Possible Palin scandal

[Ramgoat]

Hey Dave; You're getting ahead of yourself buddy. Have I ever been to another third world country.  Yes I have! I was born in a 3rd world country and I've proudly been an american citizen for over 20yrs.  And, yes I have been to Africa, and India, and through Europe, Brazil 2 years ago, and Dominican Republic 3 months ago. Don't assume to know me.  I said nothing insulting about America.  My reference about "calming my rage towards the man was directed towards McCain because he's not my candidate, and it was actually just joke.  Maybe I should have put LOL next to it.  Don't assume from my pic that I am mad at world or at America.  I love everyone, as well as America for the opportunities for which it has provided me.  Let's just agree to disagree.  I agree with El Russo and don't think that our country in todays time need the "same old thing, which is McCain".  That's my opinion and I stand by it.  

[Ramgoat]

At the end of the day guys, America is not a dictatorship (although it was hard to tell from the last 8 years) and our country will be ok.  There have been good presidents as well as bad presidents and I truly believe that no matter which candidates are elected, we will be ok.  One man doesn't make all the decisions, it has to be aproved by Congress and the Senate.  Also, whomever is elected president, he will have an entourage of educated professionals at his side to keep him in check (hopefully). 
Oh Dave; I still can't believe that you had the nerve to post those unnecessary images of starving kids.  You must have thought that you were putting me in check.  I am glad that I was able to put myself through school and acquire a doctorate degree in physical therapy although neither or my parents whom were born in Jamaica were able to complete college.  So, check  yourself before you assume to know me.  I'm hoping that you just misunderstood my previous post but even then I still think that you were getting way ahead of yourself and assuming way "above your pay grade".

[Dave H]

Hey Dave; You're getting ahead of yourself buddy. Have I ever been to another third world country.  Yes I have! I was born in a 3rd world country and I've proudly been an american citizen for over 20yrs.  And, yes I have been to Africa, and India, and through Europe, Brazil 2 years ago, and Dominican Republic 3 months ago. Don't assume to know me.  

Great! Then may I asssume you lost your memory along the way or were too busy playing your PSP to look around?

The liberal McCain is my candidate by default only...so was Bush. I voted for Alan Keyes over Bush in the 2000 Republican Presidential Primary.

Dave

[Dave H]

Hey Ramgoat,

I don't want to waste time with a war...I have deleted my response to your 'Reply # 51.'  I will let the other "conservatives" have their chance. Congratulations on your degree!

Dave

[Ray]

America needs to evolve, and so should some of these hypocritic, morally superior conservatives.

…"the family should be commended for keeping the baby".  That's bull[snip]! Teenage mothers have babys daily, that's why they are called teenage mothers.  They deserve no commendations, they're the ones who spread their legs and spit out a kid that they can't support without their parents.

Be open-minded guys!

Now listen up young man,

If any participants in this thread are being hypocrites and flaunting their moral superiority, it’s ruso and YOU. It’s no wonder that you agree with his phony BS.

Please! If you’re going to attempt to portray conservatives with silly terms like “morally superior”, then at least have the good sense to come down off of your high horse and stop spewing your own moral superiority as you and ruso have obviously done right here.

And please don’t tell us to be open-minded while you display your own closed-mindedness…

Peace,

Ray    

[Ramgoat]

Dave;

LOL, I don't have a PSP.  This political stuff sure gets people fired up. Hey Dave, did you happen to already have starving kids saved on your computer, or did you scurry about online to illustrate to me specifically, by inferring that I should be happy that I can give my opinion.  Don't delete your response buddy, leave it up there.  And as far as you congratulating me on my degree so sarcastically, thank you.  It means alot to me that Dave is proud of me, and my life is now complete. 

[Dave H]

Hey Ray,

Fortunately, many liberals grow up and become conservatives! I don't have much time to debate as we have Hanna, Ike, and Josephine headed our way! I have to get up early and start to batten down the hatches! I may not have an Internet connection in a few days. It looks like Ike (Category 4 at the moment),
might hit us. It will make Katrina look like a summer breeze! On the bright side, a US Navy recruiter is coming by the house tomorrow to meet with my  son. Keep your fingers crossed!  

Dave

[Dave H]

Dave;

And as far as you congratulating me on my degree so sarcastically, thank you.  It means alot to me that Dave is proud of me, and my life is now complete. 

I was being sincere...but you assumed wrong!  One love!

Dave

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[leather neck]

Jeff S,

The people that blindly support Nobama, could care less about the real CHANGE that will result from this man being pres and a democratically controlled congress. If you ask 'em, "exactly what kind of change, or just what will Nobama change?" You will usually get anything form complete silence to alot of jiber jaber, that makes no sense.

How on earth can you profess to care about the pooooor, but then rob them of 28% of any gain from the sell of the family home?

And steal property from the poooor (with that insidious inheritance tax) upon the death of a loved one, which prevents poor people from getting a leg up financially thru inheriting property.

But it is Nobama and his type that care more about the poooor than conservatives...and people swallow this nonsense hook-line-and-sinker.

Yeap, you'll get CHANGE alright...your money changed from your family and your pocket to the feds big, black, federal, rat hole!

As I said in an earlier post...you need look no further than "the once Golden State," to see what happens when far left liberals get total control of government.


Leatherneck

[william3rd]

In an address last June, the Republican vice presidential candidate also urged ministry students to pray for a plan to build a $30 billion natural gas pipeline in the state, calling it "God's will."

Palin asked the students to pray for the troops in Iraq, and noted that her eldest son, Track, was expected to be deployed there.

"Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God," she said. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's plan."

A video of the speech was posted at the Wasilla Assembly of God's Web site before finding its way on to other sites on the Internet.

THIS SEEMS A LITTLE SCARY. . . . . . . MORE RELIGIOUS EXTREMISM.

As a parent, I dont think much about her mothering either-that pregnancy happened on her watch, no matter how you spin it. Complete failure in her family leadership skills.

But then, personally leading the Alaskan National Guard against that Russian menace, she probably didnt have time to supervise her daughter or to instill family values

[Ray]

This is hilarious!

Sarah gives the speech of a lifetime and now all the Dems and their leftist media hacks are running scared and acting like total anus brains.

They don’t dare debate her on the real issues so they come out with this incessant whining about her parenting skills, questions about the real mother of her baby, her husband’s DUI 20 years ago, and any other irrelevant nonsense they can dig up or make up in their sick little minds.

It’s so obvious that the lefties are scared to death of this woman. I love it! I love it! I love it!

You go Sarah! Give the little weenies hell!

[Jeff S]

Someone asking for prayers before her son is deployed in Iraq is RELIGIOUS EXTREMISM?  Take out a penny - look at what it says on top of Lincoln's head:

In God We Trust. It's a main theme this country was founded on.

George Washington knelt in the snow at Valley Forge to pray. Abraham Lincoln prayed before making any major decision. Dwight D. Eisenhower prayed for his troops before every campaign then again as president.

I guess then if it weren't for religious extremism, this country may never have been formed, may never have held together, and may have been destroyed.

Thank God for religious extremism.

[william3rd]

You missed the other sentence about our troops going out on a task from god-same thing the Muslims are doing, right? As they attack us, they are doing god's work. So they are not extremists now? Assembly of God is pretty extreme-just this side of Faith Homes.

As for her parenting skills. . . . . hahahahahahahahaha. It happened on HER watch, pal. Custody has been changed for less. Maybe the rules are different in the LARGEST state (47th by POPULATION) or for Republican Politicians. And if your daughter were knocked up in high school, you wouldnt be broadcasting it. Or maybe you would. . . . family values?

And the Highway to Nowhere? She was fer it before she was aginst it. . . .

In the scheme of things, who cares? It was a pick of desperation.

By the way- gotta joke for you goose-stepping types out there. What does the zeppelin and Russ Limbaugh have in common? They are both Nazi gasbags!!!

[Bob_S]

Obama was brave for subjecting himself to the mob of conservative, republicans, evangelicals at Saddleback.

Oh yeah, those crazy middle-class Orange County Republicans are soooo dangerous, The One really risked his life wading into that lions' den!  Why, if he wasn't careful, they might have pied him! Oh wait, it's libs that do that to conservative speakers.  But, they might have vandalized his car!  Oh wait, it's libs that do that to cars with conservative bumper stickers and anyone else they disagree with.

No answer that he could have given would have satisfied his critics about the abortion debate or when life begins.  He was correct in saying that it isn't his place to say when life begins because no two people will ever agree 100%.

Um, yes, it is his place to say.  As the Prez, it will be his job to sign or reject bills dealing with life and death issues every day.  If the Obamessiah cannot make the decision, perhaps he should step aside and let Biden lead the ticket?

If you are driven by religion, you are pretty much set in your ways.  Let's reach a compromise and say instead; hey, I don't know if life begins when the sperm hits the egg or when when the baby is born, so how about no abortion beyond the 1st. trimester; but if you're a conservative republican, there is no such thing as a compromise.

You cannot compromise with the religious right, but you can compromise with conservative republicans.  Most would be happy with simply ending the practice of taking their tax money to pay for what is basically elective surgery.  It's the radical feminists you cannot compromise with.  They demand state-funded abortion on demand up through the end of the 3rd trimester which is what we legally have now.  And any ANY limits even to halt late 3rd trimester partial birth abortions except in the case of the mother's physical health is regarded as a horrible betrayal of women's rights.  And Obamessiah, our savior who will turn back the tides and save the planet, is just their guy to defend legal infanticide.

They couldn't even give him praise when he gave that touching speech last week.   I bet if it were Obama's 17yr. old dtr. whom was pregnant, the conservatives would be having an uproar on the morality of the matter.  But when it's their candidate they say "the family should be commended for keeping the baby".

On this point I agree.  If it had been the sacred daughter of The One, the same people excusing Palin's mothering would be ripping into Michelle O's nurturing skills.  It's the one criticism of Palin I agree with.  I'm glad I didn't have someone like her for my mother; I'm grateful I had an actual cookie-baking, runny nose-wiping, boo boo-kissing Mom.  I feel sorry for the kids of whoever wins this popularity contest.

[catz]

Since this doesn't qualify for either the Latin or Asian side do I need to create an Off Topic Flame Room?

While these discussions are interesting they do tend to get a little over the top from time to time. Just a little preemptive strike on the WMD's that members may be thinking of using...

[Bob_S]

Since this doesn't qualify for either the Latin or Asian side do I need to create an Off Topic Flame Room?

Probably a good idea.  Or just lock it.  After all, we've reached "Stoll's Corollary".

Godwin's Law: As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.

Stoll's Corollary to Godwin's Law: Once a discussion reaches a comparison to Nazis or Hitler, its usefulness is over.

If you honestly think John Ashcroft or elected Republicans in general are Nazis, then you are either a moron of ground-shaking proportions or you are so daft that you shouldn’t be allowed to play with grown-up scissors.
-Jonah Goldberg

[el_ruso]

They don’t dare debate her on the real issues so they come out with this incessant whining about her parenting skills, questions about the real mother of her baby, her husband’s DUI 20 years ago, and any other irrelevant nonsense they can dig up or make up in their sick little minds.

And must I remind you the hacks on the right trying to smear Obama, from whatever his pastor once said, to whether he is Muslim, etc.  Now it's payback time, especially since she deserves it!  I will try to find a YouTube of last night's John Stewart show where he was contrasting her, O'Reilly, et al attacks on Dems vs them trying to explain your Sarah's behavior now.  For instance, O'Reilly right now was demanding that Sarah and her child be given privacy and respect, whereas he was condemning Spears' younger sister and her Mom for teenage pregnancy - without giving privacy and respect.  And I don't even mention Dan Quayle and Murphy Brown...

Republicans are eager to ride the morality horse, that they are more virtuous because they attend churches more often, but it turns out that they are everything but, from Palin's daughter's pregnancy to the anti-gay senator caught trying to have gay sex in Minneapolis.  REPUBLICANS ARE PHONIES!!!  Which is why they deserve this, not Palin's daughter of course, but her Mom's party.

And when Palin declares that US troops are in Iraq on a "mission from God", it is a very serious [snip].  These words have discredited the operation beyond anything that Bush and Rummy have done.  This deranged woman has now equated morally US and Al-Qaida!  These words will do more damage to the US foreign policy in the region than anything I could imagine.  I frankly would be more comfortable if they admitted it was to control Iraqi oil, or specifically give it to BP-Amoco.  What exactly is this "mission", and from which "God", and where is this God's memo authorizing this mission?  And I thought Bush was a religious wacko...  Wow!  It can be worse!

There is nothing wrong with politicians having faith.  It is VERY WRONG when they base foreign policy on their religious views and whatever their mission from God is.  I don't want the ideology of Iran be copied in this country.  That would be scary.

You cannot compromise with the religious right, but you can compromise with conservative republicans

Well, no.  Due to abortion zealots on both sides who influence voting, especially in primaries, GOP has to be against abortion under all circumstances, even against the "morning after" pill, and Dems have to be for abortion throughout the pregnancy.  It is an idiotic situation, but I don't see this changing in the short term.

How on earth can you profess to care about the pooooor, but then rob them of 28% of any gain from the sell of the family home?

And steal property from the poooor (with that insidious inheritance tax) upon the death of a loved one, which prevents poor people from getting a leg up financially thru inheriting property.

Well, if the people you talk about are poor, they would not be owning houses or getting large inheritances.  If they do, then they are not poor.  Further, it is necessary to balance the budget, so if this will generate enough revenue to do that, it must be done.

Further, Obama's tax plan will result in tax cuts for 95% of taxpayers.

Further, nobody "blindly" supports Obama.  He stands for very concrete changes:
- universal healthcare
- reducing the military budget in favor of domestic program
- changes to the tax policy that will result
- speedy pullout from Iraq and related waste of resources
- end of the hold of religious zealots on public policy
- domestic service offered as a means to earn college tuition credits
- sane foreign policy
- having a chief executive who can make a sentence without grammatical errors
- and on and on and on

You might or might not agree with Obama's stances, but insisting that he doesn't stand for anything concrete is insanely ignorant.

[Dave H]

By the way- gotta joke for you goose-stepping types out there. What does the zeppelin and Russ Limbaugh have in common? They are both Nazi gasbags!!!

Hey william,

I understand your reasons for hating Hitler, not sure about Limbaugh, maybe his success? But please, your disrespect of zeppelins and the 'goose step' approaches ignominy, even for a lawyer!  The zeppelin is an aircraft for the future! I've raised geese...I assure you they are independent, as well as free thinkers and marchers! 

I think leaders Teddy Roosevelt or Ronald Reagan, are just what America needs in this time of uncertain "Change"! Why are Iran and North Korea still on the friggin' map? Why are the Russians allowed to possess and play with weapons more powerful than a slingshot? 

Dave






http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bljjn5SGvKI

[Ray]

Republicans are eager to ride the morality horse...

Well comrade, since the only ones here that seem to be riding the morality horse are the lefty Democrats, I guess that shoots your BS theory right down the toilet, just like all of your other phony accusations...

Can you spell H Y P O C R I T E ?  

 

[Jeff S]

Locked.

Bob's right. When it degrades to people drawing Hitler analogs or moral equivalence between formally authorized by Congress use of force by UN organized coalitions, and mass murder in the name of religion, it has gone far beyond rational discourse.