Medellin vs Cali - "The Chick Scene"

[dennislevy]

Sabaneta, Evigado, and Bello are will within a couple of ....DAYS??

Zon......Get on and USE the freakin metro,  there are metro stations in those municipos!

jejejejeje!

dennis

[utopiacowboy]

Sabaneta, Evigado, and Bello are will within a couple of ....DAYS??

Zon......Get on and USE the freakin metro,  there are metro stations in those municipos!

jejejejeje!

dennis

I wondered who was going to catch that.

[Micky]

I don't know for sure - I think most just assumed he meant "worth a couple of days" and let it go.

Love - Micky

[AndyLee]

Zon and Colcorazon, you two are a pair well met.....one is sick the other is dellusional. colcorazon grow up and start reading the meaning of these posts as they are written....none of us posters have the intelligence and wit it takes to write between the lines and you are asking sucker questions that could only mean one thing....Vallenatoman is alive and well in P-L, no it's not true, he did not suffer the fate of all idiot posters who have gone before, instead he resurrected as Colcorazon, a reader of the posts who knows nothing but acts omnipotent.
Zon, for the love of Christ, try writing for the common man for a change. It will improve your response ratings tremendously if we plebes can but understand what the [snip] you are talking about.

[Zon]

I admit that I do not proof-read my posts - occasionally there could well be an error, or misspelling.  I know there are many people that read these pages, and some are like me - and they may find use and purpose in my posts.

Now, for AndyLee ... I don't give a cup a spit whether you think I am delusional, or sick.  I wish you would not stomp on my threads, however.  If you find no value, or purpose in my comments (which frankly is how i feel from time to time here on other threads), please simply not read, or post.  I have often remarked to myself how, despite my interests in the topics discussed here, the quality of membership and posts are generally sub-par here. 

I do not know what your idea of a common man is, but I bet you put yourself smack dab in the middle of that group.  But, dude, you are living in Colombia on a very tiny budget - that is not the stuff of which common men are made.  Now if you want to keep on pitching a fit, write me a dirty PM, or start a thread entitled Zon is an ass.  But, please do not post anymore on this thread with insults or off-topic.

[Zon]

Quote = Zon questionL when you say gold mine and lucky and such... are you talking about just one night stand sex?"

I would hope that a reader would be able to infer the qualities of which would constitute a "gold mine" from the posts on this thread thusfar - friendliness being one; quality people being second.   In Colombia, sex is not special, or hard, or difficult, or expensive, or taboo, or an issue that frustrates.  So, NO; pueblos are 100% not a gold mine for sex. 

And, only those that are able to negotiate the culture and language; and have extensive time, can actually pursue this idea.   

Pueblos are much more traditional and proper places.  However, in this particular pueblo, there are gold mines - literally.  In fact, there is a modern day Gold Rush going on right now.  A very interesting place.

[AndyLee]

the thread started out comparing medellin to cali.....now you are on about pueblos....which one is?

[Colgando]

I like reading your posts Zon.....keep posting....

[fathertime]

I admit that I do not proof-read my posts - occasionally there could well be an error, or misspelling.  I know there are many people that read these pages, and some are like me - and they may find use and purpose in my posts.

Now, for AndyLee ... I don't give a cup a spit whether you think I am delusional, or sick.  I wish you would not stomp on my threads, however.  If you find no value, or purpose in my comments (which frankly is how i feel from time to time here on other threads), please simply not read, or post.  I have often remarked to myself how, despite my interests in the topics discussed here, the quality of membership and posts are generally sub-par here. 

I do not know what your idea of a common man is, but I bet you put yourself smack dab in the middle of that group.  But, dude, you are living in Colombia on a very tiny budget - that is not the stuff of which common men are made.  Now if you want to keep on pitching a fit, write me a dirty PM, or start a thread entitled Zon is an ass.  But, please do not post anymore on this thread with insults or off-topic.

You see AndyLee you are not entitled or qualified to post on this thread because zonzon owns it and feels he is entitled to insist it moves in his approved direction/misdirection only.  You have to understand that he is slightly superior to the rest of us sub-par wife-hunters and miscreants. 

Don't get me wrong though, I sometimes find his wandering 'pilgrimage' posts interesting enough when he not acting all self-important and superior.   

Fathertime!

[Researcher]

    I like reading Zon's posts. I just hope he can find some Grey Poupon while he is slumming it there in the "pueblos".


                                            perdón ¿tiene usted alguna Grey Poupon?
 

                                    



   Researcher
  

[michaelb]

Do they have good mustard in Colombia? I hear that the ketchup is terrible.

[dennislevy]

Michael B

Heinz 57 ad Hunt s catchup is available in Carrefour, as is quality  mustard. But it isnt cheap!

yellow mustard is avaialble in good restaurants, in an average comida rapida restaurant, almost never .

[Researcher]

                Those other brands may be good enough for the lowly wife hunters but the people who hang in strata 6 require something more refined for their delicate palates.


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[sticky2]

I like reading your posts Zon.....keep posting....

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    I like reading Zon's posts. I just hope he can find some Grey Poupon while he is slumming it there in the "pueblos".
 

I love Zon's posts too.... in fact, my most favorite posts are usually from the guys who live, or stay for several months at a time in Colombia.

Sticky

[CalifSur]

I have lived in Medellin going on 4 weeks now.   In 2009, I lived in Cali for 8 months.  I enjoyed a long weekend in Cali last weekend, and I could not help buy note how very different the "chick scene" is from Medellin to Cali.  It is worthy information for those planning to take a trip.

Medellin is cool; a little more dangerous that I imagined. It is a tougher nut to crack.  The more Spanish you have, the better.

Cali: Is a slightly more modern city today than 2 years ago.  Grandada has matured into a very cool, happening place.  The malls are excellent places to meet women.  And, meeting people, and women especially is much easier in Cali than Medellin (that's an understatement).

Most gringos - and there are not many - hang out at Chipechape mall.   The south is much more affluent.  That is where the big university is located, and there is a mall in the south that is better for meeting women than Chipechape.  

The women are almost too easy to meet.  If you are looking for a wife, you will find one in days, hours.  They are looking for a new life with a gringo - again, not the case in Medellin.  But, the women are not as HOT as in Medellin.  If you are picky, you can find pretty women, of course.  It just takes time.

Cali has a great vibe.  Cali is not as dangerous to me as Medellin seems to be.   Just be aware, and on guard.

I will live in Medellin for 2 more months.  I plan on visiting Cali again for a week.  I will  contribute to this thread when and if I have additional observations.

ZON: This has been an interesting thread but I do have a few questions.  I have never been to Cali or Medellin.

1. On Planet Love I read over and over again that Medellin is filled with hot women.  But I have read other places that Cali is filled with beauties too, maybe even more.  Granted it has a rep for being the plastic surgery capital of Colombia.  Yet, I was under the impression it was a city with PLENTY of hot ladies. Like one of the tops in Colombia?

2.  Care to expand a little on the bolded part of your statement above about finding a wife in Cali in days if not hours?  Just show up to the mall and start chatting away?  

3.  Any experience to share about the Salsa scene in Cali?  or the nightclubs in general?  Can a gringo just show up to a club and meet ladies or dance with them. Or do you need to be invited in with a group to get introduced like in other Colombian cities where there is less of the mix and mingle nightlife culture there is in the U.S.??  

[Researcher]

ZON: This has been an interesting thread but I do have a few questions.  I have never been to Cali or Medellin.

1. On Planet Love I read over and over again that Medellin is filled with hot women.  But I have read other places that Cali is filled with beauties too, maybe even more.  Granted it has a rep for being the plastic surgery capital of Colombia.  Yet, I was under the impression it was a city with PLENTY of hot ladies. Like one of the tops in Colombia?

2.  Care to expand a little on the bolded part of your statement above about finding a wife in Cali in days if not hours?  Just show up to the mall and start chatting away?  

3.  Any experience to share about the Salsa scene in Cali?  or the nightclubs in general?  Can a gringo just show up to a club and meet ladies or dance with them. Or do you need to be invited in with a group to get introduced like in other Colombian cities where there is less of the mix and mingle nightlife culture there is in the U.S.??  

     1) Zon probably knows where the best looking hookers are.I doubt he knows anything about women that would be marriage material. If you are looking for a wife I'd say Medellin would be better as long as you stay away from the red light district.

    2) What he probably means is that you can find a woman that will "be you wife" for an hour or so but you have to pay her. He would probably advise to stay away from the common street crack ho and go for the upper class high end prostitute.

   3) I'm sure old Zon can hook you up with any night club/massage parlor you might want to find. I'm sure if the price is right he would wing on over to any city and personally set you up with ladies who would give you a massage with a "happy ending"! Of course he might want to film it to add to his collection of erotica.


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[CalifSur]

    1) Zon probably knows where the best looking hookers are.I doubt he knows anything about women that would be marriage material. If you are looking for a wife I'd say Medellin would be better as long as you stay away from the red light district.
        Researcher  

Hey Researcher:

In all seriouness why do say Medellin is better for finding a wife as oposed to Cali?  Both are big cities and I would imagine there would be plenty in both places.  That said, I keep reading on various P.L. threads that Medellin is filled with more materialistic type gals and have seen even an agency owner (MUDD) in Medellin suggest Medellin is NOT the best place for a gringo to meet a gal.


You also mentioned earlier that you always liked Cali better than Medellin (although you thought the women were hotter in Medellin).  Why did you like Cali better?

[Researcher]

   I'd say I like Cali better because I have some good memories there.So for me it is more of a personal reason. I have also spent more time in Cali and got to see the surrounding areas. IMHO, Cali is a party town. You can have alot of fun there and the women are great. But Medellin, yes, they do tend to be more materialistic but the women there seemed to be more motivated as far as improving their lives with education and such. Now, just because a woman is educated doesn't automatically mean she will be a good wife but among these women(educated ones) you will probably find they have goals that are better matched with yours. It depends on what you are looking for.There is nothing wrong with wanting a woman that will stay home, take care of the house and have children.You can find that also. For some reason you seem like a guy that isn't looking for that.

      Researcher

[CalifSur]

   I'd say I like Cali better because I have some good memories there.So for me it is more of a personal reason. I have also spent more time in Cali and got to see the surrounding areas. IMHO, Cali is a party town. You can have alot of fun there and the women are great. But Medellin, yes, they do tend to be more materialistic but the women there seemed to be more motivated as far as improving their lives with education and such. Now, just because a woman is educated doesn't automatically mean she will be a good wife but among these women(educated ones) you will probably find they have goals that are better matched with yours. It depends on what you are looking for.There is nothing wrong with wanting a woman that will stay home, take care of the house and have children.You can find that also. For some reason you seem like a guy that isn't looking for that.

      Researcher

Researcher:  Thanks for the reply. I hear you. That all makes sense. Yes, you are correct, I am not necessarily looking for a "traditional" wife.

I've read some of your old posts to know you had some good times in the Cali back in the day. I WISH I had made it down there back in the day.  Better late than never.  Medellin looks like a beautiful city with stunning surroundings (and a GREAT climate).  I met a guy who worked in Medellin in the early 2000's. He said the women were quite warm.  He is a Latino guy from the states who is now married to a Brazilian lady. But he said he dated plenty of girls in Medellin when he lived there. 

Cali sounds less appealing with regards to the layout and character of the city but it DOES sound appealing as a place where a gringo is a bit more exotic a sight than in Medellin.

[AndyLee]

Has anybody seen JimD lately? He's lives in Cali and I thought he might jump on this thread and chew it up a bit.
Without picking on anybody (Zon and Mudd, please don't take this personally) I want to mention (again) my disappointment anytime I read a post that says something to the effect of ALL THE WOMEN IN _______ ARE PREPAGOS or THE WOMEN IN ______ ARE SILICONE ENHANCED or ALL THE GRINGOS IN _______ EXCEPT FOR 2 ARE SEX TOURISTS.
this is absolute hogwash IMHO.
The major cities and surrounding barrios have MILLIONS of women in them. How can you possibly meet more than a handful of them in a lifetime, let alone one week or one month, and how can you possible draw any substantive conclusions about the populace of an entire city or region based on a such tiny, random sample?

There are three major differences between Cali and Medellin in my opinion.
The first is the weather. From cool to hot.
The second is the genetics. Cali has more traditional heritage and Medellin has more European heritage.
The third difference is the political fortune of the cities after the Cartel drug wars. Because of progressive politics in Medellin it became more of an International city whereas Cali stayed more of a regional city.
I think this third difference is most important in the context of this thread. Because of the economic opportunities in a world class city, Medellin's women have more opportunities for education and advancement, and their pay grade is higher, thus enabling them to put on more make up, buy more and nicer clothes and adjust their bodies a bit.
Cali has sort of been left in the dust so to speak, not fully recovered from a horrible cartel controled past and politically corrupt present.
What does any of this mean to Califsur's questions? or what does it have to do with our overall intent of finding and helping others find a wife in Latin America? Not much.
IF you prepare yourself well and plan your trip carefully in either of these cities you have a huge opportunity to date more women than you ever thought possible and that are younger and prettier than than you could ever imagine.

[Researcher]

  That's true AndyLee. While sweeping generalizations only help get an abstract idea of something you still have to go to find out what your experience will be. For some reason in Cali I kept ending up with psycho hose beasts.You know, short skirt, high heels and a stalker mentality. I wouldn't say that all of the women there were like that because I met some pretty awesome women there as well. Medellin and Bogota seemed to have more of the "type" of women I was looking for.Of course, YMMV.

     Researcher

[Jeff S]

Don't make the assumption that educated, better off women automatically want careers and poorer, less educated women want to be stay at home moms. Education and ambition are often not connected. Think about the characteristics you are looking for in a life mate first, instead of just assuming things. Thinking that educated women will want a career, a well off women will be materialistic and not be a good homemaker, and a poor girl will be appreciative of what you have to offer, are more often wrong than they are right.

[AndyLee]

Don't make the automatic assumption that educated, better off women automatically want careers and poorer, less educated women want to be stay at home moms. Education and ambition are often not connected. Think about the characteristics you are looking for in a life mate first, instead of automatically assuming things. Thinking that educated women will want a career, a well off women will be materialistic and not be a good homemaker, and a poor girl will be appreciative of what you have to offer, are more often wrong than they are right.

Excellent points, right on

[fathertime]

    1) Zon probably knows where the best looking hookers are.I doubt he knows anything about women that would be marriage material. If you are looking for a wife I'd say Medellin would be better as long as you stay away from the red light district.

    2) What he probably means is that you can find a woman that will "be you wife" for an hour or so but you have to pay her. He would probably advise to stay away from the common street crack ho and go for the upper class high end prostitute.

   3) I'm sure old Zon can hook you up with any night club/massage parlor you might want to find. I'm sure if the price is right he would wing on over to any city and personally set you up with ladies who would give you a massage with a "happy ending"! Of course he might want to film it to add to his collection of erotica.


        Researcher  

I got quite a giggle out this post, especially the part of adding the film to his extensive erotica collection!

i gotta say, this zon character has sure led with his wallet in an effort to create a firestorm around himself....it is a little sad that he has added to the degradation of the country/women of Colombia and sulllied the reputation of american travelers, by opening a high end psudo whorehouse for 'distinguished' and 'selective' men...that lifestyle sure doesn't seem compatible with a man looking feverishly for a wife like he appears to be doing, although he abhors to admit it.  Now if i'm entirely off-base about the whorehouse comment, zonny boy can correct me on that one, but from all I'm seeing, and reading, that appears to be what he has done.  i'm not entirely against these sorts of places because i like people to be free to choose what they want to do, but i don't know that this sort of work should be applauded because lots of these women are caught between a rock and a hard place it is a little sad to see them taken advantage of by narcissictic american's flaunting their wallets and egos.

Fathertime!   

[El flaco]

I got quite a giggle out this post, especially the part of adding the film to his extensive erotica collection!

i gotta say, this zon character has sure led with his wallet in an effort to create a firestorm around himself....it is a little sad that he has added to the degradation of the country/women of Colombia and sulllied the reputation of american travelers, by opening a high end psudo whorehouse for 'distinguished' and 'selective' men...that lifestyle sure doesn't seem compatible with a man looking feverishly for a wife like he appears to be doing, although he abhors to admit it.  Now if i'm entirely off-base about the whorehouse comment, zonny boy can correct me on that one, but from all I'm seeing, and reading, that appears to be what he has done.  i'm not entirely against these sorts of places because i like people to be free to choose what they want to do, but i don't know that this sort of work should be applauded because lots of these women are caught between a rock and a hard place it is a little sad to see them taken advantage of by narcissictic american's flaunting their wallets and egos.

Fathertime!   

Fathertime,

I sent you a PM with some evidence yesterday.  Not sure if you received it.