The Value of Marriage ...

[fathertime]

 Keeping It 100 Fathertime!


 Nobody is forcing anybody to get married. In Western society its a cultural norm. In Latin Culture its a cultural norm. Now if you don't agree with that, don't get married. But don't try to sell the rest of us on being relationships without binding agreements.[size=78%] [/size]

Bingo!

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So, Zon said again he's not 50 years old, and you even quote it and continue to call him 50. I've read many posts by this guy and still can't find what the big deal is about poeple who react negatively to him. I actually agree with some of what he says even though I'm the marrying kind of guy. Am I missing something, or is this just a bunch of squabbling over nothing like women do? Zing!

He is about 50 now so I'm rounding up!     I like giving him crap, because I think he doesn't ever fess up to a few things and he still has the attitude that he is a worthy 'king'when really based on his stupidity he probably should be eating dog food while married to a 375pounder!    You are right though, it isn't a big deal, so you don't need to think it is. [size=78%] [/size]


Fathertime! 

[Stevieboy]

Bingo!



He is about 50 now so I'm rounding up!     I like giving him crap, because I think he doesn't ever fess up to a few things and he still has the attitude that he is a worthy 'king'when really based on his stupidity he probably should be eating dog food while married to a 375pounder!    You are right though, it isn't a big deal, so you don't need to think it is.


Fathertime!

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Ok, yeah you guys been going at it for some time. I was just wondering what I was missing. I remember last year you had an avatar that fit your name "Fathertime". Why did you change to that goofy looking guy? Hmm that's funny. Think I'll do that too.

[Stevieboy]

There you go FT. How you like my avatar now?

[fathertime]

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Ok, yeah you guys been going at it for some time. I was just wondering what I was missing. I remember last year you had an avatar that fit your name "Fathertime". Why did you change to that goofy looking guy? Hmm that's funny. Think I'll do that too.

Well Stevie,  I thought my avatar was a rather becoming picture of me from a few years ago...


That other ancient avatar of the actual "Fathertime"was such an irritant to zon that he actually was furious enough to send me a note about it...believe it or not! jajajaj

Fathertime! 

[fathertime]

There you go FT. How you like my avatar now?

that is a cool avatar Stevie, but I say you let us see that big silly grin of yours instead!


Fathertime! 

[Stevieboy]

Well Stevie,  I thought my avatar was a rather becoming picture of me from a few years ago...


That other ancient avatar of the actual "Fathertime"was such an irritant to zon that he actually was furious enough to send me a note about it...believe it or not! jajajaj

Fathertime!

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That's you? jajaja. You make a funny face. 

[V_Man]

The main problem with marriage is the laws. The second problem is how people (usually but not always the wife) take advantage of those laws to ruin the other person (usually but not always the husband).

The risk / rewards simply do not stack up for males in the western world.

Having said that, if one feels one really must be married then a man should do what he can to reduce the risks and increase the rewards.

[Stevieboy]

Well Stevie,  I thought my avatar was a rather becoming picture of me from a few years ago...


That other ancient avatar of the actual "Fathertime"was such an irritant to zon that he actually was furious enough to send me a note about it...believe it or not! jajajaj

Fathertime!

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You know that's not me right?

[benjio]

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You know that's not me right?

LOL! Met that gentleman (Ron Jeremy) during a flight from San Fransisco to L.A. a few years ago. He DOES NOT look anything like that anymore. 

[Researcher]

• Is marriage necessary? 
• Is it a wise decision in the first place - all things being equal?

I know.  I know.  This place is full of marriage fans no matter what.  For my part, I try to accurately observe the truth of things and the probabilities.  These discussions have to do with trends and social facts.  Would I ever get married? YES.  Under the right conditions, and to the right person, and NOT in the USA.  Do I feel that marriage is necessary to have lived a complete, fulfilled life?  NO

What prompted this post was a very negative read I had this AM.  However, there is more truth in the article than falsehoods.   I'm just saying...

http://www.returnofkings.com/6044/marriage-is-just-plain-tedious

Seems like a fairly healthy attitude toward marriage to have is not to marry anyone for the sake of being married but finding the right person to settle down with. Nothing wrong with that. I am glad to see more men express dis-satisfaction with the "modern woman". The "pussification" of American men is pretty sickening.

[Zon]

LOL! Met that gentleman (Ron Jeremy) during a flight from San Fransisco to L.A. a few years ago. He DOES NOT look anything like that anymore.

He is a hard person to meet in person and not like. 

[Brazilophile]

(Ron Jeremy)  is a hard person to meet in person and not like.

A porn convention came to the city in which I live 4 or 5 years ago.  I went to it.  I saw Ron Jeremy there.  I didn't speak with him.  He was sitting by himself (A few porn chicks were nearby.) eating some food. 

Frankly, he looked like he was 5 or 6 steps from Death's Door!  He was more than just overweight.  He was bloated!  His cheeks and chin were very puffy.  His facial skin looked mottled.  His hair looked thin and stringy.  I could only think of what he must of done to his body over the years.

[Zon]

For all you old fellas that think everything is hunky - dory ...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larissafaw/2012/12/05/why-are-so-many-professional-millennial-women-unable-to-find-dateable-men/

the writer is a women - DUH

[beulah]

For all you old fellas that think everything is hunky - dory ...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larissafaw/2012/12/05/why-are-so-many-professional-millennial-women-unable-to-find-dateable-men/

the writer is a women - DUH

zon what is the point of this link?   what does it matter if a segment of urban women in there 20s don't make marriage a priority? This is not news.
A lot of my men friends didnt marry until after their 20s either.  Being young is a confusing time

[Bob_S]

For all you old fellas that think everything is hunky - dory ...
http://www.forbes.com/sites/larissafaw/2012/12/05/why-are-so-many-professional-millennial-women-unable-to-find-dateable-men/
the writer is a women - DUH

This is talking about Yuppie chicks from New York, one of those places full of un-marriage-worthy women.  Again, How does this apply to us?  Just makes us feel better about our decision to go abroad for a broad.[size=78%] [/size]

[Researcher]

For all you old fellas that think everything is hunky - dory ...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larissafaw/2012/12/05/why-are-so-many-professional-millennial-women-unable-to-find-dateable-men/

the writer is a women - DUH

Sounds like this broad and her gal pals have seen too many "Sex and the City" episodes and think this is real life. Sad....When I started to consider women from other countries as an option for a mate I started to care less what these independent ball busting broads thought or wanted. I ended up dating several once I didn't care if they hung around or not. Why not let them compete with the foreign women? That's only fair.....they lost. HAHAHA!

[V_Man]

Sounds like this broad and her gal pals have seen too many "Sex and the City" episodes and think this is real life. Sad....When I started to consider women from other countries as an option for a mate I started to care less what these independent ball busting broads thought or wanted. I ended up dating several once I didn't care if they hung around or not. Why not let them compete with the foreign women? That's only fair.....they lost. HAHAHA!

I had similar experiences.

[Zon]

zon what is the point of this link?   what does it matter if a segment of urban women in there 20s don't make marriage a priority? This is not news.

What is the point of men seeking women in Colombia?  I do not think it was necessary for men in America 50 years ago to do so, right?  Can you imagine that article in Forbes being written 50 years ago in America? NO 20 YEARS AGO - maybe 10!?!   

My point, and it is germane to the original post, is that social roles (male and female) and institutions (marriage) have changed - and are continuing to change - radically in the USA.   These changes have been in slow motion, so many of these facts / observations seem radical to some.

[fathertime]

What is the point of men seeking women in Colombia?  I do not think it was necessary for men in America 50 years ago to do so, right?  Can you imagine that article in Forbes being written 50 years ago in America? NO 20 YEARS AGO - maybe 10!?!   

My point, and it is germane to the original post, is that social roles (male and female) and institutions (marriage) have changed - and are continuing to change - radically in the USA.   These changes have been in slow motion, so many of these facts / observations seem radical to some.

My feeling is that women are still basically the same, what has changed is that most of us are NOT viable options for young beautiful women in the states.  That is because most of us have aged out which is completely normal and the women are mostly right in seeking men close to their own age. 


All this silly talk about how terrible women are in the states, is mostly just selectively searching for articles that reiterate that point of view.  Many of us have avoided extending wallowing in pity and have moved on to young beautiful wives, others have been unable/incapable of  adapting and vent through their steady stream of distraught posts about how 'women changed' as if anything stays the same.  jajajja


Fathertime!   

[V_Man]

My feeling is that women are still basically the same, what has changed is that most of us are NOT viable options for young beautiful women in the states.  That is because most of us have aged out which is completely normal and the women are mostly right in seeking men close to their own age. 

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Fathertime!   

My experience is different.
Admittedly I am not in the states but I talk to like minded guys and many of them say similar things to me.
Plus I note that more 'younger' men are looking internationally for a wife.

Plus I never went looking for a women that were much younger or prettier than those I could date in my own country in the first place.

I found a wide and significant difference between latin women and western woman. It was not a difference of age and beauty that I am refering to.

[Zon]

Plus I note that more 'younger' men are looking internationally for a wife. I found a wide and significant difference between latin women and western woman. It was not a difference of age and beauty that I am referring to.

Yes, many younger men are smartly seeking romantic relationships outside the USA these days. Again, THAT was not common only 3 years ago.

My experience conforms to your observations - there are many differences outside age and beauty that are very attractive to a man that wants to be a man, not a androgynous partner.

I do date women significantly younger than myself in the states, and it is a chore.  Very difficult to be enjoyable after a week, or two.  When I date the same caliber of women in South America or Eastern Europe, there are longer term possibilities, based in part of the "none age and beauty characteristics" that you mention.

[Zon]

This is talking about Yuppie chicks from New York, one of those places full of un-marriage-worthy women.  Again, How does this apply to us?  Just makes us feel better about our decision to go abroad for a broad.

How does this apply to "us."  If the "us" is the 10 or 20 "old guys" already married to foreign wives, not at all!  LOL   

If, on the other hand, this site is intended to be an information source for all types of people who are researching and considering, it could be very relevant and clarifying too.

[beulah]

One thing I expect to be doing is dating and quite possibly marrying a woman younger and more attractive then the women avaiable to me in the USA.  I have attracted women in their mid 30s with children already, but I have decided I'd like a woman without child and a few years younger. 

[fathertime]

My experience is different.
Admittedly I am not in the states but I talk to like minded guys and many of them say similar things to me.
Plus I note that more 'younger' men are looking internationally for a wife.

Plus I never went looking for a women that were much younger or prettier than those I could date in my own country in the first place.

I found a wide and significant difference between latin women and western woman. It was not a difference of age and beauty that I am refering to.

In the US, there is a limited supply of 20 somethings that are going to be OK with having a spouse 20 years older, the supply is VERY limited if you are not particularly outstanding (rich, high profile)…it Is even WAY more limited when you are talking about beautiful ladies. Most young women are dating people close to their own age and if you are 40-50 years old you are INVISIBLE.  There are a % of dysfunctional ladies (on some level) that might take an interest though, but  not many men want that. 

I think it is good that young men go abroad also.  There has ALWAYS been a % of young men that don’t find what they want in a woman, or don’t compete well.  It is in recent years that the internet and international dating sites, and perhaps more acceptance of the practice of going abroad has opened up the possibility for younger people to do this. 
 I chuckle at all the complaints about how ‘women changed’.  They haven’t changed that much, but the guys doing the complaining have…they got OLD and are no longer in the young man’s game.  In the international market these men are, so why not take advantage and get what you want? 

Fathertime! 

[Zon]

There seems to always be a chuckle, or disagreement, certainly and always a "right way" in your thinking. You are a black and white kind of thinker, with little perception of, or tolerance for, shades of grey.  I generally agree with your uncharacteristic about young and old in the USA. 

I see, however, that you do not recognize any changes gender and society, and when me or others suggests them, you see such things only as complaining.  It is part of your dismissive, I know everything attitude.  (and, of course, your universal contempt for me).

Why however, do you say: 

There are a % of dysfunctional ladies (on some level) that might take an interest though [in an older man]. 

Are you not married to a younger woman?  Am I misunderstanding something?  Is your wife somehow not affected by this "dysfunction"?   Is this a result of dysfunction shield a temporary thing, or do you expect her to toss you aside in a few years when she more fully transitions - since that is the normal / non-dysfuctional thing to do?