To those who've used Jamie's agency .... Latin-Wife

[benjio]

It isn't free....she has to get up get dress and go meet a guy that most likely isn't even interested in meeting a prepago....if she has that much time on her hands she should probably find another line of work.


 No doubt,,,, there are plenty with a plan B....but outright prepagos are few and far between. Over a ten year period of contact with marriage agencies in Cali I only met one women that was actually only interested in sex for money and nothing else.....met approx. half a dozen that worked as prepagos but were actually interested in finding a husband when they came to the agency.


One thing I'm absolutely sure of  is...... there were many more women in marriage agencies that complained that gringos propositioned them .....than gringos complaining that the women wanted money to get down to business.

Here's where me and a lot of gringos disagree. A while back there was an entire thread that transformed into an argument on what was considered a prepago and the difference beteween them and prostitutes. I think the poster that instigated it was a guy that called himself "Zulu" something. I may be wrong.

For me, a prepago is no different than what we would call a sugarbaby in the states. I don't care if she thinks of herself as a prepago or not. Any woman that joins an agency with the intentions of meeting a foreigner strictly for the purpose of financial or material gain, then actually executes those plans when a gringo dumb enough comes along, is considered a prepago in my book. Being a prostitute is a career choice. Being a prepago is a lifestyle choice. Sure, there are tons of names for them. Interesadas, Usadoras, Putas...whatever. But if you think there aren't a significant number of these types of women in Latin American Marriage Agencies, your perspective of girls in agengies is much more positive than my own. But perhaps that's my problem. I also think in the end a lot more guys than you'd imagine that originally go to Latin America to wife hunt end up finding themselves with these types of women, and accept it for various reasons. Beauty, great sex, what have you. As far as women that are members of marriage agencies being propositioned by gringos, I have yet to meet one. The notion actually makes no sense to me, as working women are easily accessible in any major Colombian City and are generally much better looking than your average agency girl. Why would any man pay $1500-$2000 for an agencies services when they could sleep with 5 different 10's for the same price. If a guy wants to monger, he mongers. I've met two gringos that were using Jamie's services that asked me where to find some pay-for-play action in Barranquilla. Neither of them ever propositioned the girls from Jamie's agency. What you're suggesting is the equivalent of a guy getting on Match.com, and sending out a bunch of messages to women asking them to have sex for money. Why wouldn't he just go directly to one of the hundreds of escort websites?

I think the girls that told you this were dreaming up more of those gringo myths. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt though. Perhaps the gringos that propositioned them had heard of or had previous experiences with agency girls that were pay-for-play. Looking at it this way only proves my previous point though.

[Calipro]

For me, a prepago is no different than what we would call a sugarbaby in the states. I don't care if she thinks of herself as a prepago or not. Any woman that joins an agency with the intentions of meeting a foreigner strictly for the purpose of financial or material gain, then actually executes those plans when a gringo dumb enough comes along, is considered a prepago in my book.Be ing a prostitute is a career choice.

  I think we all agree that a primary motivating factor for any chick to join a marriage agency is to marry up while still hoping to be able to have an enjoyable intimate relationship with who ever the lucky guy might be. jajaja


Could be that your views of what constitutes a prepago are a little more liberal than mine. For me to label a chick a prepago....she has to be seeking a quid pro quo relationship....in other words you have to provide something of  monetary value for her to be with you....and if you don't she is gone.


Personally had no idea that marriage agencies went up in price that much....when I used agencies I think the most expensive one charged  a 1000 bucks a year.  Once  you paid that was it....if a guy met a chick that he wanted to be with and she wasn't feeling it....some times the guys would make an offer they thought she wouldn't refuse.


One guy that used to post on this board before he got banned got kick out of Ricardo's agency for propositioning chicks and that is pretty hard to do. He warned the guy on numerous occasions but he kept at it.


Plenty of people have low opinions of women that join marriage agencies and you just can't let guys or the women use each other without the whole thing going down hill fast.   Plenty of women that have been in agencies for a while will take advantage of lonely gringos after they start throwing money at them for awhile. But I don't consider them prepagos either.


There is a  reason why they have signs in national parks that say DON'T FEED THE BEARS and that is because it makes them more aggressive....well the same holds true for gringos spending money on Colombianas that they hardly know. 


Just doesn't make a lot of sense to me to examine the bad behavior of some colombianas without taking a good hard look at the piss poor behavior of some gringos as well.               

[fathertime]

DON'T FEED THE ALLIGATORS ...that's what the sign reads.   WHY?  Because they lose their fear (respect) and they get too close, too often, for the purpose of taking advantage (food).  In Florida, we do not want alligators turning into seagulls.

The same is true with women.

The women in agencies and on dating sites that are seeking foreign men (if they are attractive) they get tons of attention - the online auction.  So, the entire relationship building dynamic is changed.  In Latin America, I strongly prefer real world meetings over agencies and online services.

yeah don't go for a woman who knows she is attractive...just go for the ones who think they have low value so you can try to walk on them and show them how superior you are as a 'man'.




stupid stupid stupid!  jaja


fathertime!

[fathertime]

I think the girls that told you this were dreaming up more of those gringo myths. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt though. Perhaps the gringos that propositioned them had heard of or had previous experiences with agency girls that were pay-for-play. Looking at it this way only proves my previous point though.

well i think that sometimes gringos do want to get sex from the agency gal and already know that they are not going to be interested in marrying them...there are different ways to proposition a woman without outright paying cash though and i'm pretty sure that happens quite a bit...so if this sort of thing is happening i'm also quite sure that guys will come right out and offer cash, i don't think that is a myth but i can see how that would be insulting to a lady who is actually looking for a husband.  i met a several guys that were a little shady like that.   


Fathertime! 

[benjio]

well i think that sometimes gringos do want to get sex from the agency gal and already know that they are not going to be interested in marrying them...there are different ways to proposition a woman without outright paying cash though and i'm pretty sure that happens quite a bit...so if this sort of thing is happening i'm also quite sure that guys will come right out and offer cash, i don't think that is a myth but i can see how that would be insulting to a lady who is actually looking for a husband.  i met a several guys that were a little shady like that.   


Fathertime!

Okay...good point FT. Cali, were you referring to monetary propositions for sex, or what FT is referring to? If it's the latter, I can see where you're coming from.

[Calipro]

Okay...good point FT. Cali, were you referring to monetary propositions for sex, or what FT is referring to? If it's the latter, I can see where you're coming from.

I don't know the details of how the offers were made....I was only made aware that certain women had complained that they were propositioned.....I'm sure some guys are slicker than others and can some how put it out there without making the woman feel like a piece of [snip]....if no one complains who's the wiser.

[Zon]

yeah don't go for a woman who knows she is attractive...just go for the ones who think they have low value so you can try to walk on them and show them how superior you are as a 'man'.


stupid stupid stupid!  jaja


fathertime!

If this is a board offering newbies advise, your comment is generally flat wrong.


If your comments are targeted for somebody with experience, and knows the environment, culture, and tendencies ... then you you are more correct in being condescending.

[fathertime]

If this is a board offering newbies advise, your comment is generally flat wrong.


If your comments are targeted for somebody with experience, and knows the environment, culture, and tendencies ... then you you are more correct in being condescending.

What are you grumbling about now that you have top pay 15 cents on the dollar vs 10 cents?  Face facts here, the YOUNG ladies up the ante for a guy like YOU, because you are pretty damn old and have a rotten attitude.  If you continue to expect a young beautiful lady to just fall at your feet and start worshipping , you will be waiting a long time…your actions/writings clearly indicate that you are not worthy of that type of respect…if they knew about all these false things you write about them they would probably fling their Colombian coffee on your lap. 
In addition, why do you think your comments warrant much consideration?  You have been at this for several years if not longer and you are still flying solo under the sheets and above them too.  I (and many others) found a beautiful women through an agency and in my case she already knew she was beautiful and had lots of offers.  Among other things, she required a man with a little confidence/personality and a reasonable amount of money and looks, that wasn’t already over the hill.  Not somebody who has mostly false negative preconceived notions about how all the agency women are sluts/ho’s that only want a sugar papa. 
Now screw that silly head of yours own straight and stop acting like you know the first thing about the ladies!  You are still as green as a john deere tractor.   


Fathertime!

[Ricardo1]

here, here!
well said,  FT.

[benjio]

I don't think there's any cookie cutter method for finding a good woman in Colombia. If a guy wants to go the agency route and has the scratch, WHY THE HELL NOT?!! Especially if it's Jamie's, a man that has proven he provides a valuble resource for meeting single women in Colombia. If you think the online dating site route is better, GO FOR IT! As I've previously mentioned, any guy that knows Spanish has an upperhand in Colombia so he may not feel it's necessary to use an agency's services. I for one say if you know Spanish fluently and you're a confident guy that can spend weeks at a time SOTB. Go down there and just start walking up to women...because you'd be REALLY surprised how receptive Latinas are to foreigners with confidence that are also respectful.
 
I continue to use Jamie's services once in a while because regardless of all my negative generalizations, I know there are some good, beautiful women in Barranquilla that would make great wives. I actually looked at Jamie's Webpage for the first time in a few weeks this morning and I must admit, I don't agree with Ricardo's original assessment of the women currently available on the site. I see at least 5 girls I would call 10's, and 20 girls I would rate from 8-9 (only physically of course). So perhaps my standards are just way lower than Ricardo and his best bud. JA JA! Or maybe Jamie just added some new girls. Take another look Ricardo and tell me what you think now. I'm curious to know.
 
As far as Zon's comments go, which I would have probably worded differently than he chose to but I get where he's coming from, I agree. I've been the high school football star dating the head cheerleaders. I've been the popular fraternity guy in college dating all the hot coeds. I've ran across some really attractive girls that are wife material, but not very many. The way someone looks plays a HUGE part in building their personality from the day their born. Many times beautiful women develop something much more undesirable than high self esteem or confidence. They get an undeserved sense of entitlement, like the world owes them more than everyone else because they are attractive. REALLY GOOD LOOKING MEN DO THIS TOO!!!
 
I've never said a guy should completely ignore looks when he's looking for the one. Physically attraction is one of the most important factors for men in terms of a woman intially gaining our interest. There have been women in my life that were completely and utterly in love with me. Women that literally begged for the opportunity to be with me. And I know they would have honored and cherished me for the rest of my life. But I simply wasn't physically attraced to them. So who am I to judge someone like FT when he places importance on being able to simply look at his significant other and get a woody. Nothing wrong with that. What I have been saying is there are A TON of hot women in Latin America; so a guy should never build his decision making process around which girl looks the best. Many gringos don't get a sense of real chemistry with a girl, or they notice some red flags, but they still choose to ignore these things because they are dating and having sex with the most beautiful woman they've ever had the opportunity to be in the presence of. As I've said before, many times the most beautiful woman that's willing to date a gringo in Latin America is not the one he's the most compatible with, nor the woman that will make the best wife.
 
 

[Fuzzyone]

What are you grumbling about now that you have top pay 15 cents on the dollar vs 10 cents?  Face facts here, the YOUNG ladies up the ante for a guy like YOU, because you are pretty damn old and have a rotten attitude.  If you continue to expect a young beautiful lady to just fall at your feet and start worshipping , you will be waiting a long time…your actions/writings clearly indicate that you are not worthy of that type of respect…if they knew about all these false things you write about them they would probably fling their Colombian coffee on your lap. 
In addition, why do you think your comments warrant much consideration?  You have been at this for several years if not longer and you are still flying solo under the sheets and above them too.  I (and many others) found a beautiful women through an agency and in my case she already knew she was beautiful and had lots of offers.  Among other things, she required a man with a little confidence/personality and a reasonable amount of money and looks, that wasn’t already over the hill.  Not somebody who has mostly false negative preconceived notions about how all the agency women are sluts/ho’s that only want a sugar papa. 
Now screw that silly head of yours own straight and stop acting like you know the first thing about the ladies!  You are still as green as a john deere tractor.   


Fathertime!

   F.T. get ready for the whine about a select group or how about the one to do with marriage? I must say this is one good post keep up the good work!

[Zon]

What are you grumbling about now that you have top pay 15 cents on the dollar vs 10 cents?  Face facts here, the YOUNG ladies up the ante for a guy like YOU, because you are pretty damn old and have a rotten attitude.  If you continue to expect a young beautiful lady to just fall at your feet and start worshipping , you will be waiting a long time…your actions/writings clearly indicate that you are not worthy of that type of respect…if they knew about all these false things you write about them they would probably fling their Colombian coffee on your lap. 

You know ... if you were a Colomiban woman (which at times I think you are not far from being LOL), I would give you a look that says "pienso tienas demasiado problemas para me."   And that just pops out after not being in a Spanish speaking country for 6 months.


Sometimes I comment on generalities (not specifics) based upon my considerable experience as a single man living in the Caribbean and South America.  You, on the other hand, comment on specifics (not generalities) based upon your considerable "success" of finding a wife in Colombia and starting a family.  We approach this thing from very different points of view.   


I think Benijo shows much more tact that my rather blunt statements.  And, I am guilty at times as coming off as a self aggrandizing ass - but, there is more truth than BS is what I offer.

[Fuzzyone]

You know ... if you were a Colomiban woman (which at times I think you are not far from being LOL), I would give you a look that says "pienso tienas demasiado problemas para me."   And that just pops out after not being in a Spanish speaking country for 6 months.


Sometimes I comment on generalities (not specifics) based upon my considerable experience as a single man living in the Caribbean and South America.  You, on the other hand, comment on specifics (not generalities) based upon your considerable "success" of finding a wife in Colombia and starting a family.  We approach this thing from very different points of view.   


I think Benijo shows much more tact that my rather blunt statements.  And, I am guilty at times as coming off as a self aggrandizing ass - but, there is more truth than BS is what I offer.

  Damn married men always rubbing your nose in it why? Oh by the wife I think you should go back to learning spanish the above quote had the verb wrong! If you are going to post in spanish try to get it right or close!

[fathertime]

 

You know ... if you were a Colomiban woman (which at times I think you are not far from being LOL), I would give you a look that says "pienso tienas demasiado problemas para me."   And that just pops out after not being in a Spanish speaking country for 6 months.

that is atrocious...you must be joking, it is not possible you are proud of that ''spanish'' sentence you tried to cobble together...it is always a guarantee that the cumulative room IQ will plummet when you enter, hence the eye rolls you must receive you must receive from the ladies when you are looking in another direction. 

Sometimes I comment on generalities (not specifics) based upon my considerable experience as a single man living in the Caribbean and South America.  You, on the other hand, comment on specifics (not generalities) based upon your considerable "success" of finding a wife in Colombia and starting a family.  We approach this thing from very different points of view.   


I think Benijo shows much more tact that my rather blunt statements.  And, I am guilty at times as coming off as a self aggrandizing ass - but, there is more truth than BS is what I offer.

it has nothing to do with tact...your point about women and alligators was just another example of a stupid loser mentality you have and try to promote to others.  all this mentality has done is help hold you back.  if you want to play silly teenage games with ladies and pretend they are not attractive to pretend to be a challenge than you will be hopelessly looking for another 5 years for your wife. a young attactive lady that would give a 50 year old like yourself a chance is a treasure, and you act like you are entitled to one that is not only perfect but also unaware she is worthwhile for a man.
   you are right about one thing though when you say you come off as a self-aggrandizing ass.   


Fathertime!

[Researcher]

    Just popped in to change my profile to >5 years married. I didn't use Jamie's agency but have heard some good things. If his agency is still around after this much time and has a decent reputation that is a good sign. Carry on.


      Researcher

[Zon]

that is atrocious...you must be joking, it is not possible you are proud of that ''spanish'' sentence you tried to cobble together...it is always a guarantee that the cumulative room IQ will plummet when you enter, hence the eye rolls you must receive you must receive from the ladies when you are looking in another direction.

I WAS joking about you being damn near a woman in your sensibilities and judgement   However, you do reflect an"American Man" version to gender (ATROCIOUS).  hahaha  And, you do very much practice a "Be Like Me" editorial slant in every one of your posts.  Nothing wrong with that!  You seem to be proud and happy.  (I honestly have never wished you anything but the best in life).  But, unlike you, I see life as a process and subject to changes, not a photograph frozen in time. 

For example, I know several men here that have been married more than 2 times and continue looking for the "bliss" of marriage - some guys have been married 3 times here!  On the day all of these men were married, on every occasion and ceremony, they were all "happy" and looking forward to a future with hope.  Right?

FT, for the record ( nothing personal at all! ), have you been married 2 times or 3?
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And my Spanish?  Please! LOL  I get along... When I live in a Spanish speaking country, I take classes and improve quickly.  You take Spanish as seriously as the topic of marriage.  Relax man ... this is an internet discussion group build for people from different perspectives to share their views and a experience on a given topic.

[mudd]

There is a  reason why they have signs in national parks that say DON'T FEED THE BEARS and that is because it makes them more aggressive....well the same holds true for gringos spending money on Colombianas that they hardly know.  Just doesn't make a lot of sense to me to examine the bad behavior of some colombianas without taking a good hard look at the piss poor behavior of some gringos as well

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  you cant fault the women without looking at the men chasing them and throwing money at them.             

[Fuzzyone]

I WAS joking about you being damn near a woman in your sensibilities and judgement   However, you do reflect an"American Man" version to gender (ATROCIOUS).  hahaha  And, you do very much practice a "Be Like Me" editorial slant in every one of your posts.  Nothing wrong with that!  You seem to be proud and happy.  (I honestly have never wished you anything but the best in life).  But, unlike you, I see life as a process and subject to changes, not a photograph frozen in time. 

For example, I know several men here that have been married more than 2 times and continue looking for the "bliss" of marriage - some guys have been married 3 times here!  On the day all of these men were married, on every occasion and ceremony, they were all "happy" and looking forward to a future with hope.  Right?

FT, for the record ( nothing personal at all! ), have you been married 2 times or 3?
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And my Spanish?  Please! LOL  I get along... When I live in a Spanish speaking country, I take classes and improve quickly.  You take Spanish as seriously as the topic of marriage.  Relax man ... this is an internet discussion group build for people from different perspectives to share their views and a experience on a given topic.

  So all of us guys that are married are frozen in time? I got news for you I never knew what is going to happen until I wake in the morning and even then it is still subject to change.


   I will be honest you I have not judged a man who has been married 2 or 3 times, in fact I have never judged your mentor Calipro for being married several times maybe more. I find it pretty damn funny you would say anything to that fact since your boy has been married how many times?


   I was justing pointing out how good your spanish was, most gringos try to avoid posting their poor language skills here since it makes them look like a rookie!

[robert angel]

FT, for the record ( nothing personal at all! ), have you been married 2 times or 3?
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Zon--that's a "State Secret' to be joked about, avoided and so on, but not answered directly--it's been asked before!

[robert angel]

    Just popped in to change my profile to >5 years married. I didn't use Jamie's agency but have heard some good things. If his agency is still around after this much time and has a decent reputation that is a good sign. Carry on.


      Researcher

Congratulations, Researcher. In this day and age, making it to the five year mark in a marriage is significant anywhere. Take into account the extra variables of melding two mindsets--two cultures, and it's even more so. I wonder how many Kano - Colombiana marriages (especially those that go 'stateside'), make to the 5, 7, 10+ year marks? Me 'guesses' below 50%.
I bet we're more likely to hear more about the successful ones than about the failed ones, or why they failed.

[Fuzzyone]

Zon--that's a "State Secret' to be joked about, avoided and so on, but not answered directly--it's been asked before!

   Actually Robert most guys who have posted here for some time know how many times F.T. has been married so I really don't know why this would be a state secret. All you have to do is ask F.T. he will tell you himself.


   I do see great humor or should I say our boy Zon as a hypocrite since his mentor who he never fails to mention at least once has been married several times if not more. Is this really a big deal? Not really but then Zon can use this as a excuse since he has already been divorce once.

[Zon]

   I do see great humor or should I say our boy Zon as a hypocrite since his mentor who he never fails to mention at least once has been married several times if not more. Is this really a big deal? Not really but then Zon can use this as a excuse since he has already been divorce once.

I wish you would grow the[snip]up.   I referenced Calipro in the past, but he is hardly my mentor.  I could have just as easily referenced Benijo, or a host of other well balanced gringos that post here on LIVING and CULTURE, as well as rommance.   They are not single issue posters.


I was not trying to INSULT FatherTime!  I was saying that everybody hopes for the best on the day of their marriage.  I mentioned a truth that most men go abroad because of a DO-OVER, or a second, third, or fourth try. 


It is a very relevant point.  But, you would prefer to only see insults and name calling.  What purpose do you actually seek to advance?  Everyone knows you object to me.  It should be obvious that I could not care less.

[Fuzzyone]

Zon--that's a "State Secret' to be joked about, avoided and so on, but not answered directly--it's been asked before!

 As said before ask him I think he will tell you how many times he has been married and that is answered directly. I was kinda wondering where has it been asked before that he did not answer?

[Fuzzyone]

I wish you would grow the[snip]up.   I referenced Calipro in the past, but he is hardly my mentor.  I could have just as easily referenced Benijo, or a host of other well balanced gringos that post here on LIVING and CULTURE, as well as rommance.   They are not single issue posters.


I was not trying to INSULT FatherTime!  I was saying that everybody hopes for the best on the day of their marriage.  I mentioned a truth that most men go abroad because of a DO-OVER, or a second, third, or fourth try. 


It is a very relevant point.  But, you would prefer to only see insults and name calling.  What purpose do you actually seek to advance?  Everyone knows you object to me.  It should be obvious that I could not care less.

    Zon you like to do what would be called a "dry snipe" that when called on it you get mad at anyone that would dare say something. Please do not try to make it look like you were trying to make a purely innocent post because you were not as Robert quickly jumped on to snipe with his drivel. That kinda surprises me Calipro is not your mentor? As much as you mentioned him in your previous post I figured he might be a father figure for you.


   

[Zon]

Zon you like to do what would be called a "dry snipe" that when called on it you get mad at anyone that would dare say something. Please do not try to make it look like you were trying to make a purely innocent post because you were not as Robert quickly jumped on to snipe with his drivel. That kinda surprises me Calipro is not your mentor? As much as you mentioned him in your previous post I figured he might be a father figure for you

Snipes, intolerance, and excessive argument is what this place is mostly comprised of.  A few threads back, some of the most active members took a little break - and did you notice - people began to post deeper, more revealing, and more useful comments and perspectives !?!?


FT has made a picture of me that he feels a need to constantly correct.  My avatar here represents the perfect poster boy for an American that goes abroad and gets sucked into the excesses of a particular place, losses track of time, and dies lonely and broke ... the corpse decaying in a [snip]y apartment for days before the staff even notices.


There was a time - 3 to 4 months - that most members here posted very negatively about a TR I made.  (Doing investigation into my private life, business going years back, making assumptions and drawing conclusions).  Then, Calipro comes back to the board after a little break and writs a nice post that said virutally the same fricken thing I was saying ... and everybody stands up and applauded.  Thus, my positive references on CP.


Any snipes I make here is regarding the double standards at work sometimes, or the intolerance to any other subject or issue other than finding a wife at the speed of light, bringing her back to the USA, and having children.  Why? Not because I am against such things!  It is just that they only tangentially relate to my interests.