Fished out?///?/?/??//?

[wsbill]

... in response to Fished out?///?/?/??//?, posted by Mark H on Aug 12, 2002

And not find a match.  

(What are you doing with all your time...visiting Tootsie?)

I think on the 6th trip you should run a ad in the newpapers of the cities you plan, about 2 months in advance of your visit and also, do what most guys do... hit every agency in town.

Clearly, what you've done in the past isn't working.
Time to re-think your methods.

[Mark H]

... in response to Re: Not everybody get the chance to go o..., posted by wsbill on Aug 12, 2002

Bill,
Don't be so quick to say it "isn't working". Perhaps it has worked just fine. I'm  not married but I haven't been scammed either. Other than Milena on Jack's site, and that's a sore subject too....huh Jackie Chan  

Anyway, I'm content with my 5 trips. I'd do 5 more just like them if I could, perhaps I will. Who knows, the key is to not try too awfully hard. I'm having a ball, that's all that matters.

Mark h

[Jack]

... in response to Re: Re: Not everybody get the chance to ..., posted by Mark H on Aug 12, 2002

Mark, I say it's time to expose a scammer, don't you?

You are no different than any other guy I take scam reports from in that I will never post, or consider to post, a proclaimed scammer without the guys presenting some type of proof. All the reported scammers on my site today have left written proof, a written trail so to say. It is easy to read between the lines of what they have written as to what there motives are. I say it's time to post her scammer activities Mark. Send some proof of her scam. I know she didn't have interest in you after meeting with you and it's happened a few times in the past where a rejected man wanted to label a woman as a scammer. I am not saying that you are in this group, but I would say it's time to put her in her rightful place if she is a scammer. You know I cannot post a woman as a scammer just because a guy says he was scammed, most guys can prove they were scammed. You can send any and all proof of her being a scammer to nunya@ix.netcom.com    I would be most interested in seeing your report and of course getting her side of the story.  

[Mark H]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Not everybody get the chance..., posted by Jack on Aug 13, 2002

Jack, Jack, Jack,

I'm not going to rehash all this crap with you. It was a joke! Just like your shot down below in your post. I KNOW she is full of crap. I KNOW she is a scammer. I KNOW she is not serious. That's enough for me. If anyone else wants to date her...be my freaking guest. I could care less. I DUMPED HER, remember? I BLEW HER off, remember? She's not serious, she's playing games and wasting peoples time. If you like having chicks like that on your site...that's your business. I don't harbor ill feelings toward her, or you for that matter. The bottom line is:    I could care less. I don't need to whine and send you letters or anything else to "prove" she is a scammer. I'm not an idiot. I know when someone is serious and when someone is playing games. Her tactics, her statements....she's full of crap. You and I both know it. Keep her on your site, I'm sure she makes alot of money for you!    As for trying to paint the picture....IN EVERYONE OF YOUR POSTS ON THIS ISSUE....that I am some scorned, rejected, goof ball----- give it a rest. WE all know your silly tactics by this point. I am not scorned, I was not rejected, I rejected her cuz she was full of crap. Let it go Jack, let it go.

Mark H

[Jack]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Not everybody get the ch..., posted by Mark H on Aug 13, 2002

Mark, please tell me how she is a scammer. You want to tell everyone she is a scammer, she deserves the right to defend herself. Whatever you say about her that in your eyes convienced you she was a scammer, I am going to send to her personaly so she can respond and reply back publicy.

Doesn't seem to me that I am asking for much Mark. You publicly identified her and called her a scammer. No one else has, only you have. She has the right to defend herself to your claims, do you not agree?

[Mark H]

... in response to Mark, posted by Jack on Aug 13, 2002

Jack,
You just can't let it go can you? She's full of crap. I realize she's a hot looking little 23 year old that makes you alot of cash. She is one of your cash cows, but it doesn't change the fact that she's a scammer. I don't believe a word out of her greedy little mouth. Defend herself? I don't care what she does. As far as rebutting anything I say, who cares? I wish I still had the emails she sent, then you'd see the real Milena. Ask MarkinTX, he knows exactly what I am talking about. I don't think she confused us for a second. Mark is in his 40's, I'm not? When she writes that "43 is too old for her anyway and she was just playing"...sounds insincere to me? Oh, how about the one about "my dad works for the government, his job is important. I can't possibly marry anyone 'officially' for 2 years, it could jeapordize his job". "but, you can marry me in Ukraine and send me money every month, taking care of me".  Sound legit? Of course she'll deny saying it, so what's the point? I was THERE, sitting at the posh restaurant she scammed a meal out of me in. $115 bucks for lunch in Kiev? Give me a break, she picked the most expensive place she could have found...and ordered accordingly. SHe's full of crap. I really don't care WHO knows it. Let it go, it's my opinion...doesn't have to be yours or anyone elses. This forum is for guys to present THEIR opinion and offer information. If you think I'm full of crap and lying...so be it. Write her, meet her, marry her if you wish. I really don't care. All I can say is...I think she is full of crap, a scammer, a gold digger, and trouble. What you do with the information is your business. Now, enough about it. It's times like this when your "agency owner" mentality gets real lame. Let it go. Not everyone is going to kiss your arse, not everyone wants to use your company. Not everyone thinks it's a "good deal". Let it go. You're not the only game in town. SOme guys seem to think you are, but you aren't. I made 4 trips without you, 1 with you. So what.  You've really been pimping this board long enough. Let's call a spade a spade, I didn't think anyone was supposed to advertise on this board? THAT"S ALL YOU DO. Look man, move on to other things. Other subjects, you can't win this one. You may argue, write BS, challenge all you want, kick around in a circle creating a lot of dust....but your wrong. SHe's a scammer. SHe's full of crap. She's trouble. The fact that she's on your website is your problem, not mine.

Jack, not every chick who is a scammer is going to make up some story about her mom being sick and "please send money for a ticket", or whatever. They come in all sizes and shapes.  Have you ever met her? No. I have. I listened to her BS for over 2 hours. Did I set up another date? No, ask Ilya. Did she want to see me again? Yes, ask Ilya. I chalked it up to experience and moved on with my trip, leaving her behind. She's the bitter one. I'm smiling and enjoying your little show. Let it go Jack, for once in your life let it go. It ain't worth it.

Mark H.

[Jack]

... in response to Jack, posted by Mark H on Aug 13, 2002

Mark,

 If it is all right with you I will send her a letter explaining why you claim she is a scammer and ask for her to comment. You have accussed her of being a scammer and I think she deserves the chance to prove you wrong, although we all know you will never admit to being wrong.

 Now from what you have written I think I can conclude she is a scammer for the following reasons, and if you would, either confirm or deny these as the reasons she is a scammer based on what you have written.

 (1) You don't believe a word out of her greedy mouth.
 
 (2)  Her dad works for the goverment and she cannot offically marry for 2 years. But she offers that you can marry her in Ukraine and send her money every month.

 (3)  She scammed a meal out of you. $115 for lunch. She picked the most expensive resturant she could find.

 (4)  She's full of crap.

 (5)  You listened to her BS for two hours.

Now you say you had some e-mails from her and "OH, WHAT a surprise" you lost them!! Somehow I expected that from you.

Now Mark in reading your previous post in which you say she is a scammer these were the reasons, as best I can tell, that you say "she is full of crap, a scammer, a gold digger, and trouble". Are there any other things you want to add, besides these five items, that convienced you she was a scammer?  If so please include them. Once you have given me all the reasons why you claim she is a scammer, I will present these to her and let her respond. Fair enough? And if you refuse to give me any other reasons, or there are no other reasons, then I will just present these five items to her and get her comments as to your accusations. I think she should have her say, after all, as you say, the board is for guys AND girls, to express their opinons. And see, since I know you are nothing more than a big blow-hard, I cherish the chance to get her side of the story.

Mark, the principle of the thing is worth it to me.

[Mark H]

... in response to Mark, posted by Jack on Aug 13, 2002

Jack,
As king of the blowhards you would know. I don't sweat you fatboy, not for a second. I gave you the chance to let it go, you can't. As for the scammer from your site, write what you will. She will NOT tell the truth and I could care less. Try as you may to protect your little cash cow, I think everyone knows the truth. I have nothing to gain from exposing insincere chicks. I guess you're worried about sales? Whatever it is, I don't really care. Post what you wish, post what she wishes...in the end it's the same..I don't care. I expected nothing less than your typical, ranting and raving, overkill, reposting everything someone else posts to try to make your point. What is that point? That you have a scammer on your site? Who cares, don't you see...no one. Principle? That's something very foreign to you fat boy. I love this debate, you're used to everyone bowing out to your threats and your BS...not me fat boy. I know exactly WHO you are and WhAT you are. You're nothing but a freaking used car salesman, squirming your way into business on this site and other boards like it. Capitalizing on guys as much and as often as you can hiding behind the guise of "I'm just a good old boy, I live in a glass house, call me...we'll have lunch". Whatever, bottom line is you're out for cash...period. You don't give a rats arse about ANYONE but yourself. There's nothing wrong with that...it's typical of people like you. THe problem comes in when you start trying to portray yourself as the "mother theresa of the board" "serving men out of the good of your heart". A guy posts about a flat for $17 bucks and you crucify him, why? Cuz you can't get a flat for $17 bucks? Not if you want to double your money like you do.

Here's proof positive. Look in the archives (remember, I've been here LONGER THAN YOU FAT BOY) and you'll see how jack bragg shows up talking crap and arguing with everyone around. Challenging established agency owners and showing how he (Jack Bragg) can help guys for free cuz "gosh darnit, you don't need to pay those agency scammers". Then, over the course of a couple of years it becomes, "gee, I have too many guys to help, now I must charge for my consultation".  What a joke. I don't care about your lousy little agency, I don't care about you. I don't care about anything that comes out of your mouth, it's all BS.

Now, post whatever you wish. I'm ready to laugh at it. I can imagine what BS you'll make up. I can only imagine the embellishment you'll conjure up.

See ya fat boy,

Mark H.

[Jack]

... in response to Re: Mark, posted by Mark H on Aug 13, 2002

Well Mark, I take it by your response that this is all you have in claiming that Milina is a scammer. So I will present these to Milina and ask her to respond.

And as you will undoubtly say anything she says will be a lie, I will also get Rostick and Ilya to comment, and although you will say that all three are liars, there are many here who feel differently about Rostick and Ilya.

Guess you are fixing to find out afterall stupid boy, Milina didn't even want to go out with you. I was trying so hard to fix you up with all the ladies you had asked about, and Milina was as you told me your number one choice. We hand delivered your letter and photo to Milina. She told Rostick she was not interested. A few days later I asked Rostick to ask Milina to see you if only as a favor for me, and she agreed. You think this woman wanted another date with you flute tooth, you are stupider than you look, which ain't easy to do. And now because she went out with a guy she had no interest in, she went out with as a favor for me, she is called a scammer. I really dispise guys who will call a good woman a scammer because she rejected them. And stupid boy, she didn't take you to the most expensive resturant in Kiev for lunch, you were still $100 shy of being taken there.

My little cash cow you say stupid boy, I think selling her address 8 times does not consitute a cash cow. Hopefully more guys will meet her and more guys will know you for being what you are, a BIG blow-hard, NEVER WRONG, ALWAYS RIGHT BLOOOOW HARD MARK.

And stupid boy, people like you don't give a rat's ass about anyone but themselves, as you have demonstrated in the past. Hey stupid boy, you want to take a shot at my glass house, show where I have scammed or cheated anyone, you can't do it stupid boy!!!!!

As far as helping guys for free, that stopped after all I did for you for free, and then for you to sh!t on everyone, I said never again.

Nope stupid boy, I charge for my time now. People pay me the big bucks to consult them and help them to find a good bride. And guess what stupid boy, very few, probably less than 10% of all my business comes from this or other discussion boards. That is why I can call a stupid @ss-hole like you a stupid @ss-hole, I don't have to worry or be concerned with the business that comes from Planet Love and I love being able to speak my peace, such as being able to say you are truly one of the most stupidest guys I know who has ever searched for a Russian bride. D@mn I pity the poor girl you hog tie!

See ya stupid boy. I'll let you know what Milina has to say about your claims she is a scammer. Her only problem was she knew you were a dorf when she first laid eyes on you, as do all the Russian women who see you!!!!!

[Oscar]

... in response to Re: Re: Not everybody get the chance to ..., posted by Mark H on Aug 12, 2002

From your last post Mark, it seems pretty obvious that you really are not very serious about finding a wife..

"the key is to not try too awfully hard. I'm having a ball, that's all that matters."  

And that's fine Mark, I just hope the women know that you are not really serious because most of them are very serious!
If you are trying to find a woman to marry, then wsbill is correct, what you are doing isn't working and you might want to try a different approach.  If however, you are just out to have fun, then I guess it's working just fine.  But just about any guy here who is already married or engaged to an FSU woman would likely agree with me that it WAS hard, a lot of work and effort went into it to find that special woman, but these are men who were ready to commit.

My 2 cents..

[Mark H]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Not everybody get the chance..., posted by Oscar on Aug 13, 2002

Oscar,
Commitment is not an issue. One's readiness to commit or not is individualized. Your idea of "being ready to commit" may mean "ready to work one's arse off to find Ms. right". Another mans "ready to commit" may mean he is actively pursuing women with the intent to marry when he finds the right one. Just because I don't systematically write 4000 women, screen down to 100 suitable women, then email the crap out that 100 until I find 3.5 that are "perfect" then chase them hard and heavy....doesn't mean I'm not ready to commit. You have your way, I have mine. I prefer to have a good time, take it easy, not look to hard and if she comes along.....GREAT. If not, great. Realize this, one can look entirely too hard.

Mark H.

[thesearch]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Not everybody get the chance..., posted by Oscar on Aug 13, 2002

Oscar,

Mark is serious, my take is  he is just not concerned about being as methodical about all of this. His statement of having fun to me means that this is just how he has to go about the serious nature of finding a wife.

[Oscar]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Not everybody get the ch..., posted by thesearch on Aug 13, 2002

Search,

I'm sorry but from seeing all that Mark has written and how he has done his trips he's talked about, I do not think he is very serious at all about finding a wife right now, which is FINE, no problem.  I don't care if he is serious or not, that's his business.  But in the vast majority of cases where a man here has found his wife in the FSU, there has been some real effort, planning and plain hard work involved..  Certainly a man doesn't have to write to 4,000 women etc., as he suggested, but contacting and having distilled down to 7-8 women to meet in a city who he might have found some good common ground with prior to going would be a start.  
As has been discussed in other posts, having 20 women to meet the first few days of a 3 week trip is very reasonable..  Not just bumping into women or going straight to an agency and just picking girls out a catalogue once there, but doing some research and homework and putting in some time before going.  Serious guys do some planning, those who are just looking to "have a good time" do not.

My opinion..

[Mark H]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Not everybody get th..., posted by Oscar on Aug 13, 2002

Dude,
Why are you so preoccupied with busting my balls? Look, if you want to spend an enormous amount of time looking for your girl....great. It's like everychance you get you have to reiterate that "Mark H is looking just for a good time and is not serious". Dude, are you in love with me or something? Give it a rest, do your thing and I'll do mine. I'm flattered that I appear to be on your mind 24/7...but really man, get another hobby.

Mark H.

[Oscar]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Not everybody ge..., posted by Mark H on Aug 13, 2002

Mark,

This is my last post to you.  You are a waste of space here IMO.  Five trips over and you haven't learned a thing.  
I said in my last post that if you are not really serious about finding a wife, I don't care, that's your business.  And then I realized who you were from a few other posters- the guy who stood up Galina (Jacks manager) in Dnepropetrovsk after all the work she went to to line up a ton of ladies for you to see.  You just blew them all off!  Well, that was a crappy and irresponsible thing to do Mark, I remember being shocked when I heard it when it happened!
I don't think you are serious at all and yes, that is your business but I do feel bad for the women because as I said before, 98% of them are VERY serious!  So I have little patience for guys like you who make the rest of us look bad by standing women up and likely making promises you never intend to keep.

And as far as your comments about Jack Bragg.  Let me tell you something-  This guy has spent more time with me than you could know since last Oct/Nov, and he has NEVER asked me for a dime in "consulting fees"!  I went over and had his people pick me up here and drop me off there (for very reasonable fees), Galina (his Ukrainian manager) was my interpreter in Dnepropetrovsk and she was very reasonable at like $5 per hour!  She helped me a lot there and was instrumental in helping me to find my fiance.  
I can send money to my girl by Western Union for a $50 fee or I can send it to Jack, who sends it to Galina, who takes it to my girl FOR 5 BUCKS and Jack doesn't make a stinking penny!  When I had a problem at my flat (the phone went out), he got me out and into another flat immediately, even getting some of my money back for the day the phone didn't work from the owners of the flat!!  During my trip, he called me at my flat, just to see how things were going etc..  
Do we always agree on everything? No!  Our feelings about exactly how to go about the whole process differ some, but he has helped me a tremendous amount!  Does he sometimes get frustrated and lose his temper with men?  Yes.  I think if I had to deal with some of the boneheads he has to everyday, who won't listen and who stand girls up when they have promised to meet them etc., I would be losing my temper sometimes too!

You are cynical, sarcastic, and really generally pretty nasty, and as Jack said, I also feel badly for any girl who happens to be scammed BY YOU in future.  I think she would be sobbing about her story on the RW board within 3 months of being here!

Grow up, your profile says you are 38, try acting like it..