The High Cost of Illegal Immigrants

[Raquelfebtember]

I read this on Newagtalk.com. This is shocking
I received this in my email today from a friend at home. IT is eye-opening and thought provoking to say the least. I did not check out all of the links provided, but I know there are those here who will so I am sharing this for all to peruse. These numbers are enough to gag a maggot on a gut wagon. What is your opinion?  How true do you think this is? 

What is bankrupting us? Check It Out:


You think the war in Iraq is costing us too much?   Read this:

Boy, am I confused.  I have been hammered with the propaganda that it is the
Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting us. I now find that to be
RIDICULOUS.

I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until they
are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them.  I have
included the URL's for verification of all the following facts.

 

1.      $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens
each year by state governments.     

Verify at: http://*Unapproved Link*.com/zob77

 

2.      $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs
such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.

Verify at: http ://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

 

3.      $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
                              Verify at:
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

 

4.     $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school
education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of
English!
                              Verify at:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html

 5.      $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the
American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
                              ; Verify at
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

 

6.  $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
                              Verify at:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

 

7.  30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
                              Verify at:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

 

 8.  $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare &
social services by the American taxpayers.

Verify at:http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html

 

9.  $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by
the illegal aliens.

Verify at:http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

 

10.  The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two
and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens.  In particular,  their
children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US
                              Verify at:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html

 

11.  During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that
crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from
Terrorist Countries.  Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and
marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border.

                              Verify at: Homeland Security Report:
http://*Unapproved Link*.com/t9sht

 

12.  The National Policy Institute, 'estimated that the total cost of mass
deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of
between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.'
                        &nb sp;      Verify at:
http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf

 

13.  In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to
their countries of origin.
                              Verify at: http://www.rense.
com/general75/niht.htm <http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm>

 

14.  'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes
Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States.'
                              Verify at: http: //www.drdsk.com/articleshtml
<http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml>

 

The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR. 

 

Are we THAT stupid?
If this doesn't bother you then just delete the message.  If, on the other
hand, it does raise the hair on the back of your neck, I hope you forward it
to every legal resident in the country including every representative in
Washington, D.C. - five times a week for as long as it takes to restore some
semblance of intelligence in our policies and enforcement thereof

[Dave H]

Hi Raquel,

The cost of illegal immigration is far greater than most people realize and much greater than the value of any services that illegals may do for us. I see it first hand in South Florida every day. Don't forget that US born children of illegals are US citizens and not  included in most of those figures!!! Both Presidential candidates want to make illegals US citizens...although one candidate has,  momentarily at least, changed his mind.

Dave

[jm21-2]

Can't imagine that citizenship/immigration status is too important to Obama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_i8NHifI1g

[stevjulietb]

Sorry if this isn't politically correct,

I have to vent about the Education stuff.

I have had several Illegal students in my classes, it burns my butt that i have to teach them and waste tax dollars.

I personally believe all school lunches should be paid for by all parents.  The free and reduced lunches are mostly thrown away by the kids, they eat the junk and toss the veggies and fruit. 

I don't think I should pay for other kids lunches, If you want a kid, pay for it, raise them, feed them, teach them manners, etc.

Anyone in our county can get free lunch at school when school is closed for the summer?

Mandatory education should be dropped.  If you don't value education and don't teach your kid to value it, then get out of the way. 

Stop all welfare, if your kids don't get educated, they will be poor, and they will teach their kids to value it.

I guess my point is, We have to quit taking on the responsibility of raising other peoples kids.  Welfare parents don't have to get off their butts, everyone is raising their kids for them.  Their only job is to have another kid to increase SSI check. 

Do you know that most textbooks cost $80.00?  Do you think the book companies lobby congress to keep the same old laws concerning how schools spend money?  Most texts could be done away with and buy classroom computers.  120 students times $80 =$9600

In Florida, over 50% of the teachers passed a test to become a teacher.  Please don't think its not valuable or necessary not to have a college trained teacher?

School buses.....You couldn't pay me money to put my son on one.  Can 1 person drive and watch 60 kids?

Steveb

[Dave H]

Hey Steve,

It really sucks down here too! In some areas here, it would be possible to make it through school and life speaking only Spanish, without ever learning English. If not for cartoons I doubt that many would kids would learn English here...however many popular ones are dubbed in Spanish. I had classmates in the 1960's and 1970's who were at least taught basic English. The situation is much worse now with the majority of residents being foreign born. But B.O. told us not to worry about it..."you need to make sure your kid can speak Spanish." Sorry, but I have at least 4 other languages that I prefer she learns before Spanish. I wonder if B.O or his daughters can speak Spanish?

In some schools here, you can earn a 4.0 GPA and receive a scholarship just by showing up for school on a regular basis and not threatening your teachers' lives.

Dave

[Dave H]

Warning: Don't watch if your offended by strong language (F-bombs), the truth, or are a liberal!

I will let the guy from Boston speak for me on the subject, since I believe the same as he does, but he does a much better job 'expressing' himself!!! I have the phone number for 'ICE' programed into my cellphone...and I don't mean that "In Case of Emergency" BULLCRAP baby! If you are illegal...I don't give a damn who you are...you have no F'ing right to be here! GET OUT!

http://www.theguyfromboston.net

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q03fdDQAUY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sof4-7jGsUI

[Dave H]

I sure wish the US would strongly enforce our immigration laws or adopt and enforce Mexico's..which certainly could not be considered 'racist' or 'prejudiced!'


Summarized immigration laws of MEXICO:

1. If you migrate to this county, you must speak the native language

2. You have to be a professional or an investor. No unskilled workers
allowed.

3. There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools, no
special ballots for elections, all government business will be
conducted
in our language.

4. Foreigners will NOT have the right to vote no matter how long they
are here.

5 Foreigners will NEVER be able to hold political office.

6. Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no
food
stamps, no health care, or other government assistance programs.

7. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount
equal to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage.

8. If foreigners do come and want to buy land that will be okay, BUT
options will be restricted. You are not allowed waterfront property.
That is reserved for citizens naturally born into this country.

9. Foreigners may not protest; no demonstrations, no waving a foreign
flag, no political organizing, no badmouthing our president or his
policies, if you do you will be sent home.

10. If you do come to this country illegally, you will be hunted down
and sent straight to jail.

  immigration laws of MEXICO

[Bob_S]

Sorry if this isn't politically correct,

I have to vent about the Education stuff.

I have to vent about the Medical stuff.
We are living in Amnesty-land already.  Throughout our area, hospitals are closing their emergency rooms because of excessive un-reimbursed costs.  Where do you think those un-reimbursed costs are coming from?  As a result, ever fewer emergency rooms are forced to handle an ever expanding demand for medical care (not all of which is emergency, but emergency rooms must take all comers and it becomes the first medical care of choice for poor immigrants coming from socialist countries and have a gimme gimme mindset).

We experienced the effects of this first hand when, several months after my wife gave birth, she came down with a common but painful female plumbing infection (she never had before so we had no idea what was causing the pain) so we had to rush to the hospital.  We were stuck in the waiting room for 7 hours with our baby before finally getting stuck in an exam room for 2 more hours so she could endure a simple 15 minute procedure to take care of the infection and get a prescription for antibiotics.

Of course I'm racist for noticing who is breaking our system. 

But not to worry.  The Obamessiah will raise his staff of redistribution above our sea of despair and all this will magically be fixed.  Right?


Hello?


Bueller?  Bueller? 

[Alabamaboy!]

The policians can fix many problems if they want to.  They could enforce the border for a very small fraction of that amount listed if they wanted to.  Then keep their nose out of everyone else's business instead of completely destroying a country like Iraq, then pay to have it rebuilt, then pay to have it guarded to prevent it from being destroyed again by other people. 

Our country is very stupid with these things.

They could put so many people to work right here in the USA if they would have spent the same money as all those things on constructing physical structures and developing technological devices to protect the border. Plus spending all the Iraq money for public works like improving our ports, transportation systems to attract more business and industry.

I don't know if you also listed all the millons or billions of dollars wasted on border patrol agents at the check points along the highway like in Southern California where there are about 25 guys standing around drinking coffee while one guy is waving every single car through without checking a damn thing.  Holding up traffic for miles.....that is the American Government at its finest

[Dave H]

Hey Bob,

Don't get me started on Medical stuff and Medicaid!


Don't worry about a thing! Soon the omniscient 'Chairman' will give us all our 'Little Red Books' to study and quote his cliches. Then our minds will be right and "our sea of despair" will magically disappear. The 'workers' will be happy to have their 'wealth' redistributed to those who desire not to work. All wars will end and there will be peace on earth. Those who resist will beg for mercy from the 'Chairman' and will be sent for reeducation. You will obey the 'Chairman'!!!

'Comrade' Dave

[Jeff S]

Say what you want about the San Onofre checkpoint - they catch a LOT of illegals there. The guy watching cars is profiling - not skin tone but demeanor, haircuts, clothes, eye contact. In addition, there are infrared (heat) and other sensors that can detect people in the trunk or hiding under cargo in pickups or boats that are being monitored by the guys drinking coffee in the building. In fact that check station and the sister one on I-15 was the most feared point in the trip from Tijuana to LA - much more so than the border. More than half of the money an illegal had to pay a coyote was for the trip from San Diego to LA. I used to know a guy, once an illegal but took advantage of  Reagans amnesty, whose now a US citizen, and used to be a coyote years ago. He ended up busted for transporting illegals - guess where: San Onofre, not San Ysidro.

[Ray]

Excellent point Jeff!

Just because YOU don’t get stopped and searched at the checkpoint doesn’t mean that nobody is being searched or questioned.

Ever stop at the rest stop south of the San Onofre checkpoint when traveling North? That’s where the alien smugglers would hang out with their loads while another accomplice drove North to report if the checkpoint was opened or closed. I’m glad the checkpoint is there despite the protests of the sniveling leftist open-border whackos.

About a month ago, the wife and I were returning from the mall via a shortcut through the Tijuana River Valley area where there used to be rampant smuggling before the interim fence went up. The Border Patrol had set up surprise checkpoints on all roads leading out of the area and we were stopped and questioned, along with every other car on the road. The agent asked our citizenship and questioned the wife about where she was born, how she became a U.S. citizen, etc. He was very polite and professional and I’m happy that they were out in the hot sun doing their job despite some folks’ opinion that they only sit on their butts drinking coffee all day.

I happen to know some Border Patrol agents and those guys take their job seriously and work hard for their pay. They get stoned and shot at all the time by the “innocent undocumented workers” who ignore our laws and disrespect our borders.

Border enforcement would be a hell of a lot easier if the leftists and Democrat politicians would get the hell out of the way and let the government do it’s job. After years of fighting with the California Democrats who don’t want ANY fence, the feds are FINALLY finishing the new border fence near the ocean here in San Diego.


DEPORT ILLEGALS NOW!!!

[el bandito]

It's a good thing you guys are not certified accountants!

Otherwise, you all would be forced to look at BOTH SIDES of the ledger: the BENEFITS (economic and otherwise) of unauthorized workers, not just alleged costs before making a conclusion!

By the way, all the URL sources of "costs" in the first post on this thread come from far-right, xenophobic, angry, anti-illegal immigrant biased sources FAIR and CIS and Lou Dobbs transcripts, etc. who claim they support legal immigration but really want to restrict ALL immigration back to pre-1964 levels.

Besides your final "cost" number of $338 billion is still cheaper than that $700 billion Wall Street Bailout you all just paid. Heck, I say just REPLACE the unauthorized workers (cost $338 billion) for all those Wall Steet execs, bank managers, hedge fund managers, bundled mortgage-backed security sellers, and credit default swaps specialists (cost $700 billion) and you all get to SAVE at least $300 billion!!! HAHAHA

No I won't call the unauthorized workers "illegal", but that implies that they have no right to even breath as human beings. The far-right wing reactionaries in Congress (for 12 and 1/2 of the past 14 years, they controlled Congress) wanted to felonize even Jesus if he gave a bottle of water to an authorized worker who, for peanuts, just put in an 18 hour day in 100 degree heat picking your fruit that you buy at the local grocery store.

If all the extreme far-right wing, reactionary, anti-illegal immigrant posters and readers on this board are so "right" about their views, then why did the anti-illegal immigrant wave NOT catch on in the electorate in the 2008 Presidential cycle? (Hint reason: the nation at large does not really share such  extreme and uncompassionate views.) I hope that that Tom Tancredo guy who ran for President and who called my hometown Miami " a third world country", isn't now planning to run for mayor of Miami!

The two guys left standing for President both supported (and still support) Comprehensive Immigration Reform which was rise again, one day.

Go Obama-nation!

PS What does all this have to do with foreign brides and fiancees anyway? Political threads such as this should be DELETED IN FULL.

[Bob_S]

Just because YOU don’t get stopped and searched at the checkpoint doesn’t mean that nobody is being searched or questioned.

When does anyone get stopped?  I drive down there once every 6 to 8 weeks and it is never open when I drive home (usually on Sundays).  We haven't been stopped there in years.

Otherwise, you all would be forced to look at BOTH SIDES of the ledger: the BENEFITS (economic and otherwise) of unauthorized workers, not just alleged costs before making a conclusion!

The benefits have been factored in, and still Illegal Aliens are, on the net, a drain on the order of billions of dollars to taxpayers.  And that doesn't even factor in the overall decrease in quality of life for citizens and legal residents who face schools over-stuffed with students coming from a culture that does not value education as a path for increased prosperity and neighborhoods taken over by an imported culture that is fundamentally at odds with our founding generally law-abiding culture.  The only benefits are to business owners who can afford to live in secure neighborhoods and security buildings conveniently isolated from the impact of their choices to employ illegals.

By the way, all the URL sources of "costs" in the first post on this thread come from far-right, xenophobic, angry, anti-illegal immigrant biased sources FAIR and CIS and Lou Dobbs transcripts, etc. who claim they support legal immigration

Red herring Ad hominem fallacy.

but really want to restrict ALL immigration back to pre-1964 levels.

False dichotomy fallacy.

Besides your final "cost" number of $338 billion is still cheaper than that $700 billion Wall Street Bailout you all just paid.

Non sequitur fallacy.  I don't see anyone here supporting that crap sandwich bailout.  Also package deal fallacy.  Because we must swallow one against our will, we must also swallow the other?

No I won't call the unauthorized workers "illegal", but that implies that they have no right to even breath as human beings. The far-right wing reactionaries in Congress (for 12 and 1/2 of the past 14 years, they controlled Congress) wanted to felonize even Jesus if he gave a bottle of water to an authorized worker

Faulty generalization fallacy (nothing is implied in the word "illegal" except the legality of their residency), appeal to emotion fallacy, and false attribution fallacy.  They have every right to breathe the air of their land of legal residence.

why did the anti-illegal immigrant wave NOT catch on in the electorate in the 2008 Presidential cycle? (Hint reason: the nation at large does not really share such  extreme and uncompassionate views.)

This much is true.  Iowa and New Hampshire are still mostly lily white and have not directly felt the impact of the illegal invasion yet.  When hawkeye parents are afraid to send their children to public schools because they have become overrun by cholo gang bangers, it will become a serious national issue.

PS What does all this have to do with foreign brides and fiancees anyway? Political threads such as this should be DELETED IN FULL.

Delete?  How about just moving it to "flame wars" or "off topic stuff" sections.

[Ray]

If you bleeding heart libs feel so bad for the ILLEGALS, why don't you adopt an ILLEGAL family and take them back to Mexico or wence they came from and support them there with YOUR money? I'm tired of supporting a bunch of arrogant, disrespectful, leeches and thieves!

DEPORT! DEPORT! DEPORT!

And a special message for Obama and all the other Marxists: Keep your grubby hands out of my pocket!

[jm21-2]

The two guys left standing for President both supported (and still support) Comprehensive Immigration Reform which was rise again, one day.

Go Obama-nation!

You also realize that all the presidential candidates (including Obama) supported the border fence, right? Of course they've been less than consistent as they try to pander to minorities and other groups as they run for president, but that's expected. I think most people could live with some sort of amnesty bill (available only in fairly narrow circumstances) if the border with Mexico was fenced off and secure.

[Dave H]

I hope that that Tom Tancredo guy who ran for President and who called my hometown Miami " a third world country", isn't now planning to run for mayor of Miami!

Hey el bandito,

Tom Tancredo sure called Miami (my hometown for 40 years) like it is!  It is the 'liter box' of America! The friggin' third world retards proved his point when they threatened to blow up The Rusty Pelican and kill him!  MORONS!!! They had a great  oportunity to prove him wrong, but they wil never c h a n g e ! They still operate the same way they did back in Latin America when someone disagreed with them. I would support Tom Tancredo for any position he ran for from President to pit bull exterminator!

http://www.vdare.com/epstein/061213_tancredo.htm

 

Go Obama-nation!

PS What does all this have to do with foreign brides and fiancees anyway? Political threads such as this should be DELETED IN FULL.

I see the DNC already gave you your copy of 'Chairman B.O.'s Little Red Book'! I've read a copy...it STINKS!

'Comrade" Dave

[Dave H]

DEPORT! DEPORT! DEPORT!

And a special message for Obama and all the other Marxists: Keep your grubby hands out of my pocket!

Hey Ray,

Deport and Repatriate have become two of my favorite words!


Dave

[jm21-2]

And a special message for Obama and all the other Marxists: Keep your grubby hands out of my pocket!

Why do both dems and reps seem to think Obama is so different from other politicians? If you look at his policies he's basically mainstream dem. He may talk about "change" and all sorts of other BS, but his policies don't seem particularly different from other dems, and dems' policies really aren't that different from reps anymore.

There are quite a few tax calculators on the internet that try to compare the McCain/Obama proposed tax regimes for a specific scenario...kind of interesting to play with. From what I can see, the only people who would really be effected would be a single person who makes over $250k, or a person who receives a lot of dividends which qualify for capitol gains tax (you'd pay a little more under Obama); or a typical middle class family (you'd pay a little less under Obama). The differences are fairly minor (seems like about 1-3% of your gross income either way) and would get even more minor after two years when some tax cuts would expire under the McCain regime.

[Dave H]

Why do both dems and reps seem to think Obama is so different from other politicians?

Hey jm21-2,

To me, Obama and McCain (in many beliefs) are both liberals and certainly far from my first choices! Obama can even claim the title the "Most Liberal U.S. Senator in 2007."  Joe Biden was # 3. Hillary only ranked as the 16th-most-liberal senator of 2007.  Their financial policies are not the only important issue for me...with the topic of this thread NO amnesty for illegals, stricter immigration policy enforcement, deportation, and border security are VERY important to me!!!  I don't like many Republican policies and most Democratic ones With politicians, it is imperative to ignore what they say and look instead to what they have done whenever possible...their voting records. As to the issues, Alan Keyes (American Independent Party) would be my best choice...unfortunately he has no chance of winning! I voted for Allan Keyes over George W. Bush (another liberal) in the 2000 Presidential Primary. Two things for certain...I won't be voting for Brian Moore of the Socialist Party or Gloria La Riva (Party for Socialism and Liberation Party)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Of course there are more than just "two certainties" for me, but I will try my hardest not to politic futher on this forum.

http://www.issues2000.org/default.htm

http://www.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/sen/lib.htm

Dave

[sean126]

I had my heart set on Ron Paul...he seems different, but I've only been paying close attention to politics for the last year though.

[Ray]

I had my heart set on Ron Paul...he seems different

Yes, Ron Paul is definitely different.

But can you really picture him as president, sitting up there in the oval office with his finger on the button? I think he has a screw loose.

HOWEVEVER COMMA I'd still take Paul over the lying Marxist Osama (OOPS) Obama 

[Jeff S]

When does anyone get stopped?  I drive down there once every 6 to 8 weeks and it is never open when I drive home (usually on Sundays).  We haven't been stopped there in years.

I've never been stopped there and I've made frequent trips through there sometimes weekly since the late 1960s. Confident white guys who hold their head high and look the agent right in the eyes never do, unless, of course their sensors get set off by a large 98.6 degree mass concealed in the back seat under a blanket or in the trunk.

It's a good thing you guys are not certified accountants!

Otherwise, you all would be forced to look at BOTH SIDES of the ledger: the BENEFITS (economic and otherwise) of unauthorized workers, not just alleged costs before making a conclusion!

How do you know we aren't?

Truth is I run manufacturing companies very dependent on Hispanic labor (Not too many other kinds these days in California.) I was one of the few to verify every SSN and had to tell the bad news to plenty of identity thieves who presented bogus documentation - a felonious activity in itself, hence ILLEGAL. I've also run twin plant operations with the capital intensive operation in the US and the labor intensive processes across the border - a very viable approach for businesses that can can move products back and forth easily, and for those that don't, like agriculture, I have no problem with a temporary guest worker program, where people can work, Just like Filipina OCSes, so long as they pay for services, like healthcare and education for their children while they're here. If the temps prove themselves productive, obey the laws, like the US and want to be American, they get preference in the permanent immigration line. And you have to apply for it in your country of origin.

You want accounting, OK:

Juan and Maria pay a coyote to come to the US with their four kids. They live in a house with three other families. They send their kids to school and both get jobs in restaurants making minimum wage.

Working 40 hours a week, at $8 per hour, that's 320 a week or $16K per year each - $32K for both.

Let's see how much taxes they pay:

Federal Income tax: $0
State Income tax (unless they lie on their withholding, in Cal): $800
Social Security (FICA) $2400
Sales tax (none on food or swap meet items, so Juan's 12 pack every weekend) $40
Property tax portion of their rental split three ways: $500
Total taxes paid: $3740

Now let's see how much we taxpayers get to pony up to keep them here:

4 kids in school at $12K each (in Cal) $48,000.
4 trips to the emergency room $1000 ea: $4000
Two bus rides/ day each (the taxpayer portion of the cost in OC) $6400
Total tax paid services used: $58,400

That assumes the four kids, who no one is home to raise, keep their noses clean, don't get pregnant or into gangs or the criminal justice system.

So maybe you can splain the cost benefits here over the expense? No xenophobia, no racism, no hate, just accounting, as you wished.

DEPORT! DEPORT! DEPORT!

No need to. Make sure every employer just calls the SSN of EVERY potential employee. No work and they go home all by themselves. Look what's happened with this latest recession. plenty have already. Enforce the laws we already have. Haul a few businessmen away in handcuffs on TV and see how fast they comply. No jail time but trials and fines should do the trick. How many people can stand in front of Home Depot hoping for under-the-table day labor?

PS What does all this have to do with foreign brides and fiancees anyway? Political threads such as this should be DELETED IN FULL.

Because it is why we have to jump through so many hoops to get our wives and fiances here. Plus quite a few posters over the past years have inquired about relationships with illegals, or bringing their g/fs here illegally to await the paperwork - both very bad ideas.

Much more election politics and it will be deleted - the costs of illegal immigration and how it affects our sitations is not necessarily political but may get it moved to off topic.

[fathertime]

I personally believe all school lunches should be paid for by all parents.  The free and reduced lunches are mostly thrown away by the kids, they eat the junk and toss the veggies and fruit. 

I don't think I should pay for other kids lunches, If you want a kid, pay for it, raise them, feed them, teach them manners, etc.

Anyone in our county can get free lunch at school when school is closed for the summer?

I am not exaggerating when I say my kids are nearly the ONLY kids that bring their lunches to school.  I live in a middle class neighborhood but there is some low cost housing across the tracks.  Damn near all the kids get their 'free lunches' & free education. 
I think it is a bad message that is being taught about getting everything on someone else's nickel.  People should have the fortitude to pack their own kids lunches or pay for what their own kids eat in the school cafeteria.  Not expect everything for free.

Fathertime!   

[Ray]

I've always been waved through the San Onofre checkpoint without any questions, but my daughter was stopped and searched there recently. They wanted to look in her trunk because the rear end was riding low with a bunch of things she was moving up to O.C.

You can still drive around the checkpoint if you cut through Camp Pendleton. I use that route whenever I-5 gets clogged up from an accident or whatever, which seems to happen more frequently in recent years. Usually, all you need is a base sticker on your window to get on waved on base by the Marine gate guards.

I remember a few years back when some Navy wives were busted for smuggling ILLEGALS from San Diego to L.A. through the Camp Pendleton route. The Navy wives all drove vans and were recruited by coyotes who paid them something like $500 a load, which was good money for a struggling military mom with hubby deployed overseas.

The preferred mode of transportation for ILLEGALS going North is in a stolen truck or van, stolen form me or my neighbors of course. You can add that to the cost of ILLEGAL ALIENS on our society. All this BS about the benefits of ILLEGALS to our economy is just that, BS.