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Author Topic: The living is easy.  (Read 27726 times)
Wayne
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« on: February 19, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

Well my wife has been here 3 weeks, and it's all been surprisingly uneventful.  A little homesickness and a couple very small misunderstandings, but overall life is really, really good.

It's kind of interesting but it seems that she's been kind of watching for the other shoe to drop in my behaviour.  I guess these girls hear alot of stories about American men changing once they get back to the states.  Of course I haven't changed since my 2 months in Colombia, and now she is relaxed and secure.  I get much more attention and care then I probably deserve, but I take care of her very well also, and she appreciates this very much.  Most of these girls are so used to Colombian men being selfish, if you do anything for these girls, the are very, very happy.  She says that a Colombian man cooking is just unheard of.  I like to cook for her sometimes, and she loves the new American dishes.

So the hunt, and travelling to Cali is very exciting and fun, but are you prepared for the end result of your travels?  Just a simple, uneventful conflict free life with someone who cares about you.  Once your girl is here, it's just a normal marriage and relationship.  (A much better one I have to admit)  After talking with many guys on the hunt, I think that sometimes guys get addicted to the excitement of the chase, and don't really want to settle down.  Have you become addicted to the e-ticket ride?  Travelling to Cali and getting all that attention is definately addictive.

The one thing that my wife keeps noticing is how few attractive girls there are here.  We went to a Mardi Gra party with a huge crowd and she couldn't believe how many more guys there were there, then decent looking girls.  She said that the guys at this Mardi Gra were mui grosero because they were desperate.  She also said that the guys in Colombia were much more casual in their attitude toward girls because they didn't have to compete with each other as much, and there were plenty to go around.  She is a bit disgusted with guys hitting on her when she is out and about, considering she is wearing a wedding ring and does not encourage it.  In her English ESL class she has been joking with me that I should come to class and chi chi around her escritorio to mark my teritory like my dog Walter.  A guy who is jealous or insecure may have some stress in his life after they bring one of these girls here because they get attention.  I don't worry, because she can handle herself.  She once was attacked by a taxi driver in the back of his car.  He locked all the doors and jumped in the back seat to rape her.  My wife had been taking Karate, and proceeded to beat the crap out of this Colombian Taxi driver until he pleaded with her to let him go.  She said the engagement ring that I had given her made a real mess of his face after punching him.  Considering my wife is only 105 lbs, I found this story a little amusing, but also scary considering how it could have turned out.  So anyway I don't worry much about her when she is out.

We did have an interesting conversation last night about age gaps.  I have heard so much conversation on the boards about this subject it was interesting to hear her opionion.  She claims that the girls simply like older guys.  15 years difference is the norm with older examples not unusual.  I asked her if it was the money, but she claimed that in only a small % of the cases this is true.  She said that the young girls simply culturally find older guys more attractive and stable.  She said she couldn't imagine being with a guy who was her age.  She also said that it would be perfectly acceptable for me to chase 16 year olds in Colombia.  (I'm 38)  I said I was looking for a little more menta, and she said that she was mature and smart at 16.  What can I say to that.

So anyway, this whole adventure has been alot of fun.  The chase was fun, and now we have alot of fun married.  Way more fun then I ever had chasing or catching American women.  In my opinion it's all about appreciation, and not being with a women who has always had everything, and is spoiled.  It's appreciating the small things in life and general contentment without the constant drive to have MORE MORE MORE.

My wife couldn't give a rip about shopping or spending.  She is a giver and not a taker.  In fact, the other day she gave away an expensive pair of sunglasses that I had given her, to one of my clients 8 year old daughters.

So my take is go out and find a giver, not a taker.  It really doesn't matter if she is Colombian, American, Russian, or whatever.  It's the selfish girls that cause all the problems.

Wayne

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omar
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« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to The living is easy., posted by Wayne on Feb 19, 2002

I think the Colombian people are so attractive because the alpha men make babies with so many different women whether they are good looking or not, producing attractive babies.
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El Diablo
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« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to The living is easy., posted by Wayne on Feb 19, 2002

The age gap question in Colombia is interesting to me.  Like you I've had conversations with friends in Cali where they would say the exact same thing.  An older guy is more stable etc. etc. etc and makes a better husband.  I don't think they were giving me a gringo line either because these were by and large only friends that I knew when I lived there.

So I kept hearing this reoccuring theme but I wasn't seeing a lot of it on the streets or among my friends families.  I'm up to three ex Calena novias now and that's a lot of family get togethers.  And believe when a latin family gets together were talking aunts, uncles, cousins sometimes two and three times removed.  I was hearing the women talk about this but mom and dad, aunts and uncles were all more or less the same age.  Now I know someone will post about how his novia's mother is married to a 70 year old guy and she's 50.  OK great, I know these things happen but the real question is it happening that much.

Now you mentioned young girls with older guys and I did see some of that but they weren't married from what I could tell.  I think some of these relationships were extramarital.

El Diablo

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Cali vet
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« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Age gaps, posted by El Diablo on Feb 19, 2002

Ahh we're back to that pesky age gap question. It's easy to find out what latinas' age preferences are, just go to sites like amigos.com or cypercupido. The age range desired is right there. No mystery and the typical gap is maybe a tad greater than in the U.S. However any guy fifty or so who has been to Cali has discovered pretty quick that girls in their mid twenties are receptive to him if he's in decent shape and consider him perfectly legitimate marriage material. I've seen it as well as personally experienced it so many times I couldn't even count the occaisons now. And plenty of these relationships result in marriage. Have doubts? Just ask Luz Amparo or Maritza who have been in the agency business in Cali for years. They'll tell you, there are no rules of thumb.
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El Diablo
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« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Age gaps...again, posted by Cali vet on Feb 19, 2002

Come on Vet, those questionaires are filled out by 20 year olds with an intended gringo audience of 35 to 40 year olds.  I'm not disputing them but I think they may be overstated.  I was only observing that in Colombia, among non-gringo relationships, I don't see large age gaps.

El Diablo

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Cali vet
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« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Age gaps...again, posted by El Diablo on Feb 19, 2002

Come on yourself Diablo. What questionaires? Whose said anything about questionaires? I referred to real relationships between real people. And if you've ever been to an agency in Cali and I assume you have then you know I painted an accurate picture. As to Colombian/Colombian relationships they are as I said, as depicted on the Spanish speaking singles sites.
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El Diablo
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« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Age gaps...again, posted by Cali vet on Feb 19, 2002


I assumed that the women on the two web sites you mentioned filled out some kind of questionaire giving bio-data and general preferences.
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El Diablo
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« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Age gaps...again, posted by Cali vet on Feb 19, 2002

My mistake.  I was thinking about Amigos Intl which caters to gringos as opposed to the two you mentioned that cater to latino/latina relationships.  No you are right that would be a good guide for determing preferences.

El Diablo

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Slowandtru
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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Age gaps...again, posted by El Diablo on Feb 19, 2002

My Novia and I are only six years apart but both of her sisters married Colombian men twenty or more years their seniors. Both women are professionals; one an attorney, one a teacher. So...no particular system seems to fit a broad view of age. I have noticed though that the Calena's with less education or more kids tend to be looking for a broader age range. Whether this is indicative that they want out more, are looking for stability or simply feel that they have less options I cannot say. At one time the 'older man' was the match of choice but that stemmed from the notion that women needed someone to 'look after' them...a surrogate daddy and protector. Now the females are more selective and tend to go with what they personally want instead of what they are told to do.
By the way, my Novia is involved through her university with a country-wide study compiling a statistical analysis of sexual mores and customs in present day Colombia city by city. Guess what? Initial findings indicate that far and away Cali has the most liberal attitude among women towards both premarital sex and children outside of marriage. The Cali man is also more tolerant of this in his attitude than in any other city in Colombia. Guess so...those women raised him. Conversely; Cali is the most homophobic city in Colombia.
For what it's worth...there it is. Colombia's own analysis.
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MarkInTx
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« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Age gaps...again, posted by El Diablo on Feb 19, 2002


I'm not sure, El D...

What is your point?

That the women are just wanting a green card, and are desperate to get out?

Or what?

All I know is that I am 41. I went to Russia last year and met a girl who had a Phd, a pretty good life, and had never considered leaving Russia before. She happened across my personal ad while she was looking in the paper for something else, and she started to write to me just to practice her english.

By the time we met, she was very much in love, and although she didn't want to leave her home, she would have in a minute if I had asked her to. She also lied to me about her age (she said she was 25, in reality, she was 23) because she knew if I knew how young she really was, I wouldn't have considered her. She was right. I thought 23 was just too young.

But, you know what? Looking back on it, the age problem was mine. Not hers. And she was NOT just looking for a green card, believe me.

I am meeting a girl in Brazil in two weeks. We have had many conversations, and she is VERY interesting in our meeting. She is 26. When she asked me how old I was, and I told her, she said: "Oh, is that all?"

I said, "Why do I look older in my picture?"

And she said. "No, you look much younger in your picture. I thought you were only thirty, and that worried me." Sure, you can say she was just telling me what she thought I wanted to hear... but I sense not. She is actually happy that I am 40 and settled, with a good job, and a similar outlook on life that she has.

What does this mean?

NOTHING.

I have just related completely anecdotal evidence. It means nothing to you, because it is just things I have experienced and seen. Just as your "observations" of marriages in Cali are anecdotal.

But, from my (limited) experience, I have concluded that we worry about the age gap far more than the ladies do.

In the end, you need to decide what is reasonable for you, and what your criteria is.

I started dating younger women in the states, so dating slightly younger women in Brazil or Mexico or whatever is no big deal for me.

The reason I started dating younger women has nothing to do with ego. I am a single dad. My daughter is only 8. Most women in the states who are my age have kids in their mid to late teens, and they are looking forward to the "empty nest" when they can cut loose and live a little.

I am 12 years away from that. I found that the more important thing -- for me -- than the calender age was the "stage of life" age. That meant I needed to find women who had kids about my daughters age. And that is, primarily, women in their very early 30s. If she is in muid twenties... what do I care? As long as we share the same life values.

Again, my advice is to decide what is important in your life, and find the woman who fits that.

Age seems to be a very bad limiting factor to me. It means little or nothing in reality.

IMHO

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El Diablo
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« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to And your point is...?, posted by MarkInTx on Feb 19, 2002

My observations about my ex novias families were just that, observations.  I was hearing a preference on one hand and seeing something different and I was trying to explain it.  It's not a concern as much as a curiosity and it really wasn't related to anything personal in my own life.  

Cali-Vet is right, we had a very similar discussion about a year ago and I made the exact same observation then that I did today.  I guess I'm bored here at work too....

El Diablo

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Cali vet
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« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: And your point is...?, posted by El Diablo on Feb 19, 2002

Yes it's a topic that gets rehashed every so often but nothing wrong with that since the population of the board is fluid and fresh input on "old themes" is what it's all about.
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MarkInTx
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« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: And your point is...?, posted by Cali vet on Feb 19, 2002

Speaking of hearing it all before...

A guy is in prison. First day there. He's in the cafeteria, and all of the sudden some guy jumps up and yells: "17!" Everyone laughs. Pretty soon, someone yells out: "87!" Everyone laughs.

Guy asks the guy next to him what's going on.

"Oh, well, you see we've all been in here for so long that by now, we've all heard all of the jokes. So, to save time, we numbered them. SO all you need to do is call out the number, and we will remember the joke and it saves time."

"Can I try one?"

"Sure..."

New guy stands up and says: "23!"

No one laughs. So, he says it again. "23!" Still nothing.

He sits back down. "What happened?"

Guy shrugs. "Some people can tell 'em. Some people can't..."

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Cali vet
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« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to I'm sure you've all heard this old Joke, posted by MarkInTx on Feb 20, 2002

What number was that?
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MarkInTx
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« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: I'm sure you've all heard this old J..., posted by Cali vet on Feb 20, 2002

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