To those who've used Jamie's agency .... Latin-Wife

[stevie-vegas]

Steve...I agree that they are too sensitive but I think in most cases they are fair.  In your case I agree you have said nothing wrong that I read.  But I did not read all your posts.

 
BTW - you really should say something BAD about Zon (it might make you fell better).  It works for us.  Just Kidding...ZON.

 
I think everyone is getting too sensitive today!!!!!!!

It is hard for me to say anything about Zon, the guy has laid his life and appearance out in the open, full knowing that he will be attacked over it, but is still here.  I can only imagine how others would react, more importantly his attackers, if any of their personal info was shared here, or what they do for a living.  Let the man Zon be!!  His attackers should be those that are banned, not his defenders.

[SkyNorth]

Steve...that was way to Dramatic!!!!!!

 
Zon skin is thick and he enjoys the attention -- in case you did not recognize that fact.

[Fuzzyone]

Seems the mods here have eliminated my moniker DEFENDER OF ZON, so I have registered under the name Stevie Vegas, which is actually much more appropriate.  Before I continue into the fray, can I get an explanation on why the mods would ban me here?  Is it because I have been a defender of zon?  Are you going to ban me again.'  I have NOT broken any forum rules, that I know of.  Could it be the mods have something against Zon?  Please at least have the balls to explain what I have done wrong.  I think I have given good advice to ROCKET and also the Indian poster.  So tell me, what gives?
 
Stevie Vegas

  Naw Stevie it just you were not fooling anyone keep trying.

[Fuzzyone]

Steve...that was way to Dramatic!!!!!!

 
Zon skin is thick and he enjoys the attention -- in case you did not recognize that fact.

   Sky


     I think you are right on that one but it is just to fun to show what he has been up to for the last 4 years.

[Fuzzyone]

DING DONG ... have we been reading the same material?  I have been caught?  Like some type of cheating husband?  Feeding BS to you, and the other 10 - 20 members here?   For great business purposes?   

It has been known for 3 years that I am legally involved in the adult industry - SO WHAT!?  You are inflamed like a church lady, and always have been.  FT - is jealous.  and most everybody else just sits back and laughs.

   You know what is B.S. is that you came on to this site to use it for nothing else but for your own little sex business which is B.S. and you know it. It was the same when you showed up on the Russian board and members there told you the same.... you are a pimp dude and go the hell away!

[SkyNorth]

Fuzzy...I had no idea!!!  And I still wonder, what is truly up with Zon?  I do not know if he crossed lines or if  he didn't.  He's too defensive, and I guess that is understandable, to answer questions.

 
I do think as guys representing the USA; the last thing we need to be exporting to other countries is the adult industry.
 
 

[fathertime]

well zon, i don't care very much about all your sex industry exploits because i think they are mostly bs you made up to pump yourself up...BUT now that i've seen the utube video and other videos...the way you advertise is definitely all about sex-for money...it doesn't come right out and say that of course...but the video is showing a bunch of scantily clad extremely attractive 18 year old women writhing around on beds.  Now what is it you think men are going to be thinking, actually ONLY thinking of? 


Your denials on this count fall flat on their face.  If you can explain it to me in a reasonable way, I might agree, but I don't think you can, but I will try to keep an open mind this one time. 


Fathertime! 

[Zon]

- My exploits / experiences / adventures are not a fantasy. I assure you. No Walter Mitty here.

- Sexy Sells

- That video that was dug up today is 4 - 5 years old.  Back when the economy was good, I was marketing various tour products to the DR; Costa Rico.   These were male concentric  Divorce Recovery Seminars; Continuing Education Seminars for lawyers ... golf vacations for golf enthusiasts.   There was the allure of sexy in all of these programs.  And the attendees were able to find whatever side activities / excursions turned them on - sexy fishing; sexy golfing; bla bla bla ...

As you so astutely note, my Spanish is a work in progress, so I could not possibly fulfill these products.  I simply handled the marketing and sales.  All the activity on the ground was done by others. It is normal and everyday stuff.  Nothing out of the ordinary for any body.  In fact, it is very similar to what is happening this week in Cali at the TLC tours.  15 guys, 700 girls 60 translators.  High hopes.  Limited time - and much temptation.  Who here thinks things always go in a straight line?  I can tell you from first hand experience that the travel products I created and the Romance Tours are the same damn thing with a different wrapping.
So, let's take a long look in the mirror, shall we?

Some of you are inflamed at the thought that I had / have questionable associations.  It is true that some people judge me.   I just had a contractor in India quit because I gave him some topless photos to manipulate.  I will find another contractor.  These situations remind me of how judgmental people are, and how views and beliefs differ so radically between people and cultures.   Fuzzy thinks he is defending his family by waging a war against me.

But, I can EASILY imagine one of his judgmental neighbors harshly judging him for traveling to Colombia to get a wife in the first place!  "He went to Colombia to buy him a Mail Order Bride"  Which, sadly, is code word for hooker 9 times out of 10.  Let us not pretend that this does not happen ALL THE TIME.

So, we are all trapped in this fun house.   And, no I will not leave.

[fathertime]

  His attackers should be those that are banned, not his defenders.

So you are now telling Dan that he needs to ban those calling out zon real hard.  You are brand new here, that seems like a rather demanding statement for a 'newbie'to be making. 


Fathertime! 

[fathertime]

- My exploits / experiences / adventures are not a fantasy. I assure you. No Walter Mitty here.
 

So let me get this straight.  You are trying to brag about having sexual exploits with young ladies from South America.  That doesn't seem like something worth bragging about.

- Sexy Sells

- That video that was dug up today is 4 - 5 years old.  Back when the economy was good, I was marketing various tour products to the DR; Costa Rico.   These were male concentric  Divorce Recovery Seminars; Continuing Education Seminars for lawyers ... golf vacations for golf enthusiasts.   There was the allure of sexy in all of these programs.  And the attendees were able to find whatever side activities / excursions turned them on - sexy fishing; sexy golfing; bla bla bla ...

So if I'm uncerstanding you correctly, you are saying that you were trying to sell tours to recent divorcee's and continuing education for lawyers. So if a man was 50 and recently divorced, and somebody sold him an expensive tour and put a 20 something latina goddess in front of him I'm pretty sure that man would expect a quite a bit more than just to look at her and give her golfing tips. 


So what you are REALLY saying is that you facilitated something, as you put the two individuals in contact and whatever happened between them was their business.   I'm I reading this right so far?  I'm not making any judgement about the business, but I wanted to be clear on what it is. 


Fathertime! 

[innerperson]

Zon, you talk a lot about Colombian women being very dishonest  I am wondering if you draw a line as to what type of lies is acceptable and what is not.  For example, it has been posted you lie about your age on dating sites.  I assume this type of  lie is acceptable when starting a relationship with a woman.  What type of stuff has been unacceptable?

[Zon]

So let me get this straight.  You are trying to brag about having sexual exploits with young ladies from South America.  That doesn't seem like something worth bragging about.

Not bragging at all - although you take everything as a boast.  It is a fact.  As I reflect back on my last 5 years, it is not the sex that sticks out in my mind - IT WAS THE ADVENTURE.  So, my frame of reference is not only women, but LIFE - something you folks don't seem to entirely understand.

So if a man was 50 and recently divorced, and somebody sold him an expensive tour and put a 20 something latina goddess in front of him I'm pretty sure that man would expect a quite a bit more than just to look at her and give her golfing tips. 

The expensive tour was justified by the exotic location and the speakers and seminars.  Whatever else people found on their visit, was what they found.   Normal for the location.  Not normal for a cold and rainy Detroit, Chicago, New York.  Many guys ended up actually buying homes in the DR. Several developed romantic relationships - one even got married to a woman he met that weekend.  We still keep in touch.  In retrospect, it is very much like a Romance Tour, actually.   The women are very attracted to successful men, and the prospects of a better life. The men were very happy with the greater choices and freedoms they found.

Does this differ from your first time in Barranquilla?  Was your tour not "expensive", and were there not a variety of women somehow made available to you ... from a variety of backgrounds.  And I imagine you, and all the other clients had many hopes and expectations - EVEN ON YOUR FIRST TRIP - is this not true?

[Zon]

Zon, you talk a lot about Colombian women being very dishonest  I am wondering if you draw a line as to what type of lies is acceptable and what is not.  For example, it has been posted you lie about your age on dating sites.  I assume this type of  lie is acceptable when starting a relationship with a woman.  What type of stuff has been unacceptable?

It is more accurate to say that the truth is different in Colombia.  People say little white lies all the time, and it is considered RUDE to make claims and expose everything.  So, there is much that is just swept under the rug.    This is for men and women.

Lie about my age?  I was as concerned about my age 5 years ago as Father Time is now.   Really, I am already too old to have a "young love affair"   So, age does not matter to me.  Dating sites are a very ineffective way to meet women - IMO. Remember, attraction is not the age, it is the appearance, personality, and level of financial success (which does not have to be great).

[SkyNorth]

Zon...it is obvious what you were selling at the Castle's Cali & Caribe.  In reading Jamie's website and reading his posts.  I think Jamie's idea of meeting and courting a lady would be to leave the heart and the physical out of the relationship and choose based on every daily compatibility alone.
 
SO different from your businesses.

[fathertime]

The expensive tour was justified by the exotic location and the speakers and seminars.  Whatever else people found on their visit, was what they found.   Normal for the location.  Not normal for a cold and rainy Detroit, Chicago, New York.  Many guys ended up actually buying homes in the DR. Several developed romantic relationships - one even got married to a woman he met that weekend.  We still keep in touch.  In retrospect, it is very much like a Romance Tour, actually.   The women are very attracted to successful men, and the prospects of a better life. The men were very happy with the greater choices and freedoms they found.

Does this differ from your first time in Barranquilla?  Was your tour not "expensive", and were there not a variety of women somehow made available to you ... from a variety of backgrounds.  And I imagine you, and all the other clients had many hopes and expectations - EVEN ON YOUR FIRST TRIP - is this not true?

Well zon that all sounds like a gigantic sales pitch.  From what you are writing, It sure sounds like that a LOT of prostitution went on during these ‘seminars’.  Maybe one guy wound up getting married, that is believable I suppose. 
 
You appear to be thinking that membership here are a bunch of fools.  IF you actually would come clean with what was going on, it would be over with. I’m assuming nothing illegal took place.    The fact that you continue to pretend your tours were about seminars is laughable.  I’m sure men had a fun time on the tours, but I’m convinced you are NOT being truthful with what they were REALLY about.  I know you can always hide behind, ‘’I don’t know what happened behind closed doors’’ but it seems pretty clear you would turn a blind eye to that on purpose for some plausible deniability.  The odds of you having the courage (as you constantly accuse others of not having) to admit the truth about the company you set up, is very low.  Membership would probably be impressed (for once) if you said what you did and made no apologies, although I’d still give you a hard time.     Of course you are under no obligation, just a suggestion.


Fathertime!   

[fathertime]

Not bragging at all - although you take everything as a boast.  It is a fact.  As I reflect back on my last 5 years, it is not the sex that sticks out in my mind - IT WAS THE ADVENTURE.  So, my frame of reference is not only women, but LIFE - something you folks don't seem to entirely understand.

Actually you are bragging, but just trying to appear as if you aren't...just like in the video.  The thing is, I don't believe you on this count.  I'm sure there was some adventure, but I'm pretty sure the free sex was a lot more limited than you would like others to think.


Fathertime! 

[Zon]

There are many romance tour web sites.   Everything we are talking about comes down to packaging. 


Look, I have seen alot!    I have been in Thailand when a guy falls in love with a working woman, and they get married and live "happily ever after".   I have seen monsters in marriage agencies.  I have seen very very good girls working in web cam studios.   I have seen men on Romance Tours (and owners of tours and agencies) act like pigs to women.  I have seen owners of adult production companies behave like perfect gentlemen.  Its possible to make generalizations, but impossible to apply them to individuals.


And, most importantly, people change.  Sometimes women get married with the best of intentions, but the love never really becomes full - they change their mind. Is that really wrong?   Sometimes good husbands get burned, and write off marriage forever.  It takes all types.


I guess to get into the bloody details ... there were some companies that sold travel AND female companionship as a package.  That would be like selling a Romance Tour AND a wife.  This was something I never thought was a good idea for many good reasons.   

[Zon]

but I'm pretty sure the free sex was a lot more limited than you would like others to think.

There is NO SUCH THING as free sex

[SkyNorth]

No such thing as free sex...maybe not for a pencil necked geek!!!!!!

[fathertime]

There is NO SUCH THING as free sex

I'm not going to permit you to take refuge in one liners, when we are finally making progress.  Address the real issues.


Fathertime!   

[innerperson]

It is more accurate to say that the truth is different in Colombia.  People say little white lies all the time, and it is considered RUDE to make claims and expose everything.  So, there is much that is just swept under the rug.    This is for men and women.

Lie about my age?  I was as concerned about my age 5 years ago as Father Time is now.   Really, I am already too old to have a "young love affair"   So, age does not matter to me.  Dating sites are a very ineffective way to meet women - IMO. Remember, attraction is not the age, it is the appearance, personality, and level of financial success (which does not have to be great).

I tend to agree with dating sites.  Even if a person is attractive, their attitude can make them ugly very fast.


Zon, you are 46 or 48?  Maybe you don't age!  Let's not pretend you don't lie about your age pal.    I don't have a problem with it, but no need to lie which is the reason people don't believe you.

[SkyNorth]

Guys...actually lying about ones age plus or minus a year is a good thing on the internet, because if a hacker get your DOB SSN etc. you are totally screwed.

[innerperson]

Guys...actually lying about ones age plus or minus a year is a good thing on the internet, because if a hacker get your DOB SSN etc. you are totally screwed.

Personally, I have no problem with shaving a few years off on a dating profile.  Fair game since so many women do the same thing.  I think white lies are told everywhere by everyone.  I just think it is strange to be talking about dishonesty when you are doing the same.

I think Zon could shave a few more years off.  Why go with 46 when you can be 43?   

[SkyNorth]

That's right I've been 39 for the last 6 years.   HA HA HA HA!!!

[Researcher]

So you are now telling Dan that he needs to ban those calling out zon real hard.  You are brand new here, that seems like a rather demanding statement for a 'newbie'to be making. 


Fathertime!

    It is mighty fishy for any newbie to take such an interest in zonny boy. I think the Admins here would do well in looking into Zon's sock puppets. They seem to be getting numerous.