To those who've used Jamie's agency .... Latin-Wife

[Researcher]

Again ... why be content with that is there, when it is so much more fun to wonder what COULD BE TRUE.  The interest in these topics have less to do with finding out the truth about me, or yourselves ... it is about the notion of scandal and dirty laundry, and the like. 

I reviewed what I posted above, and everything is there to draw your own conclusions, in a manner that is FAR MORE revealing than an internet discussion board ever deserved in the first place. 

Was I aware that some clients were gambling too much, drinking too much, cheating on their wives, living out fantasies in a manner that is not politically correct?  It is fair to say I knew some.   I purposely put myself in a position to not know everything.

Sex sells a little.  Romance sells a lot.  Frankly, I am surprised giving the situation for most American men over the age of 40 that more products and services have not been developed to create a greater evening out of things.  Clearly there is a cultural arbitrage that is possible - you jokers are living proof of that!  LOL   

I have taken more than a passing interest at specializing in this niche.  I have seen men become MASSIVELY affected to the positive with the expanded Freedoms, and Choices that is available with a little travel and life style design.   Do women have something to do with it?  Obviously, it is the curse of being a fertile man - or having a subscription of Viagra.  But, there is much more to it than that.  In life, you are either expanding and living , or shrinking and dying.   Much like this particular topic.

Actually there was much truth that marked up these last pages - not all of it fit for general consumption.   Posts like this are good for internet traffic, because sex sells.

       That's better and even a little informative. Still on the BS side of things though. All Preparation and no H.

           Researcher

[Zon]

I'm sure the men had fun, but do you REALLY think that it is a good idea to be recruiting teenage girls for this sort of thing?  And then to make a profit..i'd have a hard time doing that.   It seems a little abusive to set up shop in a foreign land just to do this sort of thing. 

From truth to fiction.

I am smart, and I make sure the lines are clearly drawn for myself, especially - and everybody else.   Especially 5 years ago, but ALWAYS when I do any type of business in a foreign country, the first thing I do is find local management, lawyers, and service agencies.   Remember, the value I have sold in these packages was information, education, and the fact that everything was advanced and 100% safe and legal. 

So ... where did recruiting teenage girls come from?  Does that just sound "bad" to me - or, do you get it too?  Perhaps that was your debating style here.   

Teenage?  I have dated a few "teenage" girls over the last 5 yeas.  I think 3. Good for me!  Then were all ADULTS ... something you were trying to imply was not the case. 

[Zon]

  That's better and even a little informative. Still on the BS side of things though. All Preparation and no H.

In the absence of posting "technical information" such as recent tariff  changes or demographic trends.   I did notice that not a single member here picked up on two substantive points which, from this group would seem to be very relevant.

- Similarities in Romance Tours and any other Travel product where Sexy / Romance is expected.

- Negative Judgement from neighbors and family resulting in foreign marriages with large age / league gaps.   (using the member's own reaction to understand their neighbors).

But, I do not want to bring up negative points that cause reflection and pain.   Again, it is best to keep the rose colored glasses on looking TO OTHERS, and not at oneself. 

Enjoy the day gringos

===

FT - you were ENGAGED to a woman in Cali?!?!?    You have a problem with me because I am not more marriage motivated.  Dude, you have been married 3 times, and have proposed at least 4, and your not 45 yet!  You have proposed marriage at least 1 in 5 years since the age of 25; and have married 1 in 7.  In my view, you would have been wise to live a Zon Zon life for a year or 2 to fix that problem first.

[innerperson]

- Similarities in Romance Tours and any other Travel product where Sexy / Romance is expected.

Never did one so can't comment.  The marketing of some of the romance tours posted on the forums looked pretty cheesy to me.  Obviously it is working for their demographics.

- Negative Judgement from neighbors and family resulting in foreign marriages with large age / league gaps.   (using the member's own reaction to understand their neighbors).

Something you will have to deal with. Anytime you go outside the norm you will deal with stuff like that. 

I am not sure what type of conversation you wanted to have about those issues.  Romance tours have had a bad name on forums and people judge others.  Nothing new there...

[fathertime]

So ... where did recruiting teenage girls come from?  Does that just sound "bad" to me - or, do you get it too?  Perhaps that was your debating style here.   

Teenage?  I have dated a few "teenage" girls over the last 5 yeas.  I think 3. Good for me!  Then were all ADULTS ... something you were trying to imply was not the case. 

yes adults teens 18 or 19 if they are being truthful...still pretty young to be working on these tours. 
Well, whether they were 19 or 24..i still think it is not a good reflection for an american man to set up shop and to make money mainly off of their prowess in the bedroom.  you may not consider it prostitution, because it seems more classy but i'd say it is.

Dude, you have been married 3 times, 

i don't recall that 3rd marriage of mine, can you give me any further details about this marriage i was supposed to have had?

FT - you were ENGAGED to a woman in Cali?!?!?     

this is in the archives somewhere and is no secret...after the experience among many things, i learned a little more about commitment and not half-assing the whole process. 
Fathertime! 

[Zon]

Be careful please, SEMANTICS MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE!

These people were NOT employed, or under the direction of me or my company.  To bring up the suggestion that such people 1) MIGHT HAVE BEEN  and 2) MIGHT OF LIED ABOUT THERE AGE !?!?!?   WTF  Do you realize the implications of that statement. Do you think we are speaking in hypotheticals?

It is like me saying you were mad at that man, and own a gun ... there for you COULD have shot him.

[fathertime]

These people were NOT employed, or under the direction of me or my company.  To bring up the suggestion that such people 1) MIGHT HAVE BEEN  and 2) MIGHT OF LIED ABOUT THERE AGE !?!?!?   WTF  Do you realize the implications of that statement. 

I'm not following you entirely here.  Here is what I think  you are saying.


  1. ZON ""The women were all over 18.
Ok, I'll give you that one for the moment, they were all over 18.  No I do not understand the implications if they did lie and were 17.5 verses 18. What difference does it make? 


2.  ZON They were not hired by YOUR company.
Ok so they were independent contractors that you used in your advertisements and in/around the castle .  Is that fair enough?




Fathertime! 

[SkyNorth]

Zon...you stated above:
"100% SAFE and LEGAL" & "the girls were TESTED" -- PLUS -- "PAID $250 each"
 
1) Tested means they are coming to the CASTLE for SEX.
2) PAID by YOU (your words on the conference call with AJ) means PROs (ie hookers, escorts, strippers, party girls, models, etc.)
3) EQUALs   ---   Pay 4 Play    and you are the "COORDINATOR" (again your words)
 
HUMMMM  a man that coordinates sex ------>  PIMP

[Zon]

Zon...you stated above:
"100% SAFE and LEGAL" & "the girls were TESTED" -- PLUS -- "PAID $250 each"

you are certainly free to think what you want!  The courts have a different opinion.

[buencamino]

 "Do you think we are speaking in hypotheticals?"
 
That's kind of an amusing question since everything on this forum is "hypotheticals". It is the internet after all and any poster can invent (ie. make himself out to be) any persona he wants other posters to believe he is. He can even post under multiple personas, maybe even change his sex. Really anything is possible and unverifiable apart from the ISP the post is coming from and even that can be a proxy. I personally know several guys who have posted here at one time or another so I can say I could vouch for them being who they post as. However I would not expect other posters who don't know me or who I'm vouching for to buy it. In a forum like this there really is no such thing as "cred" just some posters who have posted in a given persona longer than others. I take everything I see posted here that isn't plainly identified as personal opinion with a huge bushel of salt.

[innerperson]

These people were NOT employed, or under the direction of me or my company.  To bring up the suggestion that such people 1) MIGHT HAVE BEEN  and 2) MIGHT OF LIED ABOUT THERE AGE !?!?!?   WTF  Do you realize the implications of that statement. Do you think we are speaking in hypotheticals?

It is like me saying you were mad at that man, and own a gun ... there for you COULD have shot him.

Maybe you should look for a new line of work.


You are going crazy because people said they were employees.  Oh no, you are going to get me into trouble.


You are going crazy because people wonder if the girls lied about their age.   Oh no, the police will come after me if you say that.


Seriously, you are trying to toe the legal line so much that a statement has you pooping in your pants.  I know you live in a different reality to most but I wouldn't want to be going through life worrying so much about staying legal.


After more "truth" comes out, I think whomever sent your Ukraine gal info on this did her a favor.  I normally say don't interfere with relationships and wouldn't myself but a part of me is glad someone did, for her sake. 

[Zon]

You are going crazy because people wonder if the girls lied about their age.   Oh no, the police will come after me if you say that.

I am visible, and it would be best if claims would not be cast around so recklessly.

After more "truth" comes out, I think whomever sent your Ukraine gal info on this did her a favor.  I normally say don't interfere with relationships and wouldn't myself but a part of me is glad someone did, for her sake.

Maybe ...


Only 7 years ago I was a "house cat."  Mama ran the house - and me.  I was always in bed by 10 PM - the kids had to be driven  bright and early.  I would have never thought I would have left the USA.  You see, everything can change. 

[fathertime]

I'm not following you entirely here.  Here is what I think  you are saying.


  1. ZON ""The women were all over 18.
Ok, I'll give you that one for the moment, they were all over 18.  No I do not understand the implications if they did lie and were 17.5 verses 18. What difference does it make? 


2.  ZON They were not hired by YOUR company.
Ok so they were independent contractors that you used in your advertisements and in/around the castle .  Is that fair enough?




Fathertime! 

AND ZON"S RESPONSE:

So what difference does 17.5 make verses 18, and was i being fair in stating the young ladies were independent contractors? 

Only 7 years ago I was a "house cat."  Mama ran the house - and me.  I was always in bed by 10 PM - the kids had to be driven  bright and early.  I would have never thought I would have left the USA.  You see, everything can change.

You have stated numerous times that you have never been a father so now you are going to begin claiming you were driving kids every morning? 






Fathertime! 

[Fuzzyone]

I am visible, and it would be best if claims would not be cast around so recklessly.



Maybe ...


Only 7 years ago I was a "house cat."  Mama ran the house - and me.  I was always in bed by 10 PM - the kids had to be driven  bright and early.  I would have never thought I would have left the USA.  You see, everything can change.

 Wow I your kids must be pretty proud of you? huh skippy?


I guess the guys over on the russian forum are tougher on you than we are. Is that why you are over here can't stand the heat?

[Fuzzyone]

Zon...you stated above:
"100% SAFE and LEGAL" & "the girls were TESTED" -- PLUS -- "PAID $250 each"
 
1) Tested means they are coming to the CASTLE for SEX.
2) PAID by YOU (your words on the conference call with AJ) means PROs (ie hookers, escorts, strippers, party girls, models, etc.)
3) EQUALs   ---   Pay 4 Play    and you are the "COORDINATOR" (again your words)
 
HUMMMM  a man that coordinates sex ------>  PIMP

   SkyNorth


     The more and more you post the more I like you. I can see you do your research in dept. It makes it hard for a snake to wiggle out of a jam huh?

[Researcher]

In the absence of posting "technical information" such as recent tariff  changes or demographic trends.   I did notice that not a single member here picked up on two substantive points which, from this group would seem to be very relevant.

- Similarities in Romance Tours and any other Travel product where Sexy / Romance is expected.

- Negative Judgement from neighbors and family resulting in foreign marriages with large age / league gaps.   (using the member's own reaction to understand their neighbors).

But, I do not want to bring up negative points that cause reflection and pain.   Again, it is best to keep the rose colored glasses on looking TO OTHERS, and not at oneself. 

Enjoy the day gringos

===

   That's OK zon, negative points are not bad as long as you are keeping it real.


         Researcher

[fathertime]

   That's OK zon, negative points are not bad as long as you are keeping it real.


         Researcher

yoyo buddy!   


I can't believe you finally shaved that zz top  goatee of yours!  Still looking good with the lady.

 Wow I your kids must be pretty proud of you? huh skippy?


I guess the guys over on the russian forum are tougher on you than we are. Is that why you are over here can't stand the heat?

I don't know Fuzzy I think maybe we were harder on him.  He has been driven to just start making his entire life fictional now.  Next thing he is going to tell us is that he has really been married to Miss America this whole time. 


Fathertime! 

[Zon]

So what difference does 17.5 make verses 18, and was i being fair in stating the young ladies were independent contractors? 

One brings a jail sentence, the other does not.  There is not movable lines here.  There are very clear rules that can not be crossed.


That is something that is forgotten with men that have thought outside the box and figured out how to marry women significantly better ( younger / more attractive ) than would be naturally the case - all things being equal - in the USA.   But, there are lines and they are important.  I do not circumvent these rules.  In fact I am an advocate for them to be justly and forcefully in place.  I am a freedom advocate - GET IT?  I have nothing to do with men that have relationships of any kind with women that are 1 day younger than the age of 18.  They should be summarily executed on site - no explanation.  If a man exists that does this, they should stop living. No court of law - as is the case here on the discussion board.  Pretty clear - right.

If a man is whatever age, he is lawfully able to have relations with a woman over the age of 18. 

Obviously, there are more subtle social issues with such arrangements ... but, those types of refinements are largely above the pay grade of this group.

[Zon]

 Wow I your kids must be pretty proud of you? huh skippy?

They were not my children - but I did the best I could for 13 years.  I would do it again if I had to ... but, I would rather not.

Proud of me?  Here you go again ... judging me - and millions of other people in my position that have associations that you disagree with.  That is fine.  I have always understood that people judge.

My question to you is this: Naturally I have never seen you.  But I strongly presume your relationship with your wife is noticeably different than you would otherwise have in the USA - ditto with FT and Researcher.  Which simply means when you walk by, people notice!   They look, and stare and they talk under their breath with the same presumption that you write here.  You are aware of this, are you not?

On one level of measurement ... what does it matter?   On another level ... it can cause a burden to reconcile social nonacceptance.  How do you deal with this?  Do you even see it ... or, do you just pretend.  Often times, you bring children into your evaluations.  You have suggested that you have a daughter.  How would you feel if she end up married to a man with a age and league gap that you have with your wife?  Would you feel bitter?  Or, would you imagine a more complicated justification?    In the past, I challenged you to post a photo representation of yourself to provide simply a frame of reference.   I now withdraw that, in favor of asking you to gather the courage to answer this social situation - a case in which you have first hand knowledge.  I think it would give everybody something to strongly consider - including me.

[Zon]

And I will contribute one more true story.  The fact is I have not been nearly as expressive I could have been here on this board throughout the years.  The fact is that the very best potential members, know of this board, but never visit, or contribute - for the reasons I am recently proving.  The most active posters really do not want a connection of boots on the ground reporting ... they prefer a nicely washed, and antiseptic version please.


I had a very good friend that moved to Medellin 2 years ago.  He got wrapped up with a very attractive women.  I saw the photos. She is a 10!   I told him the questions to ask here.  I told him what was happening behind the scenes.  ( Actually, I only alluded ... words can be injurious things, and it is best for people to find out for themselves). ONE YEAR OF EMOTIONAL TURMOIL!   The last time I was in Medellin, I took him to a meeting with a man that owned the Charlie Lifestyle. He wanted to arrange a photo shot.  He had a book of girls in his control.  My friend looked through the book, and turned WHITE. YEP!  I am sorry to say, I saw it coming all along. 


It has been less than 12 months now, and this same girl is not in Colombia anymore.   No, she is a "fiance" in South Florida.  Hmmm.    (and she has a baby ... that the American man may not even know about! )


This sounds like a "BAD" story.  No, just a story. I know many of them.  But, I do not know many where the fantasy life lives throughout time.  There are men here who claim to have climbed the mountain and have stolen the fire from the Gods.  The suggest that they are living normal American lives and that all is well - and I hope it is for them!  But, after living in Colombia and Central America for 4 years, I have seen surprisingly few examples of this.


So ... I maintain that Colombia IS WHAT YOU MAKE IT.  It can be a paradise.  It can be an allusion.  It can be damn dangerous too.  So, those who read these pages in the next months and years, be balanced and be objective.   If it sounds to good to be true, be suspicious.

[fathertime]

  Well zon,

It seems to me that you have finally admitted to something that many members knew all along.  You have been a man behind the scenes and perhaps there was a buffer between you and the actions taking place in that castle of yours, but at the end of the day, it was about prostitution as much as anything else.  It may have been run legally, but you participated and presumably received some money.  You don’t have to respond any further (to me) about details.  I’ve read enough.
 
Now assuming we can get past that (I’ll leave that up to you).  How do you think YOU are affected by these things you were involved with in the past?  I’ll tell you this much, to me it always appears you have an overly suspicious attitude regarding the ladies.  Your overly suspicious attitude is not a benefit to you.  Maybe your posts should be qualified with your history because in YOUR case that is very pertinent for a reader to know about your history so they can weigh the value of your words properly. 
 
Those that tried to shield you from the intense scrutiny you received have been proven wrong in doing so. You rightly deserved every bit of the scrutiny for your writings and your actions.  Had your defenders won out, the truth would have never been presented.   It took a long time to break you down, but the whole story and your attitude make sense now, the puzzle is mostly complete.    Maybe we get onto helping you find a woman, like the rest of us fat gasbags! 


Do you agree?  Shall we move on or is there something more to say? Would you like to discuss your past business more?  Do you want to argue about what took place there?   You tell me, there could be plenty more for me to say/accuse, but I’m willing to bite my tongue and let it all be now.
 
Fathertime!   

[SkyNorth]

You know Zon...Jethro Bo Dean was an International Playboy as well. 

 
Great company you keep and Great aspirations to have!!!   I'm sure you guys share the same IQ.  Maybe you even trumphed his 3rd grade education.

[Researcher]

yoyo buddy!   


I can't believe you finally shaved that zz top  goatee of yours!  Still looking good with the lady.
 
Fathertime!

     Yeah, it tickled the little lady so I had to cut it. It's funny to see Ol' Zon get so upset about guys taking the young hotties away from Colombia when they could work for someone like him instead.

     Researcher

[Zon]

but at the end of the day, it was about prostitution as much as anything else.  It may have been run legally, but you participated and presumably received some money.  You don’t have to respond any further (to me) about details. 

It is true that without the allure of meeting sexy girls that where friendly and open, and motivated an American ... those travel products would not had as much appeal.   I was involved in those information seminars for about 1.5 years and they looked to be lucrative until the financial crash of 2008.   In February of that year, I had all 32 clients cancel out of a golf weekend.  If the economy would have gone differently, so would have my life.

The exception that was pointed out upthread was a production trip I promoted, and that was specifically for people in the adult industry.  It was a one off, and more trouble than it was worth.

But, yes you are correctly, everything I had dealings with in these events were handled in compliance with all applicable laws.

[Zon]

I did feel a tinge of guilt, however ...

There was one night in Colombia where I a guy I knew flew to a city to meet a woman that he had been corresponding with - "his novia."  He was a nice guy.   But, the day he arrived, he found out in a very ugly way that the woman was only scamming him.  He was sad and depressed.   I did take it upon myself to directly make a few phone calls.  An hour later a professional "massoose" arrived to offer him the service.   I paid the ticket.   

So, there you have it!