Medellin vs Cali - "The Chick Scene"

[Zon]

I note Dennis' post up thread, and the rest is repetition, more or less.

Hate mail is too strong I agree.  But, clearly I come from a different perspective than most members on this board.  But, I want to emphasize that this is not a "club of like-minded people".   I have never asked for any of your permission, and I do not require you acceptance. I do not subscribe to, or accept, any norm that has been offered here.

I think it is possible for a woman to be a great wife, and be a dominatrix or a sub.  I think it is possible for some marriages to be successful in the swinger lifestyle.  I have known more than one woman who has worked as a prostitute or porn star ... and I consider them to be excellent people. 

I think it is possible for a person to be more than one thing.

[dennislevy]

Zon

Good, you re back.

I cant speak for others but I m not disputing your right to believe what you want.....or live your life as you want.....
I don t approve   and as you say you don t require approval....and if you re prepared to debate your stance, maybe some other posters are interested. 

I m a stranger in your world, but my gut tells me that the rate of successful marriages in that world if both are workers or swingers...must be INCREDIBLY low. I belkieve that sccessful marriages are based on concepts of exculsivity, fidelity, loyalty..thiose are among the most intense feelngs of human existence...and I believe with all of my heart, that exposure to porn deadens the nobler human feelings.

   

[CalifSur]

Has anybody seen JimD lately? He's lives in Cali and I thought he might jump on this thread and chew it up a bit.
Without picking on anybody (Zon and Mudd, please don't take this personally) I want to mention (again) my disappointment anytime I read a post that says something to the effect of ALL THE WOMEN IN _______ ARE PREPAGOS or THE WOMEN IN ______ ARE SILICONE ENHANCED or ALL THE GRINGOS IN _______ EXCEPT FOR 2 ARE SEX TOURISTS.
this is absolute hogwash IMHO.
The major cities and surrounding barrios have MILLIONS of women in them. How can you possibly meet more than a handful of them in a lifetime, let alone one week or one month, and how can you possible draw any substantive conclusions about the populace of an entire city or region based on a such tiny, random sample?

There are three major differences between Cali and Medellin in my opinion.
The first is the weather. From cool to hot.
The second is the genetics. Cali has more traditional heritage and Medellin has more European heritage.
The third difference is the political fortune of the cities after the Cartel drug wars. Because of progressive politics in Medellin it became more of an International city whereas Cali stayed more of a regional city.
I think this third difference is most important in the context of this thread. Because of the economic opportunities in a world class city, Medellin's women have more opportunities for education and advancement, and their pay grade is higher, thus enabling them to put on more make up, buy more and nicer clothes and adjust their bodies a bit.
Cali has sort of been left in the dust so to speak, not fully recovered from a horrible cartel controled past and politically corrupt present.
What does any of this mean to Califsur's questions? or what does it have to do with our overall intent of finding and helping others find a wife in Latin America? Not much.
IF you prepare yourself well and plan your trip carefully in either of these cities you have a huge opportunity to date more women than you ever thought possible and that are younger and prettier than than you could ever imagine.

AndyLee:  Great post!  

[dennislevy]

Andy et al.

Your #44 was spot on......really good.

I lived in Medellin, vsited Cali as a place and eliminated it as a place to live.....for the reasons you listed. I ve never felt that Cali was a real CITY...

as for the differences in women, there is an emphasis on cosmetic surgery in both Cali and Medellin but in comparison to the general female  populaiton, it s a small percentage. we may THINK its high becuase we see a lot of women on internet sites with obvious implants..






 

[Researcher]

I note Dennis' post up thread, and the rest is repetition, more or less.

Hate mail is too strong I agree.  But, clearly I come from a different perspective than most members on this board.  But, I want to emphasize that this is not a "club of like-minded people".   I have never asked for any of your permission, and I do not require you acceptance. I do not subscribe to, or accept, any norm that has been offered here.

I think it is possible for a woman to be a great wife, and be a dominatrix or a sub.  I think it is possible for some marriages to be successful in the swinger lifestyle.  I have known more than one woman who has worked as a prostitute or porn star ... and I consider them to be excellent people. 

I think it is possible for a person to be more than one thing.

      I find it rather odd that someone who claims to be so open minded and has "transcended" the thinking of normal society to not have faith in finding a foreign wife the way many guys here have. To be so accepting of alternative lifestyles and have such disdain for what is considered traditional marriage is so contradicting. People that openly have sex with others spouses is OK while we wife hunters have it all wrong. Something is more than a little warped in that noggin of yours Zon. But I do find your perspective to be entertaining.

       Researcher

[Zon]

Dennis Quote - "and if you re prepared to debate your stance, maybe some other posters are interested."  

Really, I am not interested in spending time and effort doing this at all.  I would much rather stay topic based only.

Dennis Quote - "I m a stranger in your world, but my gut tells me that the rate of successful marriages in that world if both are workers or swingers...must be INCREDIBLY low. I belkieve that sccessful marriages are based on concepts of exculsivity, fidelity, loyalty..thiose are among the most intense feelngs of human existence...and I believe with all of my heart, that exposure to porn deadens the nobler human feelings."

This opinions are true FOR YOU.

[Zon]

Researcher Quote - "not have faith in finding a foreign wife the way many guys here have. To be so accepting of alternative lifestyles and have such disdain for what is considered traditional marriage is so contradicting. People that openly have sex with others spouses is OK while we wife hunters have it all wrong."

In a recent thread, I noticed you seemed to offer a "Zon would say..."  And then above, I have disdain for traditional marriage?  The ONLY thing I have suggested is taking a little time, and having relationships grow "naturally".  I used rather extreme examples of swingers, prostitutes, and porn stars simply to show that there is, in face a wide range of possibilities.  I am not promoting anything.  I think people should do whatever they desire. 

So, please let me gently remind you that you do not KNOW me; nor I you.    There is a ton of assumption at work here.

[dennislevy]

Zon

YOU brought this on yourself, YOU came on to this board, trying to convey and get information and YOU forgot or discounted the human element.  

There is a rough but equal quid pro quo and camaradie here, some of us are friends and have met face to face off the board..You re not interested in camaraderie or friendship, you just want to get what you can and make your points...

and YOU wouldn t own up to who you are and what you do...until YOU got outed and that is the risk YOU ran when YOU got on this  public board.

I tried to offer you an olive branch, I didnt criticize YOU personally.

 And YOU replied in an arrogant, disdainful manner.

So let me reply in kind.

Im done with you.


 


 

[AndyLee]

Zon, I agree with you. Sometimes.
I consider you a valuable member of this forum because almost always you have the opposing view. And, that is important because it either strengthens or weakens the debate. Either way we all win because of your posts. In most cases we just ignore you because, well, you know, that's just Zon and he's like that sometimes.
I just want to say, most of us who are thinking men (instead of "reactive" men like our sad friend colcorazon) will agree that your point of view is yours, it is well thought out, it is (sometimes) well expressed, and you back it up with a certain amount of perseverance and passion. All of that is good.
My only complaint, if you can even call it that, is that when you express your view you do so in such a pompous and narcissistic way as to put down your opposers before they've even thought up a reason to oppose you. When you are so bombastic with your statements it is an automatic challenge to the rest of us to contest you.
Having said all that, I wish you good luck with the ruckus that's about to continue.

[Researcher]

Researcher Quote - "not have faith in finding a foreign wife the way many guys here have. To be so accepting of alternative lifestyles and have such disdain for what is considered traditional marriage is so contradicting. People that openly have sex with others spouses is OK while we wife hunters have it all wrong."

In a recent thread, I noticed you seemed to offer a "Zon would say..."  And then above, I have disdain for traditional marriage?  The ONLY thing I have suggested is taking a little time, and having relationships grow "naturally".  I used rather extreme examples of swingers, prostitutes, and porn stars simply to show that there is, in face a wide range of possibilities.  I am not promoting anything.  I think people should do whatever they desire. 

So, please let me gently remind you that you do not KNOW me; nor I you.    There is a ton of assumption at work here.

        Taking time and not rushing into anything, yes I agree with you on that point. But given the reason you are travelling to Colombia I don't think you have very much to offer a guy looking for a wife. Sure, some descriptions of places or other kind of such information might be helpful but I don't think many guys here are looking to marry a porn star or a prostitute. Most guys are looking for a more traditional marriage that they can't find in the freak show society we call the US. Yes, I don't KNOW you but I know more about you than I did before. And let's just say, I know all I need to know friend.

     Researcher

[fathertime]

oh quit acting like you are such an important MYSTERY...most of that have been around know WHO you are and what you represent and misrepresent...hey do you have your ZON logo on your underpants too? christ are you really THAT self-absorbed. 

Fathertime!

[Researcher]

oh quit acting like you are such an important MYSTERY...most of that have been around know WHO you are and what you represent and misrepresent...hey do you have your ZON logo on your underpants too? christ are you really THAT self-absorbed. 

Fathertime!

                        HEHEHE! He probably does... right over his "commercial member"!
   
                                             


   Researcher

[Researcher]

 

oh quit acting like you are such an important MYSTERY...most of that have been around know WHO you are and what you represent and misrepresent...hey do you have your ZON logo on your underpants too? christ are you really THAT self-absorbed. 

Fathertime!

     Hey FT, that mystery man will be revealed when the new movie based on his experiences with his bodyguards comes out.....


                                                                   



       They couldn't use the FLESHLIGHT in the movie so they replaced them with hair dryers!


        Researcher

[utopiacowboy]

I really don't understand all the Zon-hating going on. He seems like a live and let live kinda guy and just states his POV as we all do. I always enjoy his posts.

[JaxPaul24]

Dang I was all excited about getting the chance to read this thread because on my next trip I will first go to Cali for a few days because that's where my buddy is from and then we will head to Medellin before settling in Santa Marta the last part of our trip.

So I was hoping to know which city may be better for finding/meeting that special lady, Cali or Medellin?  My buddy (Lives in Italy last 20 years but goes back to Colombia every 2 or 3 years to visit and has the apartment in Santa Marta) says he loves Medellin and feels it's more safe than his hometown of Cali.  However, I told him from what I have heard Medellin has changed over the last couple of years and maybe it's not the same since the last time he was there.  He just tells me no worries, nothing to worry about and it's all good with him.  LOL...  He says I will love Cali but Medellin is .....WOW! 

BUT.....this thread turned for the worse.  You guys really let Zon have it, damn!   Well, I haven't been on this board long enough to have any ill feelings towards anyone.  I wasn't offended by any of your posts in this thread Zon.  You sound like an easy going dude who does his own thing.  I appreciate the info on Medellin and Cali and the different pueblos. 

Soooo.....what do you all think fellas, spend more time in Cali or Medellin?  I'm thinking 5 days in one and about 8 days in the other before heading for the coast.   



 

[Colgando]

Soooo.....what do you all think fellas, spend more time in Cali or Medellin?  I'm thinking 5 days in one and about 8 days in the other before heading for the coast.   

I vote for all the above! 

No mention of Fiesty in there....jejejeje

[JaxPaul24]

I vote for all the above! 

No mention of Fiesty in there....jejejeje

Right on Colgando! How bout you man? Are you going back to BQ only? When I used to date Colombianas in Italy, I never really knew about the different cities they were from.  I was only familiar with Bogota, Cali and San Andres and that's mostly because my most serious relationship was with a girl from Cali and she always talked about San Andres.  I remember when Pablo Escobar was killed, she actually cried.  Me being in law enforcement I was kind of teasing the fact that he went out guns a blazing and I was glad he was finally caught.  However, when I seen her reaction to the news I changed my tone real quick.  She thought highly of the guy and everything he did for the poor.  I guess he built schools and parks and gave quite a bit back to the neighborhoods. 

Anyways man, I got off track there.  I am learning more and more about the WOMEN from the these cities.  I'm finding out now through my buddy that many of the women who I met or knew in Italy who I thought were SUPER beautiful were from Medellin!  They have a distinctive look and I am now remembering it very well.  Not just from Medelllin, I'm starting to be able to place the different looks with the different regions of Colombia.  Soooooo......I'm thinking I need to check out Medellin man and my buddy who is like my twin brother agrees.  His first real love was with a girl from Medellin. He left Cali as a 17 year old teenager and moved to Medellin for her.  She later would break his heart pretty bad and shortly after that he moved to Italy.         

My Feisty...she's still in the picture and I'm doing my best to let her know without going into too much detail what my intentions are. I have feelings for her and she's very special but I wasn't totally swept off my feet if you know what I mean?  I settled towards the end because I was tired of the process and I didn't want to be a jerk to anyone.  I had a great time with her no doubt but I only get one shot at this so I need be sure!  I don't want to play anyone and I don't want to get played! I'm looking for the that ONE and like I said before that may very well be Feisty! 

[Colgando]

Right on Colgando! How bout you man? Are you going back to BQ only? When I used to date Colombianas in Italy, I never really knew about the different cities they were from.  I was only familiar with Bogota, Cali and San Andres and that's mostly because my most serious relationship was with a girl from Cali and she always talked about San Andres.  I remember when Pablo Escobar was killed, she actually cried.  Me being in law enforcement I was kind of teasing the fact that he went out guns a blazing and I was glad he was finally caught.  However, when I seen her reaction to the news I changed my tone real quick.  She thought highly of the guy and everything he did for the poor.  I guess he built schools and parks and gave quite a bit back to the neighborhoods. 

Anyways man, I got off track there.  I am learning more and more about the WOMEN from the these cities.  I'm finding out now through my buddy that many of the women who I met or knew in Italy who I thought were SUPER beautiful were from Medellin!  They have a distinctive look and I am now remembering it very well.  Not just from Medelllin, I'm starting to be able to place the different looks with the different regions of Colombia.  Soooooo......I'm thinking I need to check out Medellin man and my buddy who is like my twin brother agrees.  His first real love was with a girl from Medellin. He left Cali as a 17 year old teenager and moved to Medellin for her.  She later would break his heart pretty bad and shortly after that he moved to Italy.         

My Feisty...she's still in the picture and I'm doing my best to let her know without going into too much detail what my intentions are. I have feelings for her and she's very special but I wasn't totally swept off my feet if you know what I mean?  I settled towards the end because I was tired of the process and I didn't want to be a jerk to anyone.  I had a great time with her no doubt but I only get one shot at this so I need be sure!  I don't want to play anyone and I don't want to get played! I'm looking for the that ONE and like I said before that may very well be Feisty! 

Good words Jax! I really like the pace you are setting, making sure you find the one for you. Law enforcement, God speed to you on that front. I have a new found appreciation for law enforcement in my more mature years...jejeje 

Yes sir, I am heading back to BAQ in July, take another swing and do things a little different, I do not like the way things ended last time, I left some stones unturned and tripped over other stones. I contemplated heading to Cali to see what the fire is all about there in the Calenas, but then I thought how much I love the coast and that if I did end up locking down a female from BAQ, how much I would look forward to returning again, and again, and again, I live on the coast now, real nice quality of life for me, love the coast vibe. I feel drawn to the coast of Latin America and it is still on my heart, Colombia is still on my heart for the time being. I always follow my heart until it receives what it searches for or until the door closes, the door is still open for me in BAQ now.

My best to you with Fiesty, that is a tough situation because you became so close to her on your first trip and you still have feelings for her. She is going to want you all the more.

[Researcher]

I really don't understand all the Zon-hating going on. He seems like a live and let live kinda guy and just states his POV as we all do. I always enjoy his posts.

      I enjoy his posts also but his "POV" is from that of a  commercial member, pimp player kind of perspective.Some things he says I can agree with but very few if any people are completely bad.I'm sure even John Wayne Gacy had some good points but that doesn't mean I would have liked to have hung out with him.

     Researcher

[CalifSur]

Right on Colgando! How bout you man? Are you going back to BQ only? When I used to date Colombianas in Italy, I never really knew about the different cities they were from.  I was only familiar with Bogota, Cali and San Andres and that's mostly because my most serious relationship was with a girl from Cali and she always talked about San Andres.  I remember when Pablo Escobar was killed, she actually cried.  Me being in law enforcement I was kind of teasing the fact that he went out guns a blazing and I was glad he was finally caught.  However, when I seen her reaction to the news I changed my tone real quick.  She thought highly of the guy and everything he did for the poor.  I guess he built schools and parks and gave quite a bit back to the neighborhoods. 

Anyways man, I got off track there.  I am learning more and more about the WOMEN from the these cities.  I'm finding out now through my buddy that many of the women who I met or knew in Italy who I thought were SUPER beautiful were from Medellin!  They have a distinctive look and I am now remembering it very well.  Not just from Medelllin, I'm starting to be able to place the different looks with the different regions of Colombia.  Soooooo......I'm thinking I need to check out Medellin man and my buddy who is like my twin brother agrees.  His first real love was with a girl from Medellin. He left Cali as a 17 year old teenager and moved to Medellin for her.  She later would break his heart pretty bad and shortly after that he moved to Italy.         

My Feisty...she's still in the picture and I'm doing my best to let her know without going into too much detail what my intentions are. I have feelings for her and she's very special but I wasn't totally swept off my feet if you know what I mean?  I settled towards the end because I was tired of the process and I didn't want to be a jerk to anyone.  I had a great time with her no doubt but I only get one shot at this so I need be sure!  I don't want to play anyone and I don't want to get played! I'm looking for the that ONE and like I said before that may very well be Feisty! 

Jaxpaul: Sounds like a good plan to visit both Medellin and Cali.  They both have reps for beautiful women .  I think I would enjoy Medellin more as a city but I think I am more attracted to the Cali type look.  But that is taking NOHTING away from those Paisa girls in Medellin!  They are beautiful too.  Great that you'll have your buddy to show you around.  I think the online sites and agencies are a great introduction to the country but I am sure they are barely scratching the surface of what Colmiba has to offer.   That is great you can take a big chunk of time off and head back down.  Best of luck! And look forward to hearing your trip report after you get back.

[mudd]

Medellin is a nice place to live, if you can get past the social classes and bad stigma of gringos and dangers of random killings and moto robberies. Cali and Barranquilla and Bogota are still better for finding a future wife or serious novia. but that's just my opinion.

[utopiacowboy]

Medellin is a nice place to live, if you can get past the social classes and bad stigma of gringos and dangers of random killings and moto robberies. Cali and Barranquilla and Bogota are still better for finding a future wife or serious novia. but that's just my opinion.

Very few Colombians would agree with that opinion.

[AndyLee]

Medellin is a nice place to live, if you can get past the social classes and bad stigma of gringos and dangers of random killings and moto robberies. Cali and Barranquilla and Bogota are still better for finding a future wife or serious novia. but that's just my opinion.

Mudd, I'm not jumping on your case or trying to start an argument. My initial reaction to most of your posts about Medellin is that you've developed a bad attitude towards that town, and you probably have good reasons.
But, seriously, all cities in the United States, most of the rest of the world and especially the Latin American countries have these problems, not just Medellin.
Social Classes
Dangers of random killings
Moto Roberies
So, your comment must be primarily about the "bad stigma of gringos".
Now, I have to admit, I only lived in Medellin for 3 months, so I don't have a very good analysis of what the people of Medellin are thinking about gringos. But, I have to tell you, not once during that 3 months did I ever hear a comment, see anything, feel anything or hear anything that would lead me to believe that there is a bad stigma of gringoes. Well, actually, I did read it a few times here on P-L, but that's the only place I've seen it.
these are just my observations and opinions, not anything else.

[dennislevy]

I lived in Medellin for 8 months, in Barrio Veledromo btween Floresta and Estadio on the San Javier San Antonio metro line.

I ran into ONE gringo in that barrio, he had a charitable foundation and was working with Colombian kids.
Mickey lives in Laureles, not far from where I lived.

I posted that I had coffee with a Colombian lawyer who speks perfect English and who had lived in Florida, and who did legal work for gringos in Medellin, she didnt have positive impressions of the specific group of grongos who live in Medellin and frequent Parque Lleras.

In 8 months, I had zero problems in Medellin, I lived quietly...went to university classes, taught some English and had 2 relationships with two women, both close to and over 50 years old.

I m convinced that your reputation as a gringo is dependent on how you live and how you carry yourself.  I think if that yu want to be an ex pat o be here for any period of time  its important to live quietly and under the radar.....

I hope that I m practically inviisble here. I appear to be a paunchy balding colombiano, until I speak and recently when they ask where are you from? and I say Guess. I ve gotten some responses of Argentina and Brazil.

That tells me my Spanish is getting there, and I m not an obvious gringo.

[Micky]

I go along with AL here.  Although,  because of family,  I do not think I will be living anywhere but Medellin.  I believe there are many livable cities here.  Each is it's own world,  with upside and downside.  The reality of danger may be more likely the larger the city,  but that also is dependant on other factors.  Statistically (from a government website, grain of salt here)  Tunja is the safest city in ALL of SA.   Man Colombia has so many flavors,  really something for every taste.  I truly believe that a Gringo with the proper social skills,  I should say,  if one has the right personal make up,  can live anywhere here they care to.  Spectacular.
What do you mean,  "what does this have to do with Medellin vs Cali?".  -  Sorry,  I'm old.

Love - Micky