Cooling off time for Scaught

[Patrick]

Scaught,

I'm going to disable your account for a few days.  If you wish to continue posting when your account is re-enabled, please share your personal story with the forum.  All you're sharing right now is hate.

[OldRed]

... in response to Cooling off time for Scaught, posted by Patrick on Jun 16, 2005

For those of you that have read Scaught’s posts, try replacing any reference to FSU MOB’s with American Women, Mexican, etc.
The abused spouse refuge or aid is available to all citizens. This site is just directed to the less enlightened.
Any woman can play the Abuse card and many do daily. Most have legitimate claims and deserve to be protected from the abusers.
But, to deem this site as a “Get home free card” is either naïve or corrupt thinking.
This information is openly available to any woman in the US, on any number of websites.
Get a grip Scaught. Ray Charles can see you are a very bitter person.
In the same respect, to lump every woman from the FSU into one category, is not only unfair, it’s immature. You profess to be an educated person and to pass such judgment proves that you can educate the man, but you can’t teach him common sense.
Patrick, I don’t agree with your decision to stifle Scaught, as it’s nothing more than censorship. We can choose to censor Scaught on our own and I have chosen to do so. We don’t need to be protected from Scaught’s tirades. He has provided some insight that we should all be aware of.
I think of this site as a buffet. Take what you want and come back as often as you like, but be careful of what you take away from this site. It can be both useful and harmful. You have to have the maturity and ability to see through the facts and fiction.
CAVEAT EMPTOR!

[Haroshij]

... in response to Cooling off time for Scaught, posted by Patrick on Jun 16, 2005

Patrick, it's your site so you are the king on the heap. I disagree strongly with Scaught and think he sounds very negative, however, I also disagree strongly with your decision to close him out for a periode. If people don't like him, they could ignore him. In fact you admitted yourself that he had contributed in his own weird way. I will not be the first one to bluck somebody because I disagree with them.

Haroshij

[Felinessa]

... in response to Re: Cooling off time for Scaught, posted by Haroshij on Jun 17, 2005

I don't know, I think we've actually had productive conversations since he left.  I know I'm biased, but it's impossible to have a conversation when someone disagrees by default.  It doesn't matter what you say, he'll tell you you're full of crap because he's not able to differentiate between person and opinion.  Under these circumstances, no one learns anything and everyone slowly starts to resent each other.

Normal people tend to vary their reactions according to the situation.  He never does.  He isn't able to see the positive in any situation, and he twists things around to fit his absurd schemas.  He's very manipulative and he puts words in people's mouths, which only leads to negativity and ill-feeling.

I'm not 100% convinced that he was scammed.  Now you all know him better, but he sounds like someone with serious psychological problems.  What if one day he decided to imagine that this happened to him and now he believes it?  Doesn't it strike you as odd that he always talks about THE SCRIPT instead of telling his story?  There is no such thing as THE SCRIPT because everyone has different experiences.  

Why does he refuse to tell his story?  Maybe because there is no story to tell.  He doesn't want to be cornered.  I'm not a psychologist, but given the uniformity of his approaches to everything and the psychotic hatred he pours with every post, I wouldn't be surprised if he's actually schyzophrenic and this MOB scam is part of his "other" life.

Just my 2 c, it's very possible I'm wrong.  But you don't need Scaught for scam info - go on the www.antiscam.org forum. Sure, there are some bitter, bitter men out there too, but there are also nice guys, there are scammer hunters, there are people who spent extensive time in the CEE, and there are women too (contributors, not brides).

[Hamlet]

... in response to Re: Re: Cooling off time for Scaught, posted by Felinessa on Jun 17, 2005

Felinessa,

I enjoy your posts and think that you have valuable contributions to make to this forum.  But I was also surprised and disappointed to read your psychological "diagnosis" of this other poster.

For the record, I have been called a fool, idiot and liar by a man who posts here as Ray when he has disagreed with me in the past.  I never respond to this sort of personal attack and think that is is inappropriate and a nuisance to otherwise useful discourse.

Hamlet

[Ray]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Cooling off time for Scaught, posted by Hamlet on Jun 17, 2005

You ARE a fool, an idiot, and a liar!

Hamlet: "I never respond to this sort of personal attack..."

So tell me Hamlet, why did you respond this time? And why do you keep following me around from forum to forum trying to start a flame war? Because you are a TROLL!

ROFL

[Haroshij]

... in response to Re: Re: Cooling off time for Scaught, posted by Felinessa on Jun 17, 2005

Why do yoou talk to him? When you in general meet unpleasant people, do you have for habit to engage you in conversation with them? I don't. I go away or ignore them.

I still believe in everyones right to free speech.

Haroshij

[Ray]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Cooling off time for Scaught, posted by Haroshij on Jun 17, 2005

Does free speech include the right to impugn another’s reputation in public just because you are angry at the world? I don’t think so. Scaught was obviously out of control and not thinking rationally. Why should someone else pay the price for his prejudice and hatred?

Sure, ignoring someone's flame posts is always an option and it's easy if you're not the one being flamed. Personally, if some idiot falsely accused me and called me a liar in public, I would jump down his throat. But that's just me. IMHO, Scaught asked for whatever comes his way when he started his uncalled for personal attacks on another poster.

Hopefully, he will calm down and return to tell his story while respecting the right of others to express their opinions also. I too would like to hear his story.

Ray

[Haroshij]

... in response to Ignoring Flame Posts, posted by Ray on Jun 17, 2005

"Sure, ignoring someone's flame posts is always an option and it's easy if you're not the one being flamed. Personally, if some idiot falsely accused me and called me a liar in public, I would jump down his throat. But that's just me."

Well that's exactly what you did in another post here. Language like that always tells most about the sender, and I didn't notice Scaught use improper language like that. Maybe I'm mistaken on this last one. I didn't read many of his posts.

Haroshij

[Ray]

... in response to Re: Ignoring Flame Posts, posted by Haroshij on Jun 18, 2005

I didn't falsely accuse anyone and the poster who uses the handle Hamlet is a troll.

Ray

[fathertime]

... in response to Re: Re: Cooling off time for Scaught, posted by Felinessa on Jun 17, 2005

Right now it looks to me like your are taking lots of unnecessary cheap shots at Scaught while he can not respond.  You are successfully lowering your credibility by doing this.  Plenty of us want to hear what he has to say so long as the manner in which he says it is a little more restrained.

[Felinessa]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Cooling off time for Scaught, posted by fathertime on Jun 17, 2005

But you see, I think you've misunderstood me.  I don't care about putting Scaught down.  I'm sorry if what I said wasn't correct, but my post acknowledged that that was a possibility.

The reason why I said that he sounds very fishy is because he is actively giving advice.  Now, as you know, I don't need his advice, so he is not a threat to me.  He is also not a threat to those of you who are experienced and have been here for long enough to take him with a grain of salt.  But he could have a lasting impact on new posters and possibly inflame them to violence and extreme acts against their wives, especially if there is a scamming suspicion, and especially that those men would be in an emotionally fragile situation.

Right now, no one has any proof that Scaught's SCRIPT really happened.  I would really like to hear his story as well, but I just find it odd that he wouldn't tell it when he otherwise dispenses opinions freely.

Like I said before, it's just my 2 c, it's not set in stone, and you are all able to make up your own minds.  This is what I think, and you are more than free to disagree.  As far as credibility goes, meh, that's the last thing I worry about losing.

[fathertime]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Cooling off time for Sca..., posted by Felinessa on Jun 18, 2005


"he could have a lasting impact on new posters and possibly inflame them to violence and extreme acts against their wives"

Where do you come up with this rubbish?

"I would really like to hear his story as well, but I just find it odd that he wouldn't tell it when he otherwise dispenses opinions freely"

He can share what he chooses to share here and it is not "Odd" for a man to keep the details of a bad situation to himself.  If he chooses to share his experience it will not come as a result of your labeling him a "schyzophrenic" and an "Abuser".  

"As far as credibility goes, meh, that's the last thing I worry about losing"

Why concern yourself about something already gone.  So far Scaughts tirades and bits and pieces I have found more useful than your pontificated analysis, attacks, and diagnosis of him.

Now that Scaught is not here can we talk about something other than Scaught?
Fathertime

[Felinessa]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Cooling off time for..., posted by fathertime on Jun 18, 2005

To each his own.

[Frank O]

... in response to Cooling off time for Scaught, posted by Patrick on Jun 16, 2005

I don't know how LONG it's been with him but mine is pretty fresh yet I'm NOT reacting out of hate. I don't wish my wife ill will I just don't want her doing this again. I'm also NOT accusing ALL Ukrainian women of being like her. IF that were the case I wouldn't be planning to go back.