decisions HELP!!!!!!!!

[Carl]

... in response to I did seek,..., posted by shadow on Aug 29, 2001

Oh my, Larry
I know you do not want to hear this but, it is the most important thing in ones life. The decision to accept God as thier saviour. Heaven and Hell is real and it will be forever. Good deeds and conscience will not get you to Heaven. God will forgive his children if they are truly a child of God and ask. The ones that kill, and not live under his commandments most likely will not be forgiven. I did not intend on preaching but, you really do need to find the truth. Just read the King James Bible and John 3:16. I hope all I have said on this board will give you some food for thought. May God be with you. I cannot say I am sorry for all this, it is too important. For the rest on this board, I apollogize getting in so deep on this subject. This could go on for a long time, I must stop this time.
Carl

[Lori]

... in response to even when I did..., posted by shadow on Aug 28, 2001

I share simular views with you Larry. But you must understand where Carl is coming from. He would not be a "good christian" if he did not at least try and preach some word of God to you. That's just the way it is. Doesn't mean he is a "this" or a "that", just means he is doing what he is taught to do.So try not to get too upset with him.
Just my opinion....

[shadow]

... in response to Re: even when I did..., posted by Lori on Aug 28, 2001

a good atheist if I didn't try to get him to see reason and logic. That's just the way it is.    Not upset with anybody, Lori.    Thanx for the input. Larry

[Dave H]

... in response to I would not be..., posted by shadow on Aug 28, 2001

Hey Larry or anyone else,

I am not trying to upset anyone. I know that this thread was supposed to be over. But I have always wondered why most of the atheists I know, usually include "God" in the sentence whenever they curse. It is almost as if they make a point of it. I have even heard them do it when they thought no one is around to hear them. I was never a holy roller, so I know they weren't doing it to upset me. When I have asked them about it afterward, they just get more angry and curse at me. Just something that makes me go hmmmm? ;o))

Dave H.

[Lori]

... in response to Re: I would not be..., posted by Dave H on Aug 29, 2001

you busted us....the secret is out...we're all closet christians:-)

[Dave H]

... in response to Re: Oh God..., posted by Lori on Aug 29, 2001

Hi Lori,

I guess you could be a closet Muslim, Jew, Hindu, Ethiopian Zion Coptic or Rastafarian (Jah-Mek-Yah) too. X:o~!

Dave "Dred" H.

[Lori]

... in response to Well..., posted by Dave H on Aug 29, 2001

you know , I once tried being a good christian.... I mean , I would not judge something I know nothing of....at least not consciously. The whole time i felt like I was just fooling everyone. I prayed and prayed ...did good deeds....but could never get the "gift of the holy spirit" as they say. I never really belonged in a church or  believed in the doctrine, and I have tried many.
Ever since I was a little girl I believed in reincarnation.  Having good morals and being good to others and to myself, now that's my religion. Who's knows what'll come in the next life. I know in this life I have learned so much, I have come so far, and improved on my person, if you can understand that.
now I'm babbling....
bye for now ......lori

[shadow]

... in response to Re: Well..., posted by Lori on Aug 29, 2001

I really tried to believe in several stages of my life. At times, coincidental things happened that a religious person would chalk up to the work of god. However, in the end, it all turned out to be just what it was. A coincidence.

Recently, I have been giving serious thought to spending months (or even years) in the PI working with underprivileged people, namely little children of the world, and habitat for humanity. I started looking for people who would sponsor me to do so, at say $30 a month. I have several people that will do so, but many I talked with would only do so if I went with the intent of forcing religion on these people, or "spreading the word of god" as several of them put it. Sorry, I can't do that. In actuallity, this tells me what kind of people they really are. Were they really "christian" people, they would not care one way or the other whether I spread the word of god or not. What would matter to them was that I was helping fellow mankind. Obviously, these were very self serving people, who really don't give a rat's *** about the people at all, just about cramming their beliefs down someone elses throat.

I have not given up on this idea, and have come up with several things that may work well in the end. Little children of the world I have given up on, and I seriously question their organizations recognizance. There is something wrong in this organization, I'm not quite sure what it is. Habitat for humanity, on the other hand, is very anxious to have my skills there, and there are people within this organization that are at present trying to find sponsors for me.

Now I'm babbling, but what I'm trying to say is if you have compassion for fellow man, and do what you can, when you can to show it, to me that shows MUCH more morals than any self righteous, self serving "christian" ever thought of.

I know that there are many christian people out there, and on this board, that do not try to force their beliefs on everyone. I applaud you. EVERYONE is entitled to their own beliefs. On the other hand, let me ask you this. If you want to do god's work, and you go to a third world country with starving indigent people living in the streets, and you say to them, "We will build you houses and feed you, but you must embrace our religion." Is this REALLY god's work? Or is this the work of self serving people trying to get someone to believe as they do?

Think about it.

Larry.

[shadow]

... in response to Re: I would not be..., posted by Dave H on Aug 29, 2001

[shadow]

... in response to Yours is probably..., posted by shadow on Aug 28, 2001

don't pray for me.

[Dave H]

... in response to Oh, and PLEASE..., posted by shadow on Aug 28, 2001

Sorry Larry,

I didn't read your post before I gave the Jehovah's Witnesses and the PTL Network your name and addresses in      Wyoming, Oregon, Washington, and Arizona. ;o))  As for the Mormons, I think that you can probably outrun their bicycles. But to be safe, maybe Bear can call them off.  ;o)) I can't help you with the Muslims or Buddhists.

You don't shock or upset me a bit, at the same time I am happy for Carl. No need to talk about my life, I wouldn't want to bring you down any more. Besides, I have seen much worse. God or no God, quit feeling sorry for yourself. Shiit Happens!

Good luck bro!

Dave H.

[shadow]

... in response to Too late..., posted by Dave H on Aug 28, 2001

Actually, I'm feeling very well with myself about now, until people start preaching to me.  ) Hope your life gets better!    I've been on the move so much lately nobody could keep up anyway.  Larry.

P.S. Once while in cagayan de oro, I was talking with a girl and her aunt, and told them I would like to rent a motorcycle to ride to Davao. They thought I was nuts, and assured me the muslims were none too friendly. I told them to just find me a motorcycle and a machine gun and I would be all right. They didn't say much more that night, but the next day she took me to this one place where they sold, you guessed it, machine guns!! After careful consideratioon, I decided a plane ticket was cheaper.  

[Dave H]

... in response to Re: Too late..., posted by shadow on Aug 28, 2001

Hey Larry,

Do you think that you could get me that address for the machine guns? ;o)) The plane was defintely a better idea.  My fiancee took a bus from Butuan to Cagayan de Oro recently, which is much safer than going over the mountains to Davao. She went to apply for her passport, then went back the next week to pick it up. Knowing how fast and wild those bus drivers are through the mountain curves, I asked why she took the bus and not a van or taxi. Besides the fact that it was much cheaper, she laughed and said because the bus doesn't stop for anything...including rebel road blocks. =8-0

I am glad to hear you're doing much better. My life has gotten unbelievably better than where it was several years ago. I NEVER thought that would happen. I usually try not to get too excited, so I dont "jinx" myself. I don't mind people preaching to me as long as they don't knock on my door or call me on the phone when I'm in the CR. ;o))  Besides, I do a little myself now and then. The only thing I hate is when I wake up in the morning and people are all cheerful and happy. I'm learning to deal with it. I may have to start drinking coffee again. Thankfully Marife is not a morning person either. I don't know, maybe I'm just jealous. ;o))

Stay away from Humabdos! I hear that he wants to put you to work. It's too darn hot up on those roofs.

Dave H.

[shadow]

... in response to Armored Motorcycles with M-60's...8-D, posted by Dave H on Aug 28, 2001

I can't give you an address, but I could probably get you to a close proximity on a map. I could find the place were I there. Kind of spooky place, made me want a machine gun to go into there.

No coffee?? I'm not exactly a morning person either, but without coffee morning wouldn't end until evening!!

I tried Hum's roofs, and we both concluded I was too old and fat!!    Still might try it again sometime, was great exercise, of which I could use a little more of.  

Larry.

[imi]

... in response to Me too and with you! (n/t), posted by Dave H on Aug 27, 2001

dave, thanks for all your advise.. also "NOTE" that Deon, and Imi are two different people. We attend the same univesity and know each other and are good friends, kinda as he is my cousin. also Deon is a Guy!!! i'm a girl. Deon's fiance is in india, my fiance is in syria.