To those who've used Jamie's agency .... Latin-Wife

[Zon]

Well, Fuzzy .. at least I can imagine where you are coming from now!  You assume that I was injuring and abusing young woman, and that you projected fathership.  And, FT, you scream Victorian sensibilities of a man courting a woman in the 1850's!

Everybody has their own perspective. 

I am not experienced in marriage - ESPECIALLY compared to a guy like FT that has tried so often, and so hard (LOL - you deserved that).   But, I have lived wide and hard these last couple years.   To listen to you guys, it is as if I have been walking around the planet with a Pinocchio outfit - while all the people laugh at me! hahahaha    And, from my perspective, I see thing almost the opposite.   

Perhaps there may be truth in all perspectives ... it is for each person - or reader here - to decide. 

[Fuzzyone]

Well, Fuzzy .. at least I can imagine where you are coming from now!  You assume that I was injuring and abusing young woman, and that you projected fathership.  And, FT, you scream Victorian sensibilities of a man courting a woman in the 1850's!

Everybody has their own perspective. 

I am not experienced in marriage - ESPECIALLY compared to a guy like FT that has tried so often, and so hard (LOL - you deserved that).   But, I have lived wide and hard these last couple years.   To listen to you guys, it is as if I have been walking around the planet with a Pinocchio outfit - while all the people laugh at me! hahahaha    And, from my perspective, I see thing almost the opposite.   

Perhaps there may be truth in all perspectives ... it is for each person - or reader here - to decide. 

  As usual anything said goes totally over your head then then I kinda figured I was dealing with someone special real special. I have delt with guys like you for years all you have to do is read your post and wonder what is Zon really up too? I mean really in post you state most Colombian woman cheat so why would any one want to marry a Colombian woman if most of them cheat? It sounds like the excuse a thief stated in court "well she left the door open I just thought she wanted me to steal everything"


   

[fathertime]

    But, I have lived wide and hard these last couple years.   To listen to you guys, it is as if I have been walking around the planet with a Pinocchio outfit - while all the people laugh at me! hahahaha    And, from my perspective, I see thing almost the opposite.   

Perhaps there may be truth in all perspectives ... it is for each person - or reader here - to decide. 

well zon from my perspective i don't think you have been living 'wide and hard' whatever that means?the impression i get is that you wanna give the impression that you have been out with oddles of beautiful women...but it seems to me that you are mostly a brooding homebody that took a few staged photos and threw them out on the internet.  i just think you would have a better feeling about the ladies if your experience was the way you try to imply it has been...   


now as far as perspective about yourself, you are almost always off bigtime,  take for example what you call your 'vastly'improved spanish that if you used it in a kindergarten class the teacher would put the dunce cap on you and rap you  with a ruler on the knuckles.


i think you have a better chance of being truthful with the ladies if you are truthful with yourself first! don't you think?


Fathertime! 

[Zon]

=> Both you guys are over sensitive. When I point out negative generalities about Colombians, or Colombian women (even though other posters do too.  and the little stubborn fact that those generalities are observed by 100% of gringos living in Colombia be they missionaries or players).  It is almost like you feel I am insulting your extended family.


=> Both of you guys have married a woman in Colombia and brought her back to the USA, where the gender roles are not very flattering to men.  You assume that such a model is the "Right and Only Way."  Thus, the Victorian analogy.  ( And, by the way, I am not in any way suggesting that a man should not be loyal and gentlemanly to women).


=> Both you guys presume I try to paint another picture of myself than is real.  FT thinks I am a lonely heart.  And, that I am only living to get married.  Further, there is this idea that men travel to other places only to live out their fantasies because it is more easy there. (not exactly true).  And, perhaps worst of all, you guys don't seem to get the fact that I am single!  I am a bachelor!  Nothing wrong with enjoying some of my days and nights.  It does not RUIN me if and when Ms. Right comes along (which I admit seems to be a diminishing possibility.


=> Such endless charges and suspicions. Why not accept that we are coming from this at two different perspectives?  It is like the politics in America where both sides must be extreme.


And, why the heck don't any of you post photos of your life so people can get a sense of who you are, rather than just blind avatars?  It is hard to form judgments otherwise.

[Calipro]

=> Both you guys are over sensitive. When I point out negative generalities about Colombians, or Colombian women (even though other posters do too.  and the little stubborn fact that those generalities are observed by 100% of gringos living in Colombia be they missionaries or players).  It is almost like you feel I ma insulting your extended family.


=> Both of you guys have married a woman in Colombia and brought her back to the USA, where the gender roles are not very flattering to men.  You assume that such a model is the "Right and Only Way."  Thus, the Victorian analogy.  ( And, by the way, I am not in any way suggesting that a man should not be loyal and gentlemanly to women).


=> Both you guys presume I try to paint another picture of myself than is real.  FT thinks I am a lonely heart.  And, that I am only living to get married.  Further, there is this idea that men travel to other places only to live out their fantasies because it is more easy there. (not exactly true).  And, perhaps worst of all, you guys don't seem to get the fact that I am single!  I am a bachelor!  Nothing wrong with enjoying some of my days and nights.  It does not RUIN me if and when Ms. Right comes along (which I admit seems to be a diminishing possibility.


=> Such endless charges and suspicions. Why not accept that we are coming from this at two different perspectives?  It is like the politics in America where both sides must be extreme.


And, why the heck don't any of you post photos of your life so people can get a sense of who you are, rather than just blind avatars?  It is hard to form judgments otherwise.

I think when people debate they tend to exaggerate their positions to make their points.


I don't think that your views are wrong .....I mean how can they be....they are based on your own anecdotal experiences and I think FT's views are based on the fact that he has had an overwhelmingly positive experience in Colombia. We can all debate whether it was his stunning intellectual insight and social skills that account for his success or just blind luck until hell freezes over and never get a definitive answer. You like to point out that you think he is lucky and he likes to point out that he thinks you are a loser.


I think the board cuts me a bit more slack when it comes to getting critical of some Colombianas because I let it be know from time to time that I actually don't have a problem finding women that I like spending all of my time with in Colombia.


Even I have read some of your posts and wondered if you have really had that rough of a go at it in Colombia..... because you tend to focus on the negatives more than the positives.....could be you are just trying to be the counter weight to FT's overtly rosy view of Colombia..... but it probably wouldn't hurt to let people know that you have had some mutually satisfying relationships with  Colombianas from time to time.


Pics would be nice for guys that have never been to Colombia and would like to get some idea of how far you can stretch the age and looks gap before it snaps back in your face.


When Pete E. had his place in Cali often times he would have get together's where guys could see what a lot of the other gringos had hooked up with. Most of the guys lived in Cali and were in their 60's but it was still nice to see what one might expect to have when they have gone completely expat in their later years. Now you don't see any of that in Cali anymore.


When a guy wants to know what he might reasonably expect to pull out of Colombia I show him the marriage agency websites and tell him this is the bottom.....the better your spanish and the better looking you are....it will only get better from there. If you can't get a second date from a marriage agency chick try another country,,,,, if the hottest agency chicks are falling all over you...... start smiling at model types in the malls. LOL!!

[Fuzzyone]

I think when people debate they tend to exaggerate their positions to make their points.


I don't think that your views are wrong .....I mean how can they be....they are based on your own anecdotal experiences and I think FT's views are based on the fact that he has had an overwhelmingly positive experience in Colombia. We can all debate whether it was his stunning intellectual insight and social skills that account for his success or just blind luck until hell freezes over and never get a definitive answer. You like to point out that you think he is lucky and he likes to point out that he thinks you are a loser.


I think the board cuts me a bit more slack when it comes to getting critical of some Colombianas because I let it be know from time to time that I actually don't have a problem finding women that I like spending all of my time with in Colombia.


Even I have read some of your posts and wondered if you have really had that rough of a go at it in Colombia..... because you tend to focus on the negatives more than the positives.....could be you are just trying to be the counter weight to FT's overtly rosy view of Colombia..... but it probably wouldn't hurt to let people know that you have had some mutually satisfying relationships with  Colombianas from time to time.


Pics would be nice for guys that have never been to Colombia and would like to get some idea of how far you can stretch the age and looks gap before it snaps back in your face.


When Pete E. had his place in Cali often times he would have get together's where guys could see what a lot of the other gringos had hooked up with. Most of the guys lived in Cali and were in their 60's but it was still nice to see what one might expect to have when they have gone completely expat in their later years. Now you don't see any of that in Cali anymore.


When a guy wants to know what he might reasonably expect to pull out of Colombia I show him the marriage agency websites and tell him this is the bottom.....the better your spanish and the better looking you are....it will only get better from there. If you can't get a second date from a marriage agency chick try another country,,,,, if the hottest agency chicks are falling all over you...... start smiling at model types in the malls. LOL!!

  Calipro


    You have changed a heck o a lot compared when you first showed up and one thing I can say for you is you have learned from any mistake that you have made.

[Zon]

Even I have read some of your posts and wondered if you have really had that rough of a go at it in Colombia..... because you tend to focus on the negatives more than the positives.....could be you are just trying to be the counter weight to FT's overtly rosy view of Colombia..... but it probably wouldn't hurt to let people know that you have had some mutually satisfying relationships with  Colombianas from time to time.

Funny how that works!  I can understand how it happens, however.  I have been on defense here from almost day 1.  There use to be some active posters that gave me some crap for not being "player" enough.  Then, more recently, for being too much.  watchagonnado?


For the record!  Colombia, and some special Colombian women, gave me a brand new lease on life.  I fell in love many times with the people and the places.   And, even though I state negative observations, and a cautious tone, it is a place where anybody can find whatever they are seeking.  I ALWAYS find special people to spend time with, in every city, in every strata.   It just depends on luck, and happenstance.  I have never used marriage agencies in Colombia - not any particular reason for it.   I have used online sites a little.   It is just as easy to go to a mall, cantina, or church IMO.


Have I ever met a woman that I wanted to make my wife in Colombia?  No.  Would it be possible?  Yes.

[Calipro]

Funny how that works!  I can understand how it happens, however.  I have been on defense here from almost day 1.  There use to be some active posters that gave me some crap for not being "player" enough.  Then, more recently, for being too much.  watchagonnado?


For the record!  Colombia, and some special Colombian women, gave me a brand new lease on life.  I fell in love many times with the people and the places.   And, even though I state negative observations, and a cautious tone, it is a place where anybody can find whatever they are seeking.  I ALWAYS find special people to spend time with, in every city, in every strata.   It just depends on luck, and happenstance.  I have never used marriage agencies in Colombia - not any particular reason for it.   I have used online sites a little.   It is just as easy to go to a mall, cantina, or church IMO.


Have I ever met a woman that I wanted to make my wife in Colombia?  No.  Would it be possible?  Yes.

  To tell you the truth I don't know what more anyone could expect from you or anyone else on this board....most guys out there can't even seem to get there ass off the couch....at least you come out swinging.


I  see a lot of guys my age that have pretty much given up on life.....or at least have given up on the fight to make their lives as good as it can be.


I think we should all be applauding guys that travel abroad to explore their options even if marriage isn't the first thing on their minds.


I'm surprised to see the trend on other boards of younger and younger guys going abroad just to date foreign women....the thought of moving away from american chicks  didn't really seem like a good idea to me until I hit my mid 30's.                             

[fathertime]

Funny how that works!  I can understand how it happens, however.  I have been on defense here from almost day 1.  There use to be some active posters that gave me some crap for not being "player" enough.  Then, more recently, for being too much.  watchagonnado?


For the record!  Colombia, and some special Colombian women, gave me a brand new lease on life.  I fell in love many times with the people and the places.   And, even though I state negative observations, and a cautious tone, it is a place where anybody can find whatever they are seeking.  I ALWAYS find special people to spend time with, in every city, in every strata.   It just depends on luck, and happenstance.  I have never used marriage agencies in Colombia - not any particular reason for it.   I have used online sites a little.   It is just as easy to go to a mall, cantina, or church IMO.


Have I ever met a woman that I wanted to make my wife in Colombia?  No.  Would it be possible?  Yes.

To this day I don't think you have been honest and I think you know that to be quite true....for whatever reason your main concern has been the image you present, which i don't think is portrayed accurately here.  You are not prepared to be married because it appears to me that you are extremely self-centered.  With that as the backdrop, I don't think many of your opinions about the ladies hold much water.  You are still not viewed seriously. I sorta see you as a silly overgrown 50 year old kid that needs a lot more guidance on how to behave in order to get what you really want. 


Fathertime!

[Fuzzyone]

To this day I don't think you have been honest and I think you know that to be quite true....for whatever reason your main concern has been the image you present, which i don't think is portrayed accurately here.  You are not prepared to be married because it appears to me that you are extremely self-centered.  With that as the backdrop, I don't think many of your opinions about the ladies hold much water.  You are still not viewed seriously. I sorta see you as a silly overgrown 50 year old kid that needs a lot more guidance on how to behave in order to get what you really want. 


Fathertime!

  Zon


    When you first showed up and started posting I did not see anyone giving you crap except you didn't know how to spell Colombia which is no surprise. Several of us give you crap now because for a guy that claims he loves the people in Colombia you are very negative on the entire country. I mean really all the woman cheat? My wife loved that one. In fact she basically said the same as I have been stating, hang out with woman that want nothing but your money and that is all you get.

[fathertime]

 

 


I don't think that your views are wrong .....I mean how can they be....they are based on your own anecdotal experiences and I think FT's views are based on the fact that he has had an overwhelmingly positive experience in Colombia. We can all debate whether it was his stunning intellectual insight and social skills that account for his success or just blind luck until hell freezes over and never get a definitive answer. You like to point out that you think he is lucky and he likes to point out that he thinks you are a loser.

Ha! i like how that sounds even if it isn't entirely accurate.  I think i picked up a lot of information and experience with my first trips to colombia and was in the right mindset when my spectacular wife came along.
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Fathertime!

[Fuzzyone]

Ha! i like how that sounds even if it isn't entirely accurate.  I think i picked up a lot of information and experience with my first trips to colombia and was in the right mindset when my spectacular wife came along.



  I think F.T. you are just a example of a man who put his mind to work researching and reading everything you could on this. I mean you could have got lucky but I had a feeling back then when you hit Barranquilla you would meet that special woman. I mean it might have been different if all you were doing was going down to Colombia to film whores then of course you would have failed right?


oneanddone!






Fathertime!

[Zon]

  Zon
When you first showed up and started posting I did not see anyone giving you crap except you didn't know how to spell Colombia which is no surprise. Several of us give you crap now because for a guy that claims he loves the people in Colombia you are very negative on the entire country. I mean really all the woman cheat? My wife loved that one. In fact she basically said the same as I have been stating, hang out with woman that want nothing but your money and that is all you get.

Colombia entered my life at the right time for me to get something special.  I don't think many of you want to hear more than that.  I have spent a fair amount of time in several cities of Colombia over the last four years, and each time, I was in a different mental place / mood.  It is no wonder you see a lack of consistency - that was not my plan.

And ... MOST attractive people have multiple romantic relationships in Colombia - especially capable men - DING DONG!  You want to live in a FANTASY LAND?  Women get their groove on too.  Much more sexual energy in the air in Colombia than anything in the USA.

The men I know that have good stable relationships ... run their marriage like a business (not a coin laundry, but something that gets managed aggressively).

NOW, I spent much time in Medellin too - this place is more deceptive than other locations.  just ask a Colombian!  Or, do you want to live in FANTASY LAND?
====

That is what you are up against ... It does not mean you can't find good people - especially in smaller cities / upper classes.

[Fuzzyone]

Colombia entered my life at the right time for me to get something special.  I don't think many of you want to hear more than that.  I have spent a fair amount of time in several cities of Colombia over the last four years, and each time, I was in a different mental place / mood.  It is no wonder you see a lack of consistency - that was not my plan.

And ... MOST attractive people have multiple romantic relationships in Colombia - especially capable men - DING DONG!  You want to live in a FANTASY LAND?  Women get their groove on too.  Much more sexual energy in the air in Colombia than anything in the USA.

The men I know that have good stable relationships ... run their marriage like a business (not a coin laundry, but something that gets managed aggressively).

NOW, I spent much time in Medellin too - this place is more deceptive than other locations.  just ask a Colombian!  Or, do you want to live in FANTASY LAND?
====

That is what you are up against ... It does not mean you can't find good people - especially in smaller cities / upper classes.

  You are not responding to what yourself posted. I think maybe that was over on the russian board that members over there were calling you pimp right?


  oneandone

[fathertime]

Colombia entered my life at the right time for me to get something special.  I don't think many of you want to hear more than that.  I have spent a fair amount of time in several cities of Colombia over the last four years, and each time, I was in a different mental place / mood.  It is no wonder you see a lack of consistency - that was not my plan.

subjecting women to different moods all the time? sounds like maybe you have been drinking to much estrogen.

And ... MOST attractive people have multiple romantic relationships in Colombia - especially capable men - DING DONG!  You want to live in a FANTASY LAND?  Women get their groove on too.  Much more sexual energy in the air in Colombia than anything in the USA.

one problem with all of this is you don't come across as being very capable..another thing is why would these colombian babes be interested in releasing their sexual energy with a tipsy old guy who can't speak the language?  i'm sure a couple ladies fell for your line of bs, but i think you are trying to create a FANTASYLAND about yourself.

NOW, I spent much time in Medellin too - this place is more deceptive than other locations.  just ask a Colombian!  Or, do you want to live in FANTASY LAND?

Considering how insincere you probably came across with your self-importance and all your moods, who is to blame the Colombian ladies for trying to get what they could out of you, while giving you as little as possible in return?




All in all it sounds to me like you tried to use the Colombian ladies as your toilet and they a few of them crapped on you along the way. 


Fathertime! 

[Fuzzyone]

Colombia entered my life at the right time for me to get something special.  I don't think many of you want to hear more than that.  I have spent a fair amount of time in several cities of Colombia over the last four years, and each time, I was in a different mental place / mood.  It is no wonder you see a lack of consistency - that was not my plan.

And ... MOST attractive people have multiple romantic relationships in Colombia - especially capable men - DING DONG!  You want to live in a FANTASY LAND?  Women get their groove on too.  Much more sexual energy in the air in Colombia than anything in the USA.

The men I know that have good stable relationships ... run their marriage like a business (not a coin laundry, but something that gets managed aggressively).

NOW, I spent much time in Medellin too - this place is more deceptive than other locations.  just ask a Colombian!  Or, do you want to live in FANTASY LAND?
====

That is what you are up against ... It does not mean you can't find good people - especially in smaller cities / upper classes.

   Why do you not just tell everyone the truth instead of twisting things as usual? I get members here too that like to send me little tidbits about you and they really would love it if you shut the heck up once in your life, by the way A.J. sends his complements!

[Zon]

You are not responding to what yourself posted. I think maybe that was over on the russian board that members over there were calling you pimp right?

Whispers and half- truths are for women!

Have I ever sold pussy?  NO
Have I ever managed a brothel? NO (if you knew me, you would know I am a terrible manager of staff)
Have I ever sold drugs? NO
Have I ever owned a casino? NO


In the past I have been a partner in hotels, web sites, and cam studios - all very legal affairs (not as if such details matter to you)  I have not had ownership in any of these for greater than 4 years.   Since then I have been a consultant.


So, what are you trying to say EXACTLY?!?  Inference is for women!

[Zon]

And, this is the best medicine for a whisper campaign.   WHO ARE YOU?  I think it is so cowardly to talk, expose, and proclaim without the slightest amount of disclosure.  ALL THE WHILE REQUIRING IT OF OTHERS

[Fuzzyone]

Whispers and half- truths are for women!

Have I ever sold pussy?  NO
Have I ever managed a brothel? NO (if you knew me, you would know I am a terrible manager of staff)
Have I ever sold drugs? NO
Have I ever owned a casino? NO


In the past I have been a partner in hotels, web sites, and cam studios - all very legal affairs (not as if such details matter to you)  I have not had ownership in any of these for greater than 4 years.   Since then I have been a consultant.


So, what are you trying to say EXACTLY?!?  Inference is for women!

  I don't know about that.... on the russian side you were called pimped what was that all about?  Legal is a slippery slop which you all ready know right? 4 years? Like I said before the truth seems to be no where to be found.


  It is not whisper campaign it does not have to be because several members here enjoy seeing you try to twist really what you have been doing. After the holidays if you end up in NYC send me a message I will meet you there and say to your face what I think. Don't take this for a threat because I don't have to lay my hands on anyone and I sure will not waste my time on you.


  http://www.adultseminars.com/adult-lesson-4


posted in aug 2012 watch the entire thing so at least you have something laugh at right Playboy traveler?


oneandone!

[Calipro]

  You are not responding to what yourself posted. I think maybe that was over on the russian board that members over there were calling you pimp right?


  oneandone

 I think you might have crossed a line here ....but insults by innuendo are always so vague that  one  can never be sure. LOL!!!

[Calipro]

  I don't know about that.... on the russian side you were called pimped what was that all about?  Legal is a slippery slop which you all ready know right? 4 years? Like I said before the truth seems to be no where to be found.


  It is not whisper campaign it does not have to be because several members here enjoy seeing you try to twist really what you have been doing. After the holidays if you end up in NYC send me a message I will meet you there and say to your face what I think. Don't take this for a threat because I don't have to lay my hands on anyone and I sure will not waste my time on you.


  http://www.adultseminars.com/adult-lesson-4


posted in aug 2012 watch the entire thing so at least you have something laugh at right Playboy traveler?


oneandone!

When you posted that I had changed a lot.....I almost responded that I think the board had changed a lot....it's been years since I've seen a post like this.       


Do you really think Zon is has engaged in some kind of criminal activity?

[Zon]

You guys want to create a make believe land - do it for yourself.

I do many things ... one I am sure FO / FT would object to is AdultSeminars.com Get in the Adult Industry For Fun and Profit.  I target internet traffic of guys that buy penis enlargement, testosterone pills, and GULP International dating / marriage traffic.  These traffic sources fill my squeeze pages and sales pages.

Do you think I should have asked for your permission?  Do you think that I care you may object?

And, I am sure a guy like you THINKS I am crazy because women would think I am scum, right?   Well, look around buddy!  Most of the adult industry that is making good profits targets couples - women.  Mommyporn - Shades of Grey - was the big winner in 2012.  BUT, I AM SURE YOUR HOUSEHOLD KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT THAT!  Some woman (many actually) like me MORE because what I do / have done - not less.

IS THIS YOUR BIG SMOKING GUN?  LOL

Here is a piece of a promo that I did over the internet LAST MONTH - "How to pick up a porn star in 3 easy moves".   Here is another image that was widely circulated last month too - Zon Zon with a young starlet before an awards show. BOTTOM LINE:  I am a single guy.  I have no children.  I work more than anyone else I know.  If I want to go and blow off a little steam from time to time whothe[snip] are you to judge me?

I mean seriously.  Think about it.

Many single men would pull their eyeball out to have the choices I have every day ... the others need to join ChristianSingles.com

Now, do you really feel it is necessary, classy, proportionate, or justified, for you to speak in inference / tonge in check about criminal activity?!?!?  Is this not exactly what burned witches in Salem?  Happy not to be on your buddy list!

[Zon]

And, I can imagine FT now making a post saying I LOOK 60 years old!  HAHAHAHA

I think it would be very appropriate for any of you to post an image of yourselves to put a face with an opinion - anything else is really very cowardly after making such personal claims behind a masks.

[Calipro]

Zon has revealed more about his professional and private life in one fail swoop than anybody here.


Now, I think it is only fair that FuzzyOne save Zon the price of an airplane ticket to NYC and tell him here..... what he would have told him to his face. jajaja

[innerperson]

In the past I have been a partner in hotels, web sites, and cam studios - all very legal affairs (not as if such details matter to you)  I have not had ownership in any of these for greater than 4 years.   Since then I have been a consultant.


So, what are you trying to say EXACTLY?!?  Inference is for women!

Brought to you by the Russian forum.

4 - 5 years ago I did move internet traffic. I continue to create and promote seminars to high risk business, of which Adult is a part. But, I never owned and operated anything (I hate to manage things in the real world - especially people).    I made my most money with affiliate deals with AshleyMadison - a site dedicated to married people cheating; and the penis enlargement thing was big for a while too.   This neither made me a cheating spouse, nor a penis enlargement customer ... the logic of which seems to be different than the kind that some of you use.

I believe being a partner is having ownership if I remember business law correctly.  The reason people don't believe you is because you are not honest.