Already in it deep

[z_k_g]

Ok, so the explanations and misunderstanding.

The fracture was a language barrier issue it seems. She's been packing to go back home and hurt her shoulder lifting the heavy bag. It's better today. She never said fractured at first, I originally asked what happened and asked fractured, sprained or what? and she just said fractured I think not knowing.

the manila/angeles thing well, still dubious but will leave it for now. Said just calls angeles manila from her province. did say sorry for misunderstanding and acknowledge her sister does live in angeles and does know it's bad reputation.

so, the jury is still out. She's still fun to chat with either way. So until the begging and whining come into play no reason to stop talking.

CG,

Even though the pinays speak English, its not American English as we know it and misunderstandings can happen.

I've used certain words that have pissed my sweetie off without ever knowing it.  She told me later and I felt bad about it and now tell her to let me know when I make those verbal faux pas!

Some posters feel that I was a bit hasty telling you to dump the scammer.   

Why? 

We recently had another P-L member, Bill_MCc, who was involved in an obvious scam and not many bothered to voice any type of loud warnings, except me, W3 and a few others.

He got fleeced for a few kilo bucks and in fact the same poster, KFC, (who is so opposed to my opinions here) was also equally duped and scammed.   

He was actually suggesting connection flights in Detroit for the scammer to take so she/it would not miss her flight to Atlanta.  Read that post (its a long read) and I challenge you find just ONE comment from Kfc questioning the validity of that scammers Visa.  YOU WON'T FIND ANY!  And this guy calls himself knowledgeable? 

My nose was on the scam quickly and I questioned the validity of this miraculous visa early on.

During that same period W3 and I had posted some real stats on visas and the possibility of a pinay getting a tourist visa to the US- nil!  I never believed it was true that this pinay was getting a tourist visa and my suspicions proved to be correct.  Worse still, the pinay ended up being a f*cking ladyboy, a man in drag!!  Lordy!!

I have done business all over the world and dealt with all types of situations, I'm NOT the best, I'm NOT an expert, but I can smell a rat deal whether its Vietnam or Kenya.

Good luck with this young pinay.

But she has given you some serious doubts about her sincerity because her sisters and friends are married to foreigners, she has hinted at issues (I think she is probing you) and she lives in or near the hooker capitol of the Philippines, Angeles City. 

Each one of these indicators are really insignificant and innocent when taken separately, but when you put them all together, she smells like a pro.

Take my advice or ignore it, up to you, but I'm doing the same thing here that I did with Bill, giving you a heads up!!

If you listen to Kfc, he is 0-1 on his scammer detection (he really hasn't got a clue)

The Zulu is undefeated.

Read this train wreck for yourself, if you already haven't, here's the thread, read my posts and read clueless Kfc's:

http://www.planet-love.com/forum/index.php?topic=5879.0

Zulu

[CyberGlitch]

I understand everything you and everyone else is saying. I will say I'm not your normal naive newb either. I've mentioned I work IT and see all types of scams out there myself and have to tell my clients when something is a scam. I've even played along with a few scammers for fun to see what I could get them to do. 

I agree, some of the things she's said can be taken as warning flags. I think though given the context of each individual one right now, I'm not running away.

Right now the 2 biggest concerns are the sisters and friend all seeking foreign men. I can partialy understand what she's said and how she's explained it but will continue to tread lightly and probe for more information.

Saying she's in Manila and it turns out to be Angeles. She's only staying there or vacationing as she said to visit her sister and her foreign husband. They've been there for a month now and going home later this week.

Now,  I'm not trying to make excuses for her, far from it. I'm still concerned and will continue to question everything that comes up. Am I emotionally attached to her? No Can I move on when/if I think things are going south? Absolutely

[thekfc]

To all the readers - I  the below statement & way of thinking prejudice/bias, childish, idiotic & uneducated.

Let us revisit the statement in question:

I personally stayed away from all pinays from Angeles, Manila (Capitol region), Cebu, Davao and CDO.  These areas had the highest concentration of bar girls in the Philippines.  Don't get me wrong there was absolutely NOTHING wrong with these pinays in general.  But after weeding through 300+ pinays the trends were quite clear.  These populated area had the most bar girls, scammers and lady boys.  I got sick of the song and dance and modified my search strategy.

I personally stayed away from all pinays from Angeles, Manila (Capitol region), Cebu, Davao and CDO.

He did not say some, he did not say most, he did not say a few - he said ALL .
ALL the women from these 4 major cities?

What the heck does that mean?

There are men on this board who married women from these cities as well as women on these board from these cities.

What is he implying about these board member's wives, these female board members as well as the women from these cities?

How would one view this statement?

Isn't this a prejudice & idiotic statement to make?

Don't get me wrong there was absolutely NOTHING wrong with these pinays in general.

There is nothing wrong with these pinays in general.

?

Again, what is he implying by that?

What kind of statement is that to make?

These areas had the highest concentration of bar girls in the Philippines.

I have been to Manila on 2 occasions & on both occasions I traveled throughout Manila - I did not see any high concentration of bar girls.
I have traveled (driven through) Angeles City on my way to Pangasinan & I did not see any high concentration of bar girls.
I spent time in Cebu & I did not see any high concentration of bar girls.

In fact I did not see any. How many member's here have seen high concentration of bar girls in these area?

Ray? Dave H? Howard? Piggy? Robert A? CBear? Jaystone? Bear? Heruamen? Have any of you guys seen high concentration of bar girls in these cities? Anyone?

I see more crap here in NYC than I saw in those cities.

These populated area had the most bar girls, scammers and lady boys.

How does he know that?
Have he traveled to those places to see it?
Did he personally witness it while traveling there?
Did he read it online?

My sister in law have an internet cafe in Manila &  I have witness what happens in the cafe with my own two eyes - I did not witness that many scammers.
I spent countless hour talking to my wife while she was in the cafe & didn't  witness many scammers.
There were a few that my wife did pointed out & I saw but not that many.

I went into a few other internet cafe in both Manila & in Cebu - I did not witness many scammers.

Did he personally went to these cities to witness what is going on? The answer is NO.
Did he personally went there to experience the on goings? The answer is NO.
Does he have first hand experience by witnessing what is going on while he is in The Philippines? The answer is NO.

So was that an educated statement that he made? NO.

So therefore we can say that the quote statement was Bias, childish, idiotic & uneducated.

[z_k_g]

Kfc,

You are a bully name caller.

A pitiful man with nothing better to do with his time and it reveals that you are childish with low self esteem.

You are now justifying your negative baiting comments?

You truly are the ignorant one here continuing with your fallacious Ad Homenin arguments. 

You are so uneducated that you actually believe name calling should be part of a debate among men?

Whatever dude,

Zulu

[z_k_g]

I went into a few other internet cafe in both Manila & in Cebu - I did not witness many scammers.

Kfc,

You are really clueless dude.

We had a scammer in black and white right here on P-L pludering Bill right under your nose and you were giving the scammer flight instructions to get to Bill quicker!

KFC, the truth is, you have proven, in writing, that you can't spot a scammer if one bit you on the big toe.

You are a sycophant (look it up) and a self appointed EXPERT who gave Bill some bogus advice about food and flight instructions when he was in the middle of a sophisticated scam.

Zulu

[z_k_g]

So therefore we can say that the quote statement was Bias, childish, idiotic & uneducated.

Kfc,

Where is the WE?

There is no WE dude, its just YOU.

You are the name caller, the baiter, so keep that dubious distinction for yourself.

Other posters may not agree, respect or give a rats ass about my posts, I can deal with that but.....

Seems like you want other posters to come to your aid, don't you? 

Need a little support do we?

You are the negative, name calling, low self esteem, bully on P-L.

Zulu

[piglett]

it looks like it may be time for a group hug 
can you guys take time out of attacking each other for a hug


pig

[piglett]

hey zulu, that is really soon actually...so are you going to marry her on your first trip..you may have to, if it is going to take you years between trips! how long is yuour vacation with your woman?  

fathertime!

Z i think you should send the wedding money over rite now & get hitched while you are there. (it worked for me )


pig

[Researcher]

To all the readers - I  the below statement & way of thinking prejudice/bias, childish, idiotic & uneducated.

Let us revisit the statement in question:He did not say some, he did not say most, he did not say a few - he said ALL .
ALL the women from these 4 major cities?

What the heck does that mean?



What is he implying about these board member's wives, these female board members as well as the women from these cities?

How would one view this statement?
 

?

        kfc, what he is saying is that he STAYED AWAY FROM ALL of them. He didn't say they all were bar girls.He isn't implying anything about anyone's wife here.For some reason Zulu had the impression that there were alot of bar girls in these areas. Now where he got that idea who knows?

    Just to clarify.

   Researcher

[z_k_g]

        kfc, what he is saying is that he STAYED AWAY FROM ALL of them. He didn't say they all were bar girls.He isn't implying anything about anyone's wife here.For some reason Zulu had the impression that there were alot of bar girls in these areas. Now where he got that idea who knows?

    Just to clarify.

   Researcher

Researcher,

Kfc doesn't really read any of my posts, his mission is to picks out the statements he doesn't like, look for small inconsistencies, minor errors, slight misstatements so he can go on the negative attack to discredit my entire post!

He really only reserves this for my posts for some reason, go figure, that's what self appointed EXPERTS do, I guess.

Bottom line, I don't care what this guy thinks, he has proven, when it really counts, (Bill_MCc and the ladyboy scammer) that he doesn't have a clue.

Zulu

[thekfc]

He got fleeced for a few kilo bucks and in fact the same poster, KFC, (who is so opposed to my opinions here) was also equally duped and scammed.

How was I duped & scammed?
Was I the one talking to that "woman"?

WTF are you talking about? Are you on crack or something?

I went by what Bill said:

I've already seen her visa so stop, cease and desist.

Cris has her ticket in hand. She'll be traveling on the 13th.

Bill told us that he SAW the Visa & she had the ticket in hand, with that being said assistant was offered.

He was actually suggesting connection flights in Detroit for the scammer to take so she/it would not miss her flight to Atlanta.  Read that post (its a long read) and I challenge you find just ONE comment from Kfc questioning the validity of that scammers Visa.  YOU WON'T FIND ANY!  And this guy calls himself knowledgeable? 

 

Bill gave us info on her flight & said that she will miss her connecting flight - wouldn't assistant be offered to get a connecting flight?

If you listen to Kfc, he is 0-1 on his scammer detection (he really hasn't got a clue)

Read this train wreck for yourself, if you already haven't, here's the thread, read my posts and read clueless Kfc's:

Now isn't that an unprovoked personal attack?
Going through the archives and digging up "unrelated" subject matters. Why?

Are we going to follow the rules & regulations of this forum? Are the rules going to be enforeced?
If not - then the gloves are off.

[z_k_g]

Kfc,

Bill_MCc or CyberGlitch, we are both here giving advice on how to deal with their very similar situations.

That's how the two are related.

I am telling CG that he is dealing with a bar girl and you are telling everyone on P-L that I'm an childish, uneducated idoit for doing that.

My response to you is very simple.

Look at the record.

Your record of spotting scammers is a losing record.  You ain't got a clue.  When Bill's ladyboy friend was popping red flags, I was telling him to verify and confirm, I was giving him hints that this chick was running game.

What was the EXPERT Kfc, doing? 

Well.....You were telling him what food to purchase and how to schedule the freakin scammers connecting flight in Detroit!

Now on this thread, when I am warning CG about a similar situation with red and yellow flags all over the place, you attack me with some silly name calling.

Then you try to discredit me over and over again by pointing out that "You haven't been there Zulu".  Whatever dude.

When I go to the Philippines, will that make me an EXPERT like you?  Of course not!!  Your logic is faulty.

I have the hard earned experience in the trenches, business and personal, I can spot a hooker, bar girl, con artist and scammer whether its the Philippines, Nigeria or New York and I don't have to travel to the Philippines to get that experience bro.

You are a rookie.

Zulu

[Ray]

Kfc,

You are a bully name caller.

A pitiful man with nothing better to do with his time and it reveals that you are childish with low self esteem.

You are now justifying your negative baiting comments?

You truly are the ignorant one here continuing with your fallacious Ad Homenin arguments. 

You are so uneducated that you actually believe name calling should be part of a debate among men?

Whatever dude,

Zulu

Just a tip for the new posters out there:

If you are going to complain about name-calling, DO NOT engage in name calling in the very same post in which you are complaining about same…   

Ray

[z_k_g]

kuya Ray,

Read what I wrote very very closely.

Those are the exact words that Kfc used.

He opened the can of worms....not me.

And when you name call, isn't that is called bullying on the playground?

Zulu

[z_k_g]

Kfc,

I offer you a challenge!

I know that I'm right about this pinay that CG is chatting up, she is a hooker, a bar girl and putting the make on our fellow poster, I'm 99% sure of that.  

If I'm wrong then I'll apologize to you.  

If you are wrong, then you apologize to me.

Simple, and that's the way MEN settle disagreements, not by silly name calling.

Agreed?

Zulu

[thekfc]

Kfc,

I offer you a challenge!

I know that I'm right about this pinay that CG is chatting up, she is a hooker, a bar girl and putting the make on our fellow poster, I'm 99% sure of that.  

If I'm wrong then I'll apologize to you.  

If you are wrong, then you apologize to me.

Simple, and that's the way MEN settle disagreements, not by silly name calling.

Agreed?

Zulu

I will be the bigger man and apologize now. Not later but now. If you are wrong - you don't even have to apologize.

I am not apologizing based on who will be right or wrong on that pinay CG is chatting with. I am not conceding anything or "chickening" out.

That fact is that CG is a grown man and whatever advice people give him - he is the one that makes the final decision. If that woman turn out to be a scammer or not then CG is the one who decided if he want to continue with her - not us.

We cannot tell people who to marry, go out with, sleep with or who not to, etc,. We can only give advice and these advice & opinions are given on a regular basis.

With that being said there is something that all readers have to remember:
It is solely their responsibility to evaluate the accuracy, completeness, and usefulness of all opinions, advice, services and info provided on this site.

[Woody]

I repeated FACTS in my posts, then I rendered an OPINION  based on those FACTS and my personal experience.

Okay, since you didn't catch what I was pointing out the first time:

I'm not an Expert on the Philippines, but I stand by all of my statements in all of my posts, they are valid and factual.

If you or anyone else, find my facts or my advice to be garbage then just ignore it or state the issue.  If I have an issue with anything that you have posted, I will state my issue.

You made an all inclusive statement that everything you have ever posted here is fact, none of it opinion. That is the problem with speaking in absolutes, you may not realize it but you are telling a lie. That statement was a perfect example of what others were talking about in that you come off as assertive and trying to appear as an expert. You may not realize it, but this is how you continue to present yourself on this forum. By the language of your posts you imply that you are an expert. While you can safely state that you have not stated you are an expert, you continue to give the appearance of one just by the way you formulate you posts. The world is grey, it is not black and white.

I'm guilty of the same thing from time to time, but I often return to the thread and temper what I said and explain why I came to my conclusion. I try not to present my information as fact, only well informed opinion since that is what I believe it is. By providing backing as to why I form my opinions I let the other party decide how well informed I really am; my definition may be different from theirs.

The world is grey, it is not black and white.

Another thing I would like to address is that the Philippines is not this mythical Catholic holy land that has been portrayed here up until about two months ago. Not intentionally, for sure, but there is a distinct lack of criticism of the Philippines here. After reading some other forums and doing some research I have come to the conclusion that the Philippines is more like Colombia than most here would like to admit. Sure the life endangerment is lower, and there seems to be little dancing, but most other aspects seem eerily familiar. I would argue that this cultural dynamic is the biggest trump card that Gringos/Kanos have. They expect that we will not dump them for the next hot piece of ass that comes along next year. They expect that we are less likely to beat them, to abandon them, to lead a life of poverty. Economics play a role, sure, but I am of the opinion that it is more the social stability that draws them to us.

P.S. I have highlighted the qualifier words that I used in order to not come off as an expert in these matters, since I suspect that someone may want to take this opportunity for payback and try to rip my argument apart.

[Researcher]

With that being said there is something that all readers have to remember:
It is solely their responsibility to evaluate the accuracy, completeness, and usefulness of all opinions, advice, services and info provided on this site.

        I swear kfc, sometimes I read your posts and think you must be smoking some of those herbs and spices from the Colonel's secret recipe but sometimes you make statements that are sheer genius! I would like to use the above statement as my own legal disclaimer!


       Researcher

[piglett]

After reading some other forums and doing some research I have come to the conclusion that the Philippines is more like Colombia than most here would like to admit. Sure the life endangerment is lower, and there seems to be little dancing,

based on what i saw while i was there i would say that we might all be able to agree that there is less dancing 

i have not seen such a good cock fight since i was in the province , can someone please pass the popcorn?


pig

[Ray]

NEWS FLASH!

Breaking news for Zulu and any others interested:

The terms Bar Girl, Hooker, and Scammer are not synonymous.

Not all bar girls are hookers.

Not all bar girls are scammers.

Not all scammers are hookers.

Not all scammers are bar girls.

Not all hookers are bar girls.

Not all hookers are scammers.

Bar girls are not evil people. They are just young women trying to earn any kind of living they can in a very depressed job market. Many bar girls are among the most honest people you will ever encounter in the Philippines. The fact that there may be “some” bar girls living in a particular city or region is not a good reason to avoid that area when searching for a mate IMO.

That being said, let me make it perfectly clear that I am NOT recommending that anyone marry a bar girl.

Just wanted to clear that up for the record…

Ray

[thekfc]

I am not here to help people catch "scammers"; anti-scammer rule 101 is there to prevent that and it is the most basic rule there is - do not send money...........
I am not here to help people choose a mate - the person you choose will be your life partner therefore you make that choose.
But if I see something then I will point it out.

My purpose here is to learn, get advice & to give back in return.

I am not someone who would like to be "undefeated" - that is not how I learn.
To me learning includes making mistakes, correcting these mistakes, then learning from these mistake to prevent them from happening in the future or not making them - mistakes are the portals of discovery.

How many guys here have make mistake (s) with their previous marriage (s) and learn from it? Are they going to make the same mistake (s) or have they learn from their previous mistake (s)?

I learn by example and by direct experience because there are real limits to the adequacy of verbal instruction.

I give back & contribute on the things that I learn/experience. Here are few examples of how I have contributed:
~Someone wanted advice on building material for building a house in The Philippines - I reported back what I saw.
~Someone wanted prices of food at the restaurants in the PI - I took pictures of the menus & posted them.
~Someone wanted advice on shopping - I gave them advice on Victoria's Secret, Body shop, etc,.
~Cellphone questions came up - I gave info on unlocked cellphones, GSM bands & services.
~I gave info as needed on computer virus programs.
~I gave advice on the visa process as I saw needed.
~I gave advice on airfare flights & airlines.

I create threads posts on  news events, jokes, etc,. If you go to the Off-Topic section, you will see that about half of the topics on the first page was created by me.

Everyone have the right to contribute; to give advice, opinions, etc,. AND if they see something dubious or a post/thread lacking info - they have the right to challenge it, request more info, etc,.

Damn!!! I think that I am smoking some of these herbs & spices again.

[Ray]

...can someone please pass the popcorn?

Here piggy, you can have some of mine...   


 

[fathertime]

most of you asian posters are oddballs.

piglettt got married before he met his woman (wishing him the best though)
zulu has had a virtual girlfriend for years.
kfc smokes spices and dances with wolves
jim21-3 frets about the next 50 years before his woman even arrives
robetangle is so sensitive that he cries at sunrises and sunsets
another poster was whispering sweet nothings to a ladyboy for months

Bozo-Ray bobS capstone wIII and probably a couple others are the only NORMAL ones!

Fathertime!

[Researcher]

i have not seen such a good cock fight since i was in the province , can someone please pass the popcorn?


pig

     Hey piglett, how about some fried pork skins ...oops! sorry...

     Researcher

[Ray]

Bozo-Ray bobS capstone wIII and probably a couple others are the only NORMAL ones!

 

Hey Bozo!

Watch who the hell are you calling NORMAL! 

Odd Ball Ray