a very working class family, basically a Colombian 'we get by and do ok'  lifestyle.  Now if THAT women had the same expectations as the other women,  that would be 'unreasonable expectations'.  Those things have everything to do with the basic character of all of us. 
With us guys,  the fault is not always 'thinking with the small head'.  It is thinking with the big head,  full of unreasonable expectations.


Micky

[Fuzzyone]

It is a phenomena of internet discussion boards - like Kangaroo Courts - where one (or two) loudmouths can create the appearance of truth, righteousness, and "just cause". So, do I care - NO!  But, I do not like bullies, and am not intimidated by your blow back.  Fuzzy even imagines this is a salon brawl.


I would have greatly prefer you to simply say that you do not like me, and be done with it. (I mean really did NOT like me!  Personally, through and through). I am a big boy.  I doubt very much we would have given each other more than 3 minutes in really life.  Go figure? I do wish you would shut up.  Stop repeating your position 1000 different ways.

And, as for past promo videos and web sites ... they are just fragments of 5 - 6 years ago.  There were many.  Each time one of you guys find a fragment, you get excited.  I have tried to find some of the real good ones for you on Playboy Radio and Nitemoves without success. Here is one of the earliest tests I did 6 years ago - probably the very first. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sONWMRQSaYw&feature=share&list=PLFC92A0AD7C3B88A6

AH! The Good ole' days ...
But, the past is nothing compared with the new campaigns I am going to launch over the next 6 months. Don't worry your pretty little heads!  I would never market, or sell anything to the audience on this site.   I use it only personally. Do you take objection to me using the other parts of the internet, or do you think I have to ask your permission first?

  I guess over on the russian board they were right... whats a pimp? The posting above was from A.Js site post 1/4/2013. I thought you were doing your next remake in January which has passed I think...

[Zon]

I guess over on the russian board they were right... whats a pimp? The posting above was from A.Js site post 1/4/2013. I thought you were doing your next remake in January which has passed I think..

You share a strange fixation of me with FT.  Can you not just express your contempt for me enough to get it out of your system?   


It should be clear to everybody that I would not give you the time of day in real life.

[mambocowboy]

A_Thomas,
 
You bring up some very interesting points in your post. It gave me a lot of food for thought. You stated things that I've obviously taken notice of in the U.S. but it's always nice (at least for me) to get different perspectives of the same situation.
 
I agree with you. Many women in the U.S. value themselves way out of the market. I haven't had many women outright pursue me in the past (only 3 I can think of), but the audacity of those that have is unbelievable. A year ago I met a single mother of two through a mutual friend. She was nice (at first), very attractive and well educated. But like I said, she had two kids. Not only that, but she had a very bad relationship with the fathers of her children (yes, her two children had different fathers). She was constantly arguing with both about not spending enough time with her children, asking for money in addition to the child support they were already paying, etc. Both men were relatively successful and were paying a ton in child support. I attributed that to how attractive she was. Hot girls land guys with money anywhere on Earth. But what intelligent man would want to place themselves in that situation simply because she had a pretty face and a nice body? After I explained why I didn't want to be more than friends with her she would constantly tell me, "you don't know what you're missing out on" and "men like you never appreciate a good woman that takes care of her own!"    Not only that, but when she finally accepted I wasn't interested, she began telling our mutual friends that I "wasn't a real man" and I "wasn't ready for anything serious." I honestly don't think she had ever been rejected and behaved very immaturely when it finally happened.
 
I'd say the biggest problem young women in the U.S. have is the criteria they use to choose men. When a woman is in her teens and 20's and basing her choices in the men she dates on how those men look, she is setting herself up for failure from the get-go. Men in their teens and 20's that are exceptionally good looking usually have no problem sleeping with whomever they choose, and that's exactly what most of us want to do at that age. Young men with money fall under the same category. This sets up most women for a lifetime of failed relationships, especially when they have children and eventually become single mothers. Amazingly, after all that, when a woman is attractive, her eligibility requirements for who she chooses to date still don't change. You have countless single mothers in the U.S. that won't consider dating a man that's not physically attractive, romantic, very successful, and will love her children like their own. Until they get into their 40's, they don't think it's unrealistic to expect a man to romance them, commit 100%, and assume responsibility for all the baggage she comes along with. Movies and television only make this worse. There are dozens of both I can think of where some poor, single mom is swept off her feet by a handsome millionaire that loves her so much all her problems don't matter. It's actually pretty amazing.
 
Single, successful women without children are exponentially more demanding. An equal usually isn't good enough. If she's a successful lawyer, he has to have his own practice. If she is a nurse, he has to be a surgeon. If she has her own apartment, he has to be buying a house. What women refuse to understand is our primary motivation is almost always sex. If we get along with a woman then we may stick around and eventually fall in love, but usually we're not thinking of marriage when we initially meet a woman (in the U.S. anyway). When a woman prices herself (sex) way above market value, most men will go elsewhere. Especially if they are attractive and successful. It's simply too easy to find women that aren't as demanding. It's a shame many of these women can't be satisfied with a man that genuinely loves them, works hard and will be a good father. Like their younger counterparts, successful, attactive women in the U.S. concern themselves too much with how a man looks and what he has done, not the person he truly is.
 
It's A LOT different in Latin America. You see so many younger, beautiful women with older men because they learn from a young age that younger, attractive men usually aren't worth a damn when it comes to serious relationships. On average, women there appreciate stability, devotion and true commitment to a relationship much more than women in the states. Pass their looks, this is the most desireable characteristic of women SOTB.
 
There are still plenty of good women in the states, but it's hard to determine who is who. Everyone has walls up. No one wants to get hurt. No one behaves like the person they truly are until they are knee deep in a committed relationship. Love in Latin America is more free and has less expectations at the beginning. People realize that sometimes it just doesn't work and they move on. They don't get hung up so much on past relationships and carry emotional baggage that can jeopordize relationships in the future. In this respect, their "live for the moment" cultural view works in their favor.

Benjio, great post. I can relate to so many aspects of what you mentioned in my own experiences with women in the States. I attributed it to my age (late 30s at the time), but if a guy as young as you is experiencing that, it probably is as messed up as I thought it was. Overestimate their value indeed.... Now that I'm happily married to a Colombiana I can't believe it took me as long as it did to look for a woman in South America....

[fathertime]

It is a phenomena of internet discussion boards - like Kangaroo Courts - where one (or two) loudmouths can create the appearance of truth, righteousness, and "just cause". So, do I care - NO!  But, I do not like bullies, and am not intimidated by your blow back.  Fuzzy even imagines this is a salon brawl.


I would have greatly prefer you to simply say that you do not like me, and be done with it. (I mean really did NOT like me!  Personally, through and through). I am a big boy.  I doubt very much we would have given each other more than 3 minutes in really life.  Go figure? I do wish you would shut up.  Stop repeating your position 1000 different ways.

And, as for past promo videos and web sites ... they are just fragments of 5 - 6 years ago.  There were many.  Each time one of you guys find a fragment, you get excited.  I have tried to find some of the real good ones for you on Playboy Radio and Nitemoves without success. Here is one of the earliest tests I did 6 years ago - probably the very first. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sONWMRQSaYw&feature=share&list=PLFC92A0AD7C3B88A6

AH! The Good ole' days ...
But, the past is nothing compared with the new campaigns I am going to launch over the next 6 months. Don't worry your pretty little heads!  I would never market, or sell anything to the audience on this site.   I use it only personally. Do you take objection to me using the other parts of the internet, or do you think I have to ask your permission first?

It looks like you have embarked on a reputation rehabilitation campaign!  Like all your amateurish attmepts to establish relationshps with the Colombian women, this also seems hopeless for you.   I find it interesting that you CARE so much. 

It was you that started the thread to try to 'make your case' for others to be 50 year old spanish challenged  ''international playboys''. 
I personally enjoy enjoy exposing your history ad biases.  Of course if this diminishes the points you try to make that would be nobody but your own fault. 

Hate/dislke, how sad you think of it in those terms...i just think your behaviors have been shyster'ish and buffoonish too!

Fathertime!  [size=78%] [/size]

[fathertime]

Oh the irony, lol!


Do you realize that people say the same exact things about wife-hunters who go find a wife from a 3rd world country?


Wife hunters are mainly considered to be losers who couldn't get a decent woman in their own country so they had to go to a 3rd world country and buy a wife.  And most people will swear to you that these gringo chasing women are only using the lonely, pathetic, unattractive, socially akward fools for their money and us citizenship.




I see nothing wrong with it, but it is what it is.

i won't answer for the other guys..but my feeling is get the best you can and if that means go overseas than do it!


I suppose a % of people think to themselves ''oh look at that old bald loser and his mail order bride wife''... That's cool though there is no reason to let this potential judgement bother a guy... I'd rather be thought of as a desperate fool than be in a relationship with someone I felt was unattractive or intolerable! 


Fathertime! 

[fathertime]

A_Thomas,
 
You bring up some very interesting points in your post. It gave me a lot of food for thought. You stated things that I've obviously taken notice of in the U.S. but it's always nice (at least for me) to get different perspectives of the same situation.
 
I agree with you. Many women in the U.S. value themselves way out of the market. I haven't had many women outright pursue me in the past (only 3 I can think of), but the audacity of those that have is unbelievable. A year ago I met a single mother of two through a mutual friend. She was nice (at first), very attractive and well educated. But like I said, she had two kids. Not only that, but she had a very bad relationship with the fathers of her children (yes, her two children had different fathers). She was constantly arguing with both about not spending enough time with her children, asking for money in addition to the child support they were already paying, etc. Both men were relatively successful and were paying a ton in child support. I attributed that to how attractive she was. Hot girls land guys with money anywhere on Earth. But what intelligent man would want to place themselves in that situation simply because she had a pretty face and a nice body? After I explained why I didn't want to be more than friends with her she would constantly tell me, "you don't know what you're missing out on" and "men like you never appreciate a good woman that takes care of her own!"    Not only that, but when she finally accepted I wasn't interested, she began telling our mutual friends that I "wasn't a real man" and I "wasn't ready for anything serious." I honestly don't think she had ever been rejected and behaved very immaturely when it finally happened.
 
 

That was a funny story...I am envisioning the lady wagging the finger and saying "You don't know WHAT you are missing out on"  as if she is a one of a kind goddess in the sack. 
From what I've seen, often times these ladies wind up having very little respect for the fool that takes her and her children on..as she did with you in this case...


Fathertime! 

[htown]

i won't answer for the other guys..but my feeling is get the best you can and if that means go overseas than do it!


I suppose a % of people think to themselves ''oh look at that old bald loser and his mail order bride wife''... That's cool though there is no reason to let this potential judgement bother a guy... I'd rather be thought of as a desperate fool than be in a relationship with someone I felt was unattractive or intolerable! 


Fathertime!

I agree with you 100%.  I have a fat old aunt that I can't stand and she's married to this real nice guy that treats her like a queen and she treats him like crap.  They're both in their late 50's and got married about 10 years ago.  If he was smart he would've went to colombia and got him a nice looking lady who would treat him like a man is supposed to be treated.  He's a very conservative type who never "thinks outside the box", so to him I guess he's just satisfied with not being alone.  If I was in his shoes it would be a no-brainer to seek a wife from another country.  Life's too short to let what people think dictate how you live your life.


That's why I would never criticize any monger, player, or wife-hunter.  I give them all credit for having the balls and self-worth to do what makes them happy.  Whatever that may be.

[benjio]

That was a funny story...I am envisioning the lady wagging the finger and saying "You don't know WHAT you are missing out on"  as if she is a one of a kind goddess in the sack. 
From what I've seen, often times these ladies wind up having very little respect for the fool that takes her and her children on..as she did with you in this case...


Fathertime!

Yep...that's my experience. And of course the finger waving is obligatory.