Already in it deep

[z_k_g]

Anyone can say that they have experience with the Philippines/Filipinas.  They can say that their family members are married to so & so or that they dated so & so. There is no way to prove it....... until they show proof.

This is the internet & anyone can lie about anything....take a look at the SFNM thread.

Of the "recent" members (not counting the "old heads"), these are only members who have shown that they have some "experience" with the Philippines/Filipinas - Piggy, Jaystone, CBear, Heruamen & myself (I may have missed a few - I apologize if I did). These are the members who have posted pictures (proof) in their trip report (s) to backing up their posts thus showing that they have some "experience" with the Philippines.

Without the "proof" to back up what one has posted, then............

Now let us not turn this thread the other way.....let us wait on CG post.

Kfc,

I posted based on MY EXPERIENCE on DIA.

So what are you talking about?  I never claimed or tried to claim that I have anything beyond that experience with pinays, online!

Proof of what?  My chat sessions on DIA?  The emails from the hundreds of pinays?  Whatever dude!!

In my past posts I have stated that I have dated many type of Asian women.  Based on your fallacious logic that's questionable, because anyone can post anything on the internet, right?  So...why didn't I just say that I had dated pinays in the past?

Your Ad Hominem argument (look it up) is always what you employ, you attack me personally and my credibility and my truthfulness and not the validity of my statements. 

"He hasn't visited the Philippines"
"He hasn't been to those cities"
"Anyone can say anything on the Internet"

So.....conclusion....nothing Zulu says is true or valid!   

That's the classic ad Homenin technique, discredit the man, discredit his message.

Its your pattern, its how you have learned to win an argument and you honestly think that its a valid technique; its not!

Its a completely fallacious argument! I recognize it and expose it as such.  It may work with the uneducated but I won't allow you to use it with me!

In none of your responses to my post have you shown proof that the cities I mentioned do NOT have a high concentration of bar girls.   

In fact, that would be pretty hard to prove because its very common knowledge that there are many bars in the aforementioned cities!!  Manila, Angeles City and Cebu are world famous for the bars and the girls!  (CDO and Davao to a lesser extent but they still have them)

Some bar owners also run internet cafes filled with their bar girls, logged onto DIA and other websites, to scam foreigners.  On any given day, in most large cities the internet cafes are jam packed with mostly bar girls simultaneous chatting up 4 to 5 foreigners at a time.

The girls that are online represent a very small fraction of the available women in the Philippines,  but a majority of the women online, primarily the free sites, are bar girls and scammers!!

These are facts, All I did was REPEAT that common knowledge!

That's the only issue here, nothing else.

My post didn't need any corrections by YOU, the EXPERT.

My advice is sound and based on my experience and the facts, I stand by my post as written, every word.

Zulu

[jm21-2]

Your Ad Hominem argument (look it up) is always what you employ, you attack me personally and my credibility and my truthfulness and not the validity of my statements. 

"He hasn't visited the Philippines"
"He hasn't been to those cities"
"Anyone can say anything on the Internet"

So.....conclusion....nothing Zulu says is true or valid!   

That's the classic ad Homenin technique, discredit the man, discredit his message.

Its your pattern, its how you have learned to win an argument and you honestly think that its a valid technique; its not!

Its a completely fallacious argument! I recognize it and expose it as such.  It may work with the uneducated but I won't allow you to use it with me!

KFC is well within the bounds of logical argument by saying that your advice on long-term marriages with Filipinas should be taken with a handful of salt because you haven't actually met the girl you've been chatting with in person, haven't dated her in person, haven't married her, haven't brought her to the states, and haven't been married for several years. You often appear to try and portray yourself as an expert despite what appears to be a distinct lack of personal experience. Stories about your friends and co-workers do not count as personal experience, and are mostly hearsay, which is probably why KFC does not mention them.

[fathertime]

KFC is well within the bounds of logical argument by saying that your advice on long-term marriages with Filipinas should be taken with a handful of salt because you haven't actually met the girl you've been chatting with in person, haven't dated her in person, haven't married her, haven't brought her to the states, and haven't been married for several years. You often appear to try and portray yourself as an expert despite what appears to be a distinct lack of personal experience. Stories about your friends and co-workers do not count as personal experience, and are mostly hearsay, which is probably why KFC does not mention them.

i was always under the impression that zulu had met his lady, the one in the avatar....am i mistaken?

Fathertime!

[thekfc]

i was always under the impression that zulu had met his lady, the one in the avatar....am i mistaken?

Fathertime!

No he haven't.
According to him, he will be making his first very trip to the Philippines next month (I think).

[z_k_g]

Jm,

I have never portrayed myself as an expert in anything and you know that so why are you repeating that foolishness.

I have never given anyone any advice about long term relationships with Filipinas in any post since I have joined P-L and you know that also.

I have given my expert advice on relationships with the women that I've dated.

Jm, Get your facts straight.

You need to keep that garbage to yourself Jm for implying that I have done that!!

My advice was strictly concerning chatting with pinays on Date In Asia, and my facts stand as written concerning bar girls.

Do you want to challenge those facts Jm?

Zulu

[z_k_g]

i was always under the impression that zulu had met his lady, the one in the avatar....am i mistaken?

Fathertime!

FT,

No, I have not met her in person yet.

Zulu

[thekfc]

Contrary to what you believe that was not a personal attack, if I did make a personal attack.......

I posted based on MY EXPERIENCE on DIA.

You posted base on your EXPERIENCE on an Asian Dating Website?

Not EXPERIENCE of meeting in person, traveling the land, frequenting the malls, the shopping areas, restaurants, sampling the local food, riding the local transportation, sleeping in the houses, eating, drinking & chatting with the locals or experiencing the culture in the actual land? 
Oh, so your experience was based on chatting on a dating website.

In fact, that would be pretty hard to prove because its very common knowledge that there are many bars in the aforementioned cities!!  Manila, Angeles City and Cebu are world famous for the bars and the girls!  (CDO and Davao to a lesser extent but they still have them)

No one (including me) have discredited that.

Some bar owners also run internet cafes filled with their bar girls, logged onto DIA and other websites, to scam foreigners.  On any given day, in most large cities the internet cafes are jam packed with mostly bar girls simultaneous chatting up 4 to 5 foreigners at a time.

My wife's sister owns an internet cafe  - I have walked into a few myself to "check what is going on" and "to view their layout & equipments" and I have seen what goes in there with my own two eyes, so a few can say that I have "first hand" experience/knowledge.

[z_k_g]

Kfc,

You continue this foolishness!

CG is chatting with a pinay he met on DIA.

I gave him advice based on My Experience on DIA, and NOTHING ELSE!

So whats your question?

Zulu

[z_k_g]

"Putting down" an entire city of people just because they are from a certain geographically area - that way of thinking is not only prejudice/bias but also childish, idiotic & uneducated,
Unless you experience it/see it - then you shouldn't talk about it.

Kfc,

This is a personal attack on me.

Zulu

[thekfc]

You didn't make yourself clear in your previous post - The quote which I replied to:

I personally stayed away from all pinays from Angeles, Manila (Capitol region), Cebu, Davao and CDO.  These areas had the highest concentration of bar girls in the Philippines.  Don't get me wrong there was absolutely NOTHING wrong with these pinays in general.  But after weeding through 300+ pinays the trends were quite clear.  These populated area had the most bar girls, scammers and lady boys.  I got sick of the song and dance and modified my search strategy.

You didn't say that it was based on "My Experience on DIA, and NOTHING ELSE."

[jm21-2]

Jm,

I have never portrayed myself as an expert in anything and you know that so why are you repeating that foolishness.

I have never given anyone any advice about long term relationships with Filipinas in any post since I have joined P-L and you know that also.

I have given my expert advice on relationships with the women that I've dated.

Jm, Get your facts straight.

You need to keep that garbage to yourself Jm for implying that I have done that!!

My advice was strictly concerning chatting with pinays on Date In Asia, and my facts stand as written concerning bar girls.

Do you want to challenge those facts Jm?

Zulu

I said "You often appear to try and portray yourself as an expert." I stand by this remark. You may not think you are doing it, but your tone is often assertive and authoritative. Upon reading your posts I have often been disconcerted because I thought that you had not met any Filipinas yet, but at the same time your posts seem so authoritative that I think you must have. Fathertime has expressed as similar confusion in this thread and others have expressed this confusion in other threads as well. This may simply be the way you post or an aspect of your personality you are not well aware of, but you definitely come off as someone trying to portray themselves as an expert. Whether you think so or not is irrelevant to my statement because it is a matter of other people's perception, not your intentions. Your often rabid defensiveness of your opinions/posts only adds to this perception.

[Ray]

Zulu, you have to admit that jm makes a good point. YES you do repeatedly attempt to pass yourself off as an “expert” on all things Filipino. You believe that your post didn’t need any corrections by kfc, but like it or not, your post is going to get some corrections by me… LOL!

In none of your responses to my post have you shown proof that the cities I mentioned do NOT have a high concentration of bar girls.   

In fact, that would be pretty hard to prove because its very common knowledge that there are many bars in the aforementioned cities!!

 First Zulu, just how many Filipina bar girls have you known? What do you really know about bar girls?

The only city you mentioned that may have a “high concentration” of bar girls is Angeles City. But have you ever been there? Another that you didn’t mention would be Olongapo City of the past and Subic City even until now.

Manila has bars with bar girls and so does Cebu, but there is no “high concentration” of bars or bar girls in those cities. You have to look for them.

Cagayan De Oro is not a place with a high concentration of bars or bar girls. I have never personally been to Davao City, but we have several very nice ladies on this forum who came from Davao, so please be careful when trying to portray your “knowledge” of their home towns.

But I have news for you Zulu…most all cities in the Philippines have bars and there are women working in those bars. So what?

Do you even know where those bar girls in Olongapo, Angeles, Manila, or Cebu came from? The overwhelming majority came from the outlying provinces and a majority of them went back to the provinces after a year or two or three working the clubs. So that sweet young lady in the province just may be a bar girl. But again, so what does that prove? Nothing.

May I suggest that until you actually go the Philippines, spend some pesos in the bars, get to know some bar girls on a personal level, do not attempt to impress the readers here with your knowledge of bars and bar girls because frankly, you don’t know what you are talking about

On any given day, in most large cities the internet cafes are jam packed with mostly bar girls…

These are facts, All I did was REPEAT that common knowledge!

Not common knowledge and not facts! Have you been in cyber cafes in most large cities of the Philippines? Sorry Zulu but I don’t buy your “facts”.

I think the one problem with your presentations here is that you repeatedly portray your opinions as “fact”. Opinions are opinions but facts are an entirely different matter.

Ray

[piglett]

i was always under the impression that zulu had met his lady, the one in the avatar....am i mistaken?

Fathertime!

No he haven't.
According to him, he will be making his first very trip to the Philippines next month (I think).

you mean to tell me that there i someone that is a bigger procrastinator than I ?
what i thought i had a firm grip on that tittle
hell it took me about 18 months to get all my ducks in a row & head to the PI
Z are you trying to steal my tittle buddy? 



pig

[z_k_g]

The issue here is simple.

I made statement and Kfc responds by name calling.  That's pretty much it.

Now, do you support that behavior?

Ray? 

Jm?

I think you do, because your posts (coming to his defense?) only support his fallacious assertions. 

But, surprisingly, neither of you have spent one single second addressing his petty baiting and name calling.

Why is that guys?

Well, tells me a lot about YOU.

I don't care if you agree with one word that I write, I may not agree with anything that you post. 

But I do think we should respect each others discourse, regardless of what we may think of that person.

I don't take being called childish, idiotic and uneducated lightly.

There was nothing childish in my statement.  I'm not an idiot or a buffoon.  And I am well educated.  Where did he get all of those put downs from my post?

My comments at the beginning of this post are spot on, period and based on my experiences.

Jm,  I don't have to "defend" anything, I was vigorously responding to Kfc's insults.
I speak authoritative about everything that I post, because I have the background and experience and facts I've gathered to make those assertions.  You are in court every day and you use the law and decisions to back up your arguments, like any good lawyer.  So don't act like a fool here when I do exactly the same thing.  I really don't get you on this point.

Ray, you know as well as I do about the bar girls in the aforementioned cities, so whether I've been there or not, my facts are correct.  Your arguments that "Zulu you haven't been there" are irrelevant and you know that.  I never said that I was there and I don't have to be in Angeles City to state what goes on there.  Also, If FT didn't remember specific fact about me, whats that prove?  He obviously doesn't memorize all of my posts, he's typically on the Latin board, I'm on the Asian side.

Kfc, your petty personal attacks are typical of your interaction with me SINCE MY VERY FIRST POSTS ON P-L and reveals your self aggrandizement, but that's your issue not mine. 

You are NOT an Expert on the Philippines. 

I'm NOT and have never claimed to be.  That's the real LIE you are pushing and the justification for your insults.

Dude, Listen closely, I don't have anything to prove to YOU, period.

I'm not an Expert on the Philippines, but I stand by all of my statements in all of my posts, they are valid and factual.

If you or anyone else, find my facts or my advice to be garbage then just ignore it or state the issue.  If I have an issue with anything that you have posted, I will state my issue.   

But what I won't do is call you childish, an idiot and uneducated!!

That type of baiting and name calling is unacceptable with discourse between men.

Kfc, I won't allow YOU or anyone else to insult me without a response.

Zulu

[Woody]

I'm not an Expert on the Philippines, but I stand by all of my statements in all of my posts, they are valid and factual.

If you or anyone else, find my facts or my advice to be garbage then just ignore it or state the issue.  If I have an issue with anything that you have posted, I will state my issue.

You do realize that opinion and fact are not the same thing, right?

[fathertime]

come on guys don't be so mean to poor zulu..he is just trying to be sociable in his own little antisocial way!  ...and also it is good practice for him to be assertive and brush up on his leadership skills!

now really zulu you know i like to give you a load of crap from time to time but lets get real for a moment here...when do you plan on seeing your babe in the avatar? I mean really why would you not get on your horse and see her tomrrow?  Just borrow the cash (from SinglefatherNoMore) or cash advance on the credit card, don't pay the rent, tell work to skick a rubber hose in it's nose for a week, start swimming...whatever it takes!  your woman is probabbly still a teenager or early 20's, why take her best years away from her if you are not going to visit readily?  nothing is like face to face time, all this webchatting crapola is a supplement to the real thing!

I'm rooting for ya!
Fathertime!

 

[jm21-2]

To respond to your most recent post Zulu, I will reference your previous post:

"Putting down" an entire city of people just because they are from a certain geographically area - that way of thinking is not only prejudice/bias but also childish, idiotic & uneducated,
Unless you experience it/see it - then you shouldn't talk about it.

Kfc,

This is a personal attack on me.

Zulu

Addressing the portion you highlighted in red, which is what I assume you were referencing: that is not a personal attack. Certainly KFC questioned your credibility and assumptions, and offered his own opinion, but given the context I think he was appropriate in doing so. No need to get your panties in such a bunch.

[z_k_g]

To respond to your most recent post Zulu, I will reference your previous post:
Kfc,

This is a personal attack on me.

Zulu

Addressing the portion you highlighted in red, which is what I assume you were referencing: that is not a personal attack. Certainly KFC questioned your credibility and assumptions, and offered his own opinion, but given the context I think he was appropriate in doing so. No need to get your panties in such a bunch.

Jm

The Kfc highlighted that in Red, not me.

The insult was calling me childish, idiotic and uneducated.

Zulu

[z_k_g]

come on guys don't be so mean to poor zulu..he is just trying to be sociable in his own little antisocial way!  ...and also it is good practice for him to be assertive and brush up on his leadership skills!

now really zulu you know i like to give you a load of crap from time to time but lets get real for a moment here...when do you plan on seeing your babe in the avatar? I mean really why would you not get on your horse and see her tomrrow?  Just borrow the cash (from SinglefatherNoMore) or cash advance on the credit card, don't pay the rent, tell work to skick a rubber hose in it's nose for a week, start swimming...whatever it takes!  your woman is probabbly still a teenager or early 20's, why take her best years away from her if you are not going to visit readily?  nothing is like face to face time, all this webchatting crapola is a supplement to the real thing!

I'm rooting for ya!
Fathertime!

 

FT,

I'll be in Cebu in April, next month, very soon.

Then HOPEFULLY, kuya Ray will get off my ass!!! 

Zulu

[z_k_g]

You do realize that opinion and fact are not the same thing, right?

Woody,

I repeated FACTS in my posts, then I rendered an OPINION  based on those FACTS and my personal experience.

These were Not my FACTS, but Facts that anyone with google can research for themselves.   

You can do the same, repeat FACTS, and not have to visit Manila, Angeles City or Cebu.  I never said I was an expert on those cities or bar girls, read what I posted. 

If you repeat researched FACTS, you, me or anyone else shouldn't have to put up with some self appointed narcissistic "expert" attempting to chastise you by saying "well Woody you haven't been there", "Woody you can't say the Sun is HOT because you haven't been there", so I can now call you childish, idiotic and uneducated!  That's foolishness and you know that!

I gave my OPINION to CG to dump the woman.

I said during my chatting with many pinays, MOST of the scammers were from certain cities (I then listed those cities) and based on my Experience on DIA and many other websites, she was setting him up for the scam. 

If Kfc disagrees with my OPINION, then let him say so. 

And Woody, regardless of how jacked up he thinks my ADVICE OR OPINION is to CG, that doesn't justify calling another man "childish, idiotic and uneducated" and you know that.

So, Are YOU defending his name calling, specifically the "childish, idiotic and uneducated" remark? 

Yes or No?

Zulu

[Researcher]

       Hey, it's starting to seem like a fraternity over here!!! 



         Researcher

[fathertime]

FT,

I'll be in Cebu in April, next month, very soon.

Then HOPEFULLY, kuya Ray will get off my ass!!! 

Zulu

hey zulu, that is really soon actually...so are you going to marry her on your first trip..you may have to, if it is going to take you years between trips! how long is yuour vacation with your woman?  don't forget to brush your teeth throughly in the airport before you meet/embrace her, i always preferred to meet my women after a nice ice cold colombian shower!

researcher... their 'flames' seem like a game of patty cake compared to what the latin side can be. 

fathertime!

[CyberGlitch]

Ok, so the explanations and misunderstanding.

The fracture was a language barrier issue it seems. She's been packing to go back home and hurt her shoulder lifting the heavy bag. It's better today. She never said fractured at first, I originally asked what happened and asked fractured, sprained or what? and she just said fractured I think not knowing.

the manila/angeles thing well, still dubious but will leave it for now. Said just calls angeles manila from her province. did say sorry for misunderstanding and acknowledge her sister does live in angeles and does know it's bad reputation.

so, the jury is still out. She's still fun to chat with either way. So until the begging and whining come into play no reason to stop talking.

[z_k_g]

hey zulu, that is really soon actually...so are you going to marry her on your first trip..you may have to, if it is going to take you years between trips! how long is yuour vacation with your woman?  don't forget to brush your teeth throughly in the airport before you meet/embrace her, i always preferred to meet my women after a nice ice cold colombian shower!

researcher... their 'flames' seem like a game of patty cake compared to what the latin side can be. 

fathertime!

FT,

You guys are lucky, Colombia is 2+ hours from Miami!!

I'll be in PI for 3 weeks, but I'll be in Asia for another 2 additional weeks on business. 

I do not plan on getting married on this trip!  My plans are to enjoy my sweeties company, sight see and relax!

I will take that advice to be nice and fresh for my first meeting!!  Would hate to give a bad first impression!!

Zulu

[Researcher]

       Hey FT, it's good to see a little debate over here every now and then.Usually it's kinda boring.


        Researcher