To those who've used Jamie's agency .... Latin-Wife

[Fuzzyone]

Snipes, intolerance, and excessive argument is what this place is mostly comprised of.  A few threads back, some of the most active members took a little break - and did you notice - people began to post deeper, more revealing, and more useful comments and perspectives !?!?


FT has made a picture of me that he feels a need to constantly correct.  My avatar here represents the perfect poster boy for an American that goes abroad and gets sucked into the excesses of a particular place, losses track of time, and dies lonely and broke ... the corpse decaying in a [snip]y apartment for days before the staff even notices.


There was a time - 3 to 4 months - that most members here posted very negatively about a TR I made.  (Doing investigation into my private life, business going years back, making assumptions and drawing conclusions).  Then, Calipro comes back to the board after a little break and writs a nice post that said virutally the same fricken thing I was saying ... and everybody stands up and applauded.  Thus, my positive references on CP.


Any snipes I make here is regarding the double standards at work sometimes, or the intolerance to any other subject or issue other than finding a wife at the speed of light, bringing her back to the USA, and having children.  Why? Not because I am against such things!  It is just that they only tangentially relate to my interests. 


 

   For some reason you just seem to be stuck on stupid I really do not know where you got it in your head anyone here thinks that a man should get married at light speed after visiting Colombia or any other country for that matter. I also have not heard from any member here except for a select few that have had children with their spouse so who are you calling out again with one of those dry snipes of yours? Come on dude say it for once tell us who you are talking about? I know it is not me so who else are you talking about?


   You real problem is you got caught doing something you yourself were not very proud of doing and from your post above still have a problem admitting to. If that was not the truth you would have not gone back and started to erase your blog bragging about your activites. When several of us caught you in your lies you still could not come forward and admit it only to whine "ohhhh that was years ago" When you know and others here know that you were still involved in the business up to the point we finally caught up to you. You can go back and erase all you want but it still does not get rid of the fact of what you really were doing in S.A. One last thing there was no assumptions or conclusions about you it was right on target about what you were pulling, you can try to twist it anyway you want but everything was posted here and else where that pretty much spelled out you. So stop lying to the posters here and to your self!

[Micky]

" Oh by the wife I think you should go back to learning spanish the above quote had the verb wrong! If you are going to post in spanish try to get it right or close! "  -  Fuzzyone


 " I was justing pointing out how good your spanish was, most gringos try to avoid posting their poor language skills here since it makes them look like a rookie! "  -  Fuzzyone


Really?  That is a VERY strange way to point out how good someones Spanish is.

You guys had your very own thread,  in the flame room,  so now it is exported to the thread about Jamies.

The same repetitive dribble.  It is not helpfull to anyone,  save your little weak azz,  childish egos.  It has been pointed out,  ad finium -  We are all aware that Zon is almost 50 (and has been almost 50 for the last two years),  Zon has horrible Spanish.  Zon is pretty much the devil incarnate,  we ALL get that now.  I think it is a good thing that Jimmy Swaggert and Pat Robertson are using screen names.

Micky

[mudd]

You guys had your very own thread,  in the flame room,  so now it is exported to the thread about Jamies.

here here, get of this post and go to the flame room, as usual, the post went into a completely different direction. 

[Fuzzyone]

here here, get of this post and go to the flame room, as usual, the post went into a completely different direction. 

  I think the both of you need to go back and read the post I did not bring up Zon's past until he started whining again about his past being dug up which I did say anything about until then. I will be honest to say that this went off topic a long time ago right?

[robert angel]

The same repetitive dribble.  It is not helpful to anyone,  save your little weak azz,  childish egos.  It has been pointed out,  ad finium -  We are all aware that Zon is almost 50 (and has been almost 50 for the last two years),  Zon has horrible Spanish.  Zon is pretty much the devil incarnate,  we ALL get that now.  I think it is a good thing that Jimmy Swaggert and Pat Robertson are using screen names.

Micky

Especially as of late, sometimes the 'repetitve dribble' is about the only posting going on here, save for an occasional post that goes no where. Seems Zon eats it up w/o taking it too seriously--creds to him for not spitting fire back--it's like politics in a way.
 
Seems Dennis used to get irritated more, but however and whatever, responding to the same old line of criticisms time after time just keeps them going. At least it's not as nasty and with all the 'na nanna boo boo' name calling we used to see, but  seriously this place lately really lacks diversity and humor. Just my opinion anyway.
 
My way is definitely not the right way for most people, that's for sure. The older I get, the more reluctant I am to give advice to people I know in real life.

[fathertime]

  So all of us guys that are married are frozen in time? I got news for you I never knew what is going to happen until I wake in the morning and even then it is still subject to change.
 

yeah fuzzy you are frozen in time so what are you doing posting still, you should have icicles forming all around you!

" Oh by the wife I think you should go back to learning spanish the above quote had the verb wrong! If you are going to post in spanish try to get it right or close! "  -  Fuzzyone


 " I was justing pointing out how good your spanish was, most gringos try to avoid posting their poor language skills here since it makes them look like a rookie! "  -  Fuzzyone


Really?  That is a VERY strange way to point out how good someones Spanish is.

You guys had your very own thread,  in the flame room,  so now it is exported to the thread about Jamies.

The same repetitive dribble.  It is not helpfull to anyone,  save your little weak azz,  childish egos.  It has been pointed out,  ad finium -  We are all aware that Zon is almost 50 (and has been almost 50 for the last two years),  Zon has horrible Spanish.  Zon is pretty much the devil incarnate,  we ALL get that now.  I think it is a good thing that Jimmy Swaggert and Pat Robertson are using screen names.

Micky

now you have done it zon you got micky the greeter saying your spanish is terrible.   now if he wasn't constantly trying to enable your silliness it might do you better, unless you wanna be a 60 year old taking on a wife and her kid.since you forgot to make any of  your own.

I wish you would grow the[snip]up.   I referenced Calipro in the past, but he is hardly my mentor.  I could have just as easily referenced Benijo, or a host of other well balanced gringos that post here on LIVING and CULTURE, as well as rommance.   They are not single issue posters.


I was not trying to INSULT FatherTime!  I was saying that everybody hopes for the best on the day of their marriage.  I mentioned a truth that most men go abroad because of a DO-OVER, or a second, third, or fourth try. 


It is a very relevant point.  But, you would prefer to only see insults and name calling.  What purpose do you actually seek to advance?  Everyone knows you object to me.  It should be obvious that I could not care less.

now i have to let the mystery deepen some more about all these marriages and 'do overs' i have had...i may have let it slip out in the past about all my prior marriage(s) but as robertangle said it is 'top secret' information now.  Now I actually don't see how this 'privaledged' informatoins relates to your point,  but nice try! 

FT has made a picture of me that he feels a need to constantly correct.  My avatar here represents the perfect poster boy for an American that goes abroad and gets sucked into the excesses of a particular place, losses track of time, and dies lonely and broke ... the corpse decaying in a [snip]y apartment for days before the staff even notices.


   

that was actually one of more humorous characterizations of yourself.  it may be true i don't know...i just figure you continue to need an attitude adjustment to have a reasonable chance of success with a woman. remember to stop blaming anybody but yourself for the situation you find yourself in. 


Fathertime!

[Zon]

now i have to let the mystery deepen some more about all these marriages and 'do overs' i have had...i may have let it slip out in the past about all my prior marriage(s) but as robertangle said it is 'top secret' information now.  Now I actually don't see how this 'privaledged' informatoins relates to your point,  but nice try!

Dude, I understand we have different perspectives on things.  But I am not arguing with you, or insulting you.  I don't care if you were married once, or 5 times.  I, like most men, imagine being in a wonderful marriage with an exceptional woman ... just like the fairy tales.  BUT, the truth is such things are rare (and to be more sober, we have to "work" on marriages to make them successful.  Fairy tales are only Fairy Tales). 


My point is - and almost always is - marriage, in an of itself, should not be the definition of a man's life.  There is a tendency here to emphasize any old marriage.  And, I think to myself:  how many of us were married, how many times?  Did that really deliver on the promise / hype?


The answer is no.


So, lucky, effort, and careful consideration plays into this.

[Jeff S]

I was only married once, still am - and though it got off to a kind of rocky start, it did indeed live up to the promise. I have a life partner who takes care of me, and I her, and we team up to make life a lot better than being alone. Lucky? Good preparation? Clever analysis? I don't know - probably some of all of it.

[fathertime]

Dude, I understand we have different perspectives on things.  But I am not arguing with you, or insulting you.  I don't care if you were married once, or 5 times.  I, like most men, imagine being in a wonderful marriage with an exceptional woman ... just like the fairy tales.  BUT, the truth is such things are rare (and to be more sober, we have to "work" on marriages to make them successful.  Fairy tales are only Fairy Tales). 


My point is - and almost always is - marriage, in an of itself, should not be the definition of a man's life.  There is a tendency here to emphasize any old marriage.  And, I think to myself:  how many of us were married, how many times?  Did that really deliver on the promise / hype?


The answer is no.


So, lucky, effort, and careful consideration plays into this.

you are preaching to the choir...i'was not arguing any of these points about marriage being work...as a matter of fact i think you are now stating many of the points i was stating in years past.  the reality is you can have a very nice marriage with a younger babe from colombia but you focus your complaints too much on them and forget that you are the one pouting your lip out and acting like you are a little better then the ladies, and being fussy.   


Fathertime! 

[Fuzzyone]

Dude, I understand we have different perspectives on things.  But I am not arguing with you, or insulting you.  I don't care if you were married once, or 5 times.  I, like most men, imagine being in a wonderful marriage with an exceptional woman ... just like the fairy tales.  BUT, the truth is such things are rare (and to be more sober, we have to "work" on marriages to make them successful.  Fairy tales are only Fairy Tales). 


My point is - and almost always is - marriage, in an of itself, should not be the definition of a man's life.  There is a tendency here to emphasize any old marriage.  And, I think to myself:  how many of us were married, how many times?  Did that really deliver on the promise / hype?


The answer is no.


So, lucky, effort, and careful consideration plays into this.

   Well Robert and you seem to worry about how many times certain members here have been married. It also seems to weigh on you mind deeply that all Colombian wife cheat and unfaithful. I was kinda wonder what is your take on woman here in the good old USA? I think your statement is very broad and do you think maybe it is because of the type of woman you hang out with? Try to be honest with your self if they love the pesos they will go out with just about anyone and have no loyalty to anyone.


   There is not a member here that will not admit that marriage is work no matter how it is put. There really is no luck in this matter, if you feel that way you will be a old prevert living in Colombia alone.

[Fuzzyone]

" Oh by the wife I think you should go back to learning spanish the above quote had the verb wrong! If you are going to post in spanish try to get it right or close! "  -  Fuzzyone


 " I was justing pointing out how good your spanish was, most gringos try to avoid posting their poor language skills here since it makes them look like a rookie! "  -  Fuzzyone


Really?  That is a VERY strange way to point out how good someones Spanish is.

You guys had your very own thread,  in the flame room,  so now it is exported to the thread about Jamies.

The same repetitive dribble.  It is not helpfull to anyone,  save your little weak azz,  childish egos.  It has been pointed out,  ad finium -  We are all aware that Zon is almost 50 (and has been almost 50 for the last two years),  Zon has horrible Spanish.  Zon is pretty much the devil incarnate,  we ALL get that now.  I think it is a good thing that Jimmy Swaggert and Pat Robertson are using screen names.

Micky

Busting chops a little.  My being married and not being a player really has nothing to do with my views of "the Gringo in Colombia"  or whatever foreign land they my be in.  You are HERE,  from what I do know about you,  you date with pretty realistic expections AND keep things within realistic bounds.  I have NO problem with guys,  such as yourself,  you are respectful of the people and country.  You are not one of "those" (blank,  blank,  you know how much I curse) fools that chase the "young" girls,  and living in a fools paradise.  As has been said before (even by you) a guy in his 50's - 60's -  can date good looking to very beautiful mid 30's- 50 year women here till he is dead,  even if he lives to be 90. " Unless a guy is lying and telling a  bunch of BS,  I have no problem at all with it.  Two adults getting together to see if they can get together.
Anything else my personal'  -itch?

Love - Micky






  Hmmmm  I think I pretty much proved that and it still bothers him since he did bring it up again.

[Zon]

There really is no luck in this matter, if you feel that way you will be a old prevert living in Colombia alone.

Run to your bathroom and repeat this sentence in the mirror.  See if it sounds as Stupid when you hear it come out of your mouth as it did when I just read it.


You are a strange blend of self-righteous and church lady.  Just the fact that you have a wife says much about the endless generosity of women

[Fuzzyone]

Run to your bathroom and repeat this sentence in the mirror.  See if it sounds as Stupid when you hear it come out of your mouth as it did when I just read it.


You are a strange blend of self-righteous and church lady.  Just the fact that you have a wife says much about the endless generosity of women

    There is no self righteous or church lady involved Zon! So you are trying to tell everyone here that it is luck that you find a good wife in S.A.? Are you fricking kidding me??? So you are telling me that all the men here over the years on all the forums are just lucky? I have seen a ton of guys here on all the forums get married to a woman overseas and had a good marriage not because of luck but because they worked at it.... ITS CALLED WORK something you know nothing off !!!

[Zon]

I wrote : So, lucky, effort, and careful consideration plays into this.  But you elect NOT to see EFFORT, and CAREFUL CONSIDERATION ... because like a man on a crusade - crazy with false belief - you see only what you want to see.

I wish you would just get over it! I don't give a crap what you think of me, but you constant push has virtually silenced this entire forum! 

You and FT will be the  only two "Triumphant Men" left on this web site if it keeps going this way.  Then, you can slap yourselves on the back for being "successful" ... that is until, and unless, one of you - God forbid - get divorced again.

[fathertime]

I wrote : So, lucky, effort, and careful consideration plays into this.  But you elect NOT to see EFFORT, and CAREFUL CONSIDERATION ... because like a man on a crusade - crazy with false belief - you see only what you want to see.

well zon but it is your own words that you have often said about LUCK being a central element in finding/keeping a wife.   This is your way of shirking responsibility for your own less than smart choices. 

   There is not a member here that will not admit that marriage is work no matter how it is put. There really is no luck in this matter, if you feel that way you will be a old prevert living in Colombia alone.

well zon since you are back on the theme that is all a matter of luck again, where does that leave you?  Just trying to get a date with different women all over again, after 5 years of living abroad for stints,  and still being at square one, it certainly looks like you are just an old guy lacking the maturity, it isn't 'bad luck' for you, it is YOUR choices that have made the well intentioned women flee from you!  Your excuses seem to run stale when somebody looks at it from a global perspective, and think of all the time and effort you have spent 'looking for a woman'  and all the time and effort you have spent saying how you árent looking for a woman.  SOunds like a guy in denial about something.


Fathertime! 

[Zon]

that is all a matter of luck again,

FT, I have grown to respect your position and outlook more and more throughout time. you walk your walk, not just talk out your a$$.  But, you are beginning to deserve your association with Fuzzy.  Is this what you want?

I said
=> LUCK
I also said
=> Effort
and
=>Careful Consideration

And, now, like Fuzzy, for apparently only the purpose of argumentation, you summarize my utterance as "(its) all a matter of luck."  Does not the term "effort" and "careful consideration" count for anything?

ALAS, I see you and fuzzypussy are content to exert energy to argue and make depictions for whatever reason.  We see another thread bit the dust.

[mudd]

dan, pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee   move this mess to the flame room 

[fathertime]

FT, I have grown to respect your position and outlook more and more throughout time. you walk your walk, not just talk out your a$$.  But, you are beginning to deserve your association with Fuzzy.  Is this what you want?

I said
=> LUCK
I also said
=> Effort
and
=>Careful Consideration

And, now, like Fuzzy, for apparently only the purpose of argumentation, you summarize my utterance as "(its) all a matter of luck."  Does not the term "effort" and "careful consideration" count for anything?

ALAS, I see you and fuzzypussy are content to exert energy to argue and make depictions for whatever reason.  We see another thread bit the dust.

well zon, i think you should be de-focusing on the 'luck'aspect of relationships because that really doesn't play much of a role...if you knew some of the hard luck we (and others have had) you would better realize how silly your point is.  for you (a newbie), you should be focusing what you should be doing and feel you have damn near complete control over how your relationships go, rather than pretending your locus of control will only take you to the point where luck is the boss of your life...in addition blaming women and calling them alligators is another way to take the responsibility off yourself and be a blamer, which will destroy your chances in marriage, after you eventually convince a woman to marry you when you are 65 and suffering from inflamed hemorrhoids or other medical aliments.   




Fathertime! 

[Fuzzyone]

I wrote : So, lucky, effort, and careful consideration plays into this.  But you elect NOT to see EFFORT, and CAREFUL CONSIDERATION ... because like a man on a crusade - crazy with false belief - you see only what you want to see.

I wish you would just get over it! I don't give a crap what you think of me, but you constant push has virtually silenced this entire forum! 

You and FT will be the  only two "Triumphant Men" left on this web site if it keeps going this way.  Then, you can slap yourselves on the back for being "successful" ... that is until, and unless, one of you - God forbid - get divorced again.

   I use to hear the same line you seem to cry anytime someone questions your motives. We have not silenced anyone especially you since you keep crying the same stuff over and over that Micky accused me of doing.  If you have not noticed you seem to get picked on a lot why maybe it is because of some of your thought train and drivel you post here.


   I have been married 8 years yep thats right and it was not luck or anything else but hard work. I could really carless if you ever get married but at least be honest with your self and everyone here. Do you notice that no one here including F.T. and I bash or attack Calipro? Everyone knows where he stands, years ago when he use to do some pretty funny things in Cali he use to get attacked but when confronted he did say yep I did that and that too. If you ask him today of something he did years ago he will tell you no big deal. You oh I did that years ago when you get pushed off the edge you flip the script and start crying that everything that was brought was not totally true. To be honest with you who the hell cares anymore what you did, you are the one that has to live with it not us.


  One last thing please don't accuse me of trying to shut you down because you post here plenty and I don't say a word to you for the most part so get off that soap box, be a man for once in your life!

[Zon]

One last thing please don't accuse me of trying to shut you down because you post here plenty and I don't say a word to you for the most part so get off that soap box, be a man for once in your life!

you would not be so courageous (and reckless) in person.   And, it is not me that is the only one saying shut up.  There are plenty of people that mention this entire site is much slower than it could be.  Largely because of this kind of poop

[fathertime]

you would not be so courageous (and reckless) in person.   And, it is not me that is the only one saying shut up.  There are plenty of people that mention this entire site is much slower than it could be.  Largely because of this kind of poop

oh come on now zon, do you think you would intimidate fuzzy if he saw you and your high pitched voice in person?  personally i think it would fun to meet you in person at this point and give you sheet if you said more stupid things.


it looks like you are trying to 'silence' people who have a very different opinion than yours...i thought you were supposed to be all tolerant?


BTW Fuzzy, even though you are 'frozen in time' it is all your fault that fewer people are travelling to south america and it is because you won't let zon have his way and say what he wants about the women unchallenged!


Fathertime!

[Fuzzyone]

you would not be so courageous (and reckless) in person.   And, it is not me that is the only one saying shut up.  There are plenty of people that mention this entire site is much slower than it could be.  Largely because of this kind of poop

   Zon is this a threat? Really guy this is the second time that you have said something like this please do not take this any further because I will more than happy say it to you face. I really am not afraid of you anything that I have said pales in comparison what I do every day at work. I don't threaten anyone here no matter what they say because I don't think it takes much of a man to issue statements like you have done several times to me. So please stop it now.




  So between father time and I we are destroying this entire site really? Do you really think the keen observation you made that most Colombian woman cheat and Colombian woman are afraid of Colombian men? Really advances this forum? I must have ran into the wrong woman in Colombia because the ones I know don't take [snip] from any Colombian man they might get their *ss beat but they win in the end believe me. On Colombian woman cheating does that mean the woman from the USA don't? Does this kind of drivel really help anyone?

[Zon]

   Zon is this a threat? Really guy this is the second time that you have said something like this please do not take this any further because I will more than happy say it to you face. I really am not afraid of you anything that I have said pales in comparison what I do every day at work. I don't threaten anyone here no matter what they say because I don't think it takes much of a man to issue statements like you have done several times to me. So please stop it now.

  So between father time and I we are destroying this entire site really? Do you really think the keen observation you made that most Colombian woman cheat and Colombian woman are afraid of Colombian men? Really advances this forum? I must have ran into the wrong woman in Colombia because the ones I know don't take [snip] from any Colombian man they might get their *ss beat but they win in the end believe me. On Colombian woman cheating does that mean the woman from the USA don't? Does this kind of drivel really help anyone?

It should be obvious that in person men are more measured, and I would like to think sensible.   Unless you are a "born again Christian" type that does not take into account your social setting, and just state your claims, opinions, values, may way is best attitudes at the top of your lungs ... yes, I would like to think you would not come off in person as such a hair trigger Church lady.

And, are you DAMAGING this forum?   No.  I agree with you that this place serves marginal value in the first place, especially to people with experience.  But, what value is there in gross repetition?  You don't care for me.  You seem to morally object to the fact that I was involved in the formation of a web studio 4 years ago.  And, you disapprove of some of my attitudes.   I get it.  I don't care what you think.   I do not require your approval.  Now, if you feel a need to restate for the 1,000,000,000 time feel free.

[Fuzzyone]

It should be obvious that in person men are more measured, and I would like to think sensible.   Unless you are a "born again Christian" type that does not take into account your social setting, and just state your claims, opinions, values, may way is best attitudes at the top of your lungs ... yes, I would like to think you would not come off in person as such a hair trigger Church lady.

And, are you DAMAGING this forum?   No.  I agree with you that this place serves marginal value in the first place, especially to people with experience.  But, what value is there in gross repetition?  You don't care for me.  You seem to morally object to the fact that I was involved in the formation of a web studio 4 years ago.  And, you disapprove of some of my attitudes.   I get it.  I don't care what you think.   I do not require your approval.  Now, if you feel a need to restate for the 1,000,000,000 time feel free.

  Guy if you go back and read some of your post you are in the back of your mind trying to prove to yourself that the way you act is because the woman in COlombia are bad and will cheat anyway so whats the big deal right? You can get bent out of shape and say this is not true but over the years we have had many posters here that had every excuse in the book why they act the way they do but most of it boils down to having very little respect for themself and anyone around them. They are pretty good at b.s. but sooner or later they will just burnout and fade way.


   I don't know where you think I am a born again christian and might just be grasping at straws to figure out where I am coming from. One thing I will tell you meet any man and I repeat any man that has daughters and they think for the most part differently then say a man that has no kids.


   The only one that seems to keep repeating this same story over and over again is you. I did not bring it up this time until you started whining again how bad guys were treating you for your past., but then you just provided the money so it was no big deal right. It does not really matter don't keep bringing it up because everytime you say something then it ends up another little lie.

[fathertime]

It should be obvious that in person men are more measured, and I would like to think sensible.   Unless you are a "born again Christian" type that does not take into account your social setting, and just state your claims, opinions, values, may way is best attitudes at the top of your lungs ... yes, I would like to think you would not come off in person as such a hair trigger Church lady.

well zon as Fuzzy said you don't seem to have much respect for the young ladies, and those men that do you like to label church ladies.  The real ladies probably pick up on your attitude and treat you accordingly. 


if you ever behave like a man would, you would realize how your immaturity has hurt you with the marriage minded ladies that you have been scouring the planet for.   


it is probably good the ladies have all smelled a rat and not let you take advantage of them becaue at your matureity level it would have only created instability in a child and unhappiness in a wife.

And, are you DAMAGING this forum?   No.  I agree with you that this place serves marginal value in the first place, especially to people with experience. 

You have about zero experience with the ladies since you repel them so quickly with your sour attitude, so for you their probably is more value then you can admit to.  Now if you want to try to better yourself and your chances you need to change the snooty attitude about the ladies none of whom measure up, and now the forum you have posted on for years which also doesn't measure up.  Seems you think nothing is good enough for you.  You must rank yourself rather highly.   






Fathertime!