Possible Palin scandal

[el_ruso]

There is an astonishing story re Palin out on the net.  If it is true, it might be a lot more scandalous than the Clinton/ Lewinsky scandal.  I don't want to give details because it might be a hoax, but if it is true, it might have massive repercussions.

So, guys, stay tuned!

[fathertime]

There is an astonishing story re Palin out on the net.  If it is true, it might be a lot more scandalous than the Clinton/ Lewinsky scandal.  I don't want to give details because it might be a hoax, but if it is true, it might have massive repercussions.

So, guys, stay tuned!

Obviously you want whatever it is to be true!  Anything to usurp what your boy John Edwards did.  I think McCain and Palin have a good shot at winning this thing after all!

Fathertime!

[el_ruso]

Well, if it is true, it will likely be the final blow to McCain.  Yes, I would like it to be true, but as I have said I will wait for it being confirmed before doing my victory dance  .

Regardless, Obama is going to win, unless he does something incredibly stupid.

[Bear]

Sorry dude,  Although I don't want either socialist to win there is no way the people will vote for an inexperienced Obama over McCain this election.  Plus the addition of Palin (including her scandal on "firing her brother-in-law for corruption" scandal) with her being a woman and being strong on corruption and a Governor, which gives her more international experience from Day one that Obama will ever have, makes this ticket almost unbeatable.  Probably a 1/3 of the Hilliary women voters will switch to Palin and all of her blue collar voters while shoring up McCain religious backing with an anti-abortion, have a baby even when its not 100% normal, crowd.  I said 6 months ago McCain was already anointed and this just confirmend it.  I say it will be 60/40 in the election with a major landslide.  But I also think that congress will become more Democrat (socialist) and 4 more years of nothing getting done will ensue.  Expect taxes to skyrocket and more socialist in-debting programs to be created.  The only real difference between the two in abortion and how to use the military.  I think the misery index is back and the Republican Party will get the blame because of the socialist congress refusing Republican party agenda.  The cold war is also back.

The Bear Family.

[el_ruso]

The scandal I mentioned does not involve her brother-in-law (which is nothing), but rather her daughter.  It is not yet in prime media yet due to the hurricane and a need to research it, but if the allegations are true, it will truly explode.

Further, landslide is not likely, and would be more probable the other way.  Just look at the state of the economy that the GOP is responsible for, shipping out of jobs, and all the waste of $ and American lives on the war, and the fact that millions of people demand affordable healthcare.

Re effect of Palin, I think it will just energize the base.  Clinton's women voted for her due to her stance on issues aside from the gender solidarity, and her die-hard supporters are also die-hard on abortion and/or healthcare.  Dems are clearly worried, but I doubt that she will attract Clinton's women.

How does being a Governor for not even 2 years give her more foreign experience than a Senator???  Especially, compared to her direct opponent Biden who is a chairman of foreign relations committee?  Besides, McCain who is 72 should have "put country first" when picking a VP, rather than election expediency, and pick someone who is actually qualified to become a President.  First he flip-flopped on all the issues where he had his own opinion, then this.  And this guy is running as an embodiment of integrity?  Hahaha.

[fathertime]

Christ russo! You believed that Palin pretended to give birth to her fifth child when in actuality it was Palin's daughters child?  You are ridiculous and desperate!   You wanted that to be true?  That is truely classless of you! 

So Palin's daughter is pregnant at 17?  Why is that so much larger a story then the Lewinsky thing?  I frankly don't give a damn about either really, but your butthuggers seem to be all knotted up about this gossip.

Fathertime!

[william3rd]

Parenting problems in the VP? Hell- a month ago she didnt even know what the job was. . . . and we are worrying about her daughter being a tramp?

I wouldnt exactly see this scandal as earthshaking. . . 

[Ramgoat]

Paulin's 17yr. old dtr that's in highschool is 4months pregnant, and is engaged to be married.  I'm not judgemental so I could care less.  But it's so funny and hypocritic how many conservatives boast on how one she live their live, and even vote on law to that the regular folks have to live live in their magnificent shadows, and they're mostly full of crap themselves. 
Why do people equate some sort of providing for one's citizens (socialism) as communism or even something more oppressive? America will not become a socialist country, because we are the most capitalistic country in the world and that will never change.  Citizens paying taxes and wanted better healthcare for their families is the only social generous promotion that Obama has made, and I'm behind him all the way. Nothing wrong with more people going to college, healthcare for all citizens, and a focus on America (not the world).
People don't realized that the President can only do things that are approved by the Congress and Senate anyway; for example; George Bush got his way because of the people who voted for him and the aproval of Congress and the Senate. 

[el_ruso]

FT,

I didn't "believe" the rumor.  I read it, and thought the story had merit, and wanted to wait to see if it is true.  If I was sure it were true, I would have spelled it out.  I still don't know if it is true, or rather which story is true.  Either one will be damaging.

What I do know is that a woman who just pops out babies and then leaves them to fend for themselves while she is being all political is extremely irresponsible.  Further, imagine if for example Chelsea got pregnant like that?  Imagine the foam in R. Limbaugh's and Sean Hannity's mouths while discussing it.

The difference is here we have a woman who was moralistic about family values and abstinence and stuff like that while she has abandoned here own family responsibilities and her own daughter has not been taught about safe sex because of the religious BS.  Whether the 5th kid is her daughter's, or her daughter is pregnant independent of that, points to a tragically dysfunctional family where parents have failed.  It is irresponsible to leave a 5 month old baby for her own egotistic ambitions, as well as to teach abstinence instead of safe sex to a teen daughter.

It's funny that this stuff happens to those holier-than-thou people, like those anti-gay preacher and congressmen who got caught well, being gay.

[Ray]

FT,

I didn't "believe" the rumor.  I read it, and thought the story had merit, and wanted to wait to see if it is true.  If I was sure it were true, I would have spelled it out.  I still don't know if it is true, or rather which story is true.  Either one will be damaging.

What I do know is that a woman who just pops out babies and then leaves them to fend for themselves while she is being all political is extremely irresponsible.  Further, imagine if for example Chelsea got pregnant like that?  Imagine the foam in R. Limbaugh's and Sean Hannity's mouths while discussing it.

The difference is here we have a woman who was moralistic about family values and abstinence and stuff like that while she has abandoned here own family responsibilities and her own daughter has not been taught about safe sex because of the religious BS.  Whether the 5th kid is her daughter's, or her daughter is pregnant independent of that, points to a tragically dysfunctional family where parents have failed.  It is irresponsible to leave a 5 month old baby for her own egotistic ambitions, as well as to teach abstinence instead of safe sex to a teen daughter.

It's funny that this stuff happens to those holier-than-thou people, like those anti-gay preacher and congressmen who got caught well, being gay.

Well folks, let me take this opportunity to point out just how deranged and stupid liberals are, as evidenced by the latest oral diarrhea spewing forth from the mouth of our resident leftist, russo. This is what liberals do.

Only an idiot (yes, idiot!) would believe the leftist crap posted on that hate rag the Daily Kos. Russo says he didn’t believe it? HAHA! He couldn’t wait to run here and make his asinine post while trembling with excitement. He even admitted that he wanted it to be true as he giddily proclaimed this would be the final blow to McCain.

And now he tries to smear the lady by stating that she “abandoned” her family to run for VP? Where does this dude get these stupid ideas? Now who is being "holier-than-thou", you hypocrite?

I guess it only shows the desperation and derangement of the liberals. I think they are finally coming to the realization that their messiah Obama is probably going to get trashed by the voters in November, just as their heroes algore and Kerry went down in flames… LOL!

The libs are so scared of Sarah Palin that they will gladly jump in the cesspool and spread lies, innuendoes, and hate speech. Go ahead libs, keep showing your desperation and continue making fools of yourselves in public. I love it!

Note: If you didn’t know the difference between a liberal and a conservative, now you should. While most conservatives see a pregnancy as a blessing, most liberals (including Obama) see it as a curse.

[el_ruso]

1. First of all, 'oral' refers to spoken word.  The post by definition cannot be oral.    I am at your service to help you with your English  .

2. I didn't write the exact rumor or news because I wanted to see if it is actually true.  Apparently it is, or at least the girl is admittedly pregnant.

3. Pregnancy is not a curse.  It is the ultimate self-realization of the parent in question, and should happen in a family environment to people who are mature and responsible enough.  When a parent has her own daughter get pregnant at 17, it is her failure for failing to teach her responsibility of being a sexual adult.  I happen to be very conservative on most social issues (except for the ones that have to do with the religion).  However, the economic and foreign policy are a lot more important than "social issues" that do not affect me personally.  On social issues I am closer to Huckabee than Obama, but 1)moralistic people in my experience are the ones with skeletons in the closet and 2)I resent when others tell me what to do with my life and do not want to do that to others, even if I disagree with their choices.

4. The issue is that a 17 yo girl is not really ready to start a family, and doing that robs her of freedom and fun that a girl in that age should enjoy.  It is a tremendous responsibility, and there is a very high chance that her bf will not stick around raising the kid, no matter what the family is saying right now.  It is admirable that she chose to keep the baby (although who knows if it was her or her mom's decision), but she should not have gotten pregnant in the first place.

5. A parent is responsible to raise a child, including sex education.  It is clear that a woman who is willing to leave raising a 5 mo baby in favor of personal ambitions and a political campaign was as involved in raising her older daughter.

6. Palin is not the most appealing choice for anyone beyond the GOP base, which was voting for GOP anyway.  Liberman or Ridge whould have been a lot stronger.  She lacks experience and exposure to be able to become a President, and given McCain's age, that is a very pertinent issue.  And no, running a small town in the middle of nowhere is not valid experience.

7. No, we are not desperate.  Is the tone of my post angry or deranged?  No.  Is yours?  Yes.  I am calm and happy seeing how the Republicans are self-destructing.  Nice!  In addition to the presidency, Dems will have an absolute majority in the Senate.  You will not recognize the country 4 years from now.  So, learn to meditate.  It should help relieve the anger and frustration.

8. GOP was the one that was making a big deal over some intern doing a blowjob to the President.  He almost got impeached over that (!).  So, Palin has been a VP candidate for two days, and two scandals are already out.  Who knows what else will be dug up.

[Ray]

1. First of all, 'oral' refers to spoken word.  The post by definition cannot be oral.    I am at your service to help you with your English  .

2. I didn't write the exact rumor or news because I wanted to see if it is actually true.  Apparently it is, or at least the girl is admittedly pregnant.

3. Pregnancy is not a curse.  It is the ultimate self-realization of the parent in question, and should happen in a family environment to people who are mature and responsible enough.  When a parent has her own daughter get pregnant at 17, it is her failure for failing to teach her responsibility of being a sexual adult.  I happen to be very conservative on most social issues (except for the ones that have to do with the religion).  However, the economic and foreign policy are a lot more important than "social issues" that do not affect me personally.  On social issues I am closer to Huckabee than Obama, but 1)moralistic people in my experience are the ones with skeletons in the closet and 2)I resent when others tell me what to do with my life and do not want to do that to others, even if I disagree with their choices.

4. The issue is that a 17 yo girl is not really ready to start a family, and doing that robs her of freedom and fun that a girl in that age should enjoy.  It is a tremendous responsibility, and there is a very high chance that her bf will not stick around raising the kid, no matter what the family is saying right now.  It is admirable that she chose to keep the baby (although who knows if it was her or her mom's decision), but she should not have gotten pregnant in the first place.

5. A parent is responsible to raise a child, including sex education.  It is clear that a woman who is willing to leave raising a 5 mo baby in favor of personal ambitions and a political campaign was as involved in raising her older daughter.

6. Palin is not the most appealing choice for anyone beyond the GOP base, which was voting for GOP anyway.  Liberman or Ridge whould have been a lot stronger.  She lacks experience and exposure to be able to become a President, and given McCain's age, that is a very pertinent issue.  And no, running a small town in the middle of nowhere is not valid experience.

7. No, we are not desperate.  Is the tone of my post angry or deranged?  No.  Is yours?  Yes.  I am calm and happy seeing how the Republicans are self-destructing.  Nice!  In addition to the presidency, Dems will have an absolute majority in the Senate.  You will not recognize the country 4 years from now.  So, learn to meditate.  It should help relieve the anger and frustration.

8. GOP was the one that was making a big deal over some intern doing a blowjob to the President.  He almost got impeached over that (!).  So, Palin has been a VP candidate for two days, and two scandals are already out.  Who knows what else will be dug up.

Huh?

I didn't write the exact rumor or news because I wanted to see if it is actually true.  Apparently it is, or at least the girl is admittedly pregnant.

Then why did you start a thread about it before you found if it was true? Because you’re a spiteful little rumor-mongering liberal and you even said you wanted it to be true.

And the daughter’s pregnancy was NOT the rumor you had in mind russo. Let’s start being honest , OK? The rumor about the real mother of Sarah’s baby was nothing but crap and you know it. Admit you were wrong, if you are man enough.

…moralistic people in my experience are the ones with skeletons in the closet and I resent when others tell me what to do with my life and do not want to do that to others, even if I disagree with their choices.

Oh stop with the holier-than-thou crap russo! You’re nothing but a phony. YOU are the one preaching the moralistic junk here! You resent others telling you what to do with your life while YOU sit here preaching about who should not get pregnant, who should not run for VP, who is a bad parent, blah, blah, blah… You’re being a moralistic hypocrite, like most libs.

GOP was the one that was making a big deal over some intern doing a blowjob to the President.  He almost got impeached over that.

Correction russo: Clinton WAS impeached and getting a bj was not in the articles of impeachment. Clinton was impeached for LYING, not for disrespecting the office of the president or getting his tubes blown.

[leather neck]

You will not recognize the country 4 years from now.  So, learn to meditate.  It should help relieve the anger and frustration.

That is exactly what is the "libs" should never have complete control, if you need an example of how they can wreck a once nice place...look no futher than California!

I am sure they can't wait to  gain a few million new supporters, that is, after they make all of the "illegals" legal.

Absolutely scary!!!


Leatherneck

[Jeff S]

Why do people equate some sort of providing for one's citizens (socialism) as communism or even something more oppressive?

I assume you mean" "Why do people equate some sort of providing for one's citizens by the government (socialism) as communism or even something more oppressive?

Because that's the very definition of socialism, forcibly taking from one group of people to give to others. While it sounds noble, it has NEVER ONCE worked. The Pilgrims tried it and it failed: http://forum.isi.org/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3830054552/m/1850052092 See how well it worked in Russia, North Korea, Cuba. It is failing miserably in Europe. http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/001843.php and let's talk about the terrific health care system they have over there: http://www.burtonreport.com/InfhealthCare/BritNatHealthServ.htm

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results each time. Liberals, who in this country are socialists, constantly make the empty claim that this time it will all be different. Guess what, it never is.

When capitalists like Kennedy (ask not what your country can do for you) or Reagan (the government is the problem not the solution) slash taxes and put the power to decide back in the hands of the people - EVERYBODY prospers.

So, if you are truly compassionate and want everyone to prosper, which method do you think might work better, Kennedy's or Castro's? Reagan's or Schroeder's?

[william3rd]

all this namecalling. . . . . seems that is all that the GOP can do these days. Cant wait to tune into the RNC and join in for a rousing rendition of the Horst Wessel song. . .

As a moderate, my opinion is that this constant yammering about lib this and lib that is not what we as americans have been all about. Besides that isnt a lib screwing things up in Washington. That is YOUR boy.

Our country is in crisis, folks. After 8 years under the tutelage of the ayatollah of the West, do you really think that the lib mantra carries much weight anymore? Look at what this right wing zealot has done to our country. Are you rightists going to own your mistake or keep on yammering? Probably yammer. it is easier

[michaelb]

You will not recognize the country 4 years from now.

Yeah, that's what we're afraid of.

[Jeff S]

Back to the topic at hand,

Lifetime NRA member
Fired corrupt high-level government employees of her own party
Had her downs syndrome child even though she knew it early term
Sold the governor's private jet to cut back on wasteful spending
Took on big oil and forced then to abide by agreements they'd made
86% approval rating among Alaskans
Married to a blue collar outdoorsman.

What's not to love about this candidate:

[Bear]

Paulin's 17yr. old dtr that's in highschool is 4months pregnant, and is engaged to be married.  I'm not judgemental so I could care less.  But it's so funny and hypocritic how many conservatives boast on how one she live their live, and even vote on law to that the regular folks have to live live in their magnificent shadows, and they're mostly full of crap themselves. 
Why do people equate some sort of providing for one's citizens (socialism) as communism or even something more oppressive? America will not become a socialist country, because we are the most capitalistic country in the world and that will never change.  Citizens paying taxes and wanted better healthcare for their families is the only social generous promotion that Obama has made, and I'm behind him all the way. Nothing wrong with more people going to college, healthcare for all citizens, and a focus on America (not the world).People don't realized that the President can only do things that are approved by the Congress and Senate anyway; for example; George Bush got his way because of the people who voted for him and the aproval of Congress and the Senate. 

Because they take away the RIGHT and replace it with a government controlled PRIVELEGE.  You can already do what they say "they will give you" if they would get out of the way and stop trying to control it.  Its called Socialism.

The Bear Family

[Bear]

Our country is in crisis, folks. After 8 years under the tutelage of the ayatollah of the West, do you really think that the lib mantra carries much weight anymore? Look at what this right wing zealot has done to our country. Are you rightists going to own your mistake or keep on yammering? Probably yammer. it is easier

Hmmmm What about the lower acceptability ranked Congress?  Why is it the President is always blamed when he is stopped in his tracks by the other party?

Vote "NONE OF THE ABOVE-PERIOD!

The Bear Family

[el_ruso]

He was stopped for a reason!  Do you remember what he has "achieved" when he was not being stopped?

This dark page is about to be over.  The troops will be brought back from Iraq and waste on that war will terminate, healthcare reform finally will be instituted, tax system will be reformed and the extreme "trickle down" economics will be over, and the reckless "deregulation" of the economy will be turned back.  Well, if the cost for this is that the gays in San Francisco may get "married", well, so be it. 

Democrats last time around have achieved a healthy economic growth, balanced the budget, improved social services, and that with the resistance from the GOP last time around!  GOP has since ruined the economy, launched a wasteful war (while cutting taxes at the same time despite record deficits!), increased the debt to truly astronomic size, destabilized markets from electricity to housing, demolished the currency to a point that without help from Arabs and China the government would have been on the verge of default.  Are you blind?  Now as the congress will have a very solid Dem majority and the presidency of Obama, they will relegate the GOP to margins of the political life.

[Jeff S]

Democrats last time around have achieved a healthy economic growth, balanced the budget, improved social services,

You got that part right.... They were forced into it by Newt Gingrich and it was called the Contract with America - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract_with_America

[Ray]

all this namecalling. . . . . seems that is all that the GOP can do these days. Cant wait to tune into the RNC and join in for a rousing rendition of the Horst Wessel song. . .

As a moderate, my opinion is that this constant yammering about lib this and lib that is not what we as americans have been all about. Besides that isnt a lib screwing things up in Washington. That is YOUR boy.

Our country is in crisis, folks. After 8 years under the tutelage of the ayatollah of the West, do you really think that the lib mantra carries much weight anymore? Look at what this right wing zealot has done to our country. Are you rightists going to own your mistake or keep on yammering? Probably yammer. it is easier

Hey William,

Now who is "yammering"?

While you whine about name-calling, I counted at least three(3) instances of YOUR name-calling in this very post. Sounds like more of the typical liberal mantra to me...

That's OK buddy, keep on yammering...that's what America is all about! 

[el_ruso]

I do not deny the role of Gingrich in balancing the budget.  Unfortunately, under the current GOP leadership, however, the deficit got worse than it ever had been.  The best form of government is when GOP and Dems balance each other which denies the zealots (such as gay marriage activists, or those who want to teach creationism, etc.), but GOP has done so much damage under Bush that the country will benefit from a few years of Dem control just to undo it.  Will the Dems balance the budget?  I don't know, but since the GOP failed to do that, Dems should have the chance.

[Bob_S]

I do not deny the role of Gingrich in balancing the budget.  Unfortunately, under the current GOP leadership, however, the deficit got worse than it ever had been.

Hard to disagree with you there.  Virtually every Clinton success could be attributed to the efforts of Gingrich.  But unfortunately, Gingrich interfered with the efforts of the RINO leadership's K-Street project, so they threw him to the wolves and exploded spending.  Hopefully they learned their lesson in 2006 for what happens when they abandon their principles.

I don't know, but since the GOP failed to do that, Dems should have the chance.

Uh, the Dems did have a chance, for 40 years prior to the 1994 Gingrich revolution.  Don't expect things to get better in the short run.  But, sometimes it takes a Carter to give us a Reagan, so even if Comrade Obama becomes our Premier, hope is not completely lost. 

Vote "NONE OF THE ABOVE-PERIOD!

That would be Bob Barr, the non-of-the-above candidate!

[Bear]

That would be Bob Barr, the non-of-the-above candidate!

No it means not to re-elect anyone including and especially Bob Barr.

The Bear Family