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whoaaaa, what's going on here? This is a bit un-usual, a man, or men, who have met and been involved with Russian women who are considering ladies from North or South America?

Frank, you were being scammed from day one. I think you have learned a lot over the past year. But don't let your blindness and in-experience lead you to think that a lot of relationships like you experienced are common, their not. With what you have learned you will probably be more prepared to make better choices and decisions.

Well, all I can say is with enough time, things do change. Maybe I need to look at going to Cali or Medellin or Caracus and see what's going on down there?  Or maybe try to make seeing Russian/Ukraine ladies a little more affordable? Ok, I have a fall tour coming up in two months, were going to seven cities, Kharkov, Lugansk, Zapporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk, Kherson, Odessa and Kiev. If a couple of guys from the P-L discussion board would like to be part of our fall tour I'll try to make it affordable for you by giving a 25% discounted price. If interested send me an e-mail, tell me you saw the post on P-L and we'll get you going with a pretty good price savings.

... in response to whoaaaa,......Frank giving up on R/U wom..., posted by Jack on Jul 11, 2005

Jack,

I may be interested in your fall trip. I'm a newbie at this and should high tail it and run but the challenge excites me. Any advice out there for a rookie?

... in response to whoaaaa,......Frank giving up on R/U wom..., posted by Jack on Jul 11, 2005

Far from it Jack. This trip next month is a vacatio plane & simple. I WAS planning a trip to Ukraine in Sept perhaps Oct but I'm exhausted & I need a small vacation. I'm going to Bogot for 5 days & basically kick back. The trip to Bogot is short than my trip from Houston to Amsterdam alone. Overall the WHOLE trip is cheaper. I can do the whole trip for the price of a plane ticket to Kiev. I'm planning on getting backing on the horse (W_ores?!) very soon though. When I go to Ukraine believe me I'll be running my ad with you for sure. Honestly right now I do NOT foresee another trip to Ukraine till years end or early next year.

... in response to Whoa!!! I'm NOT giving up, posted by Frank O on Jul 11, 2005

Once you've been to Colombia, you'll forget how to spell Ukraine.

... in response to Re: Whoa!!! I'm NOT giving up, posted by Patrick on Jul 12, 2005

Patrick, I've been awaiting your reaction, and it surprises me. No doubt that Jack is giving valuable information and is a good guy in helping people in finding ladies in the FSU. However he is openly making advertisement for his own business on this board. Considering the fact that you earlier have banned people making some weird statements, and that you also have maintained your principles of no ad on this board, your toleranse of Jack surprises me. Is this a new policy? Do you accept the same from all of us?

Haroshij

... in response to Re: Re: Whoa!!! I'm NOT giving up, posted by Haroshij on Jul 13, 2005

That's the way its always been here...

... in response to welcome to the Russian Board, posted by MarkInTx on Jul 14, 2005

Hi Mark,

I don't know, but I think I do remember some time when Jack was threatened with being banned if he didn't stop posting ads. That was in times when the temp was a little more heated.

I'm in favour of discussions even if they are heated, and I'm in favour of granting everyone the right to express their opinion even if I do disagree with them. I think ads do more to reduce the value of this board.

How are you and Victoria? I think you are one of the examples of success on this board.

Haroshij

... in response to I've been here a long time now., posted by Haroshij on Jul 14, 2005

Viktoriya and I are doing great, thanks!

2+ years now, and counting. She has her green card, and we're counting the days to her citizenship.

We bought a house this past year, and we've been extremely busy fixing it up. She's amazing, all of the things she's learned. She ventian plastered a whole room by herself! (She is impatient when it comes to waiting for me to get to things...)

Thanks for the kind words!

... in response to I've been here a long time now., posted by Haroshij on Jul 14, 2005

whaaaa, whaaaa, whaaaaa, whaaaaaa  I dropped my milk! whaaa, whaaaa, whaaaa.

what's that noise? oh nothing, just some cry baby.

... in response to what's that noise?, posted by Jack on Jul 15, 2005

You're getting some good and free ads here. Stay cool. Be happy!

... in response to what's that noise?, posted by Jack on Jul 15, 2005

n/t

... in response to Only JB Blowing His Hot Air Trumpet! LOL..., posted by JohnL on Jul 15, 2005

:)

... in response to or maybe, it's the noise of some lonely ..., posted by Jack on Jul 15, 2005

n/t

... in response to YOU Could Well Be All of That Too!  Dont..., posted by JohnL on Jul 15, 2005

:)

... in response to Re: Whoa!!! I'm NOT giving up, posted by Patrick on Jul 12, 2005

...once you've been to the Philippines, you'll forget how to spell both Ukrane and Columbia :-)

... in response to And..., posted by Ray on Jul 12, 2005

True!

... in response to And..., posted by Ray on Jul 12, 2005

I looked at it & it took me about 2 seconds to 'get it'. Pretty freaking funny man. ;-)

... in response to And..., posted by Ray on Jul 12, 2005

talk about spelling - its Colombia with a second o (dont feel bad, that is a common error)

... in response to Re: And..., posted by papi on Jul 12, 2005

Papi Ray is a jokester, he did it as sarcasm!

... in response to Re: Re: And..., posted by stefang on Jul 12, 2005

Stefang, does not seem like there is much activity on this side of the street. if you guys went on the other side with questions on Latin America, 10 guys would jump at the chance to help and offer all kinds of assistance. Why is not someone here telling me how great it is over there in the East like Jack does and once I go FSU i will never head south again? i know it is fraught with perils but the ladies look hot. however, guys that have done both tell me to stay clear - stick to Colombia

... in response to Re: Re: And..., posted by stefang on Jul 12, 2005

i thought so - i never been to the UKE - but that looked incorrect too. Trouble is, most gringos spell Colombia wrong. I have even seen marriage sites not get it right. I dont know if you know the WLC forum - but they are big on proper English

... in response to Re: And..., posted by papi on Jul 12, 2005

:-)

... in response to I give up... LOL  n/t, posted by Ray on Jul 12, 2005

:-)

... in response to Re: Whoa!!! I'm NOT giving up, posted by Patrick on Jul 12, 2005

That's what they tell me. I'll soon find out.

... in response to Whoa!!! I'm NOT giving up, posted by Frank O on Jul 11, 2005

Well Frank if you are thinking about going to Ukraine at years end you might be interested in what were doing for the first time.

Every winter we get requests and inquires from guys as to if we are having any tours or parties at the end of the year. So finally, this year, we are going to have something organized. On December 28th we will be having a nice party in Kiev with many fine ladies who are seeking marriage to a foreign man. The number of ladies attending will be determined by the number of guys, but we will have a five to one ratio of women to men. Then on New Years Eve, December 31, we are reserving three large tables, each table with about 8 chairs, at one of the best New Years Eve parties in Kiev. Three days later, on January 3rd, four days before the Ukraine Christmas, we will be having another party with new ladies, none of the ladies from the December 28th party.

Essentially the country of Ukraine close's down from about December 28th thru January 9th. It's one big party. No holiday in Ukraine produces the excitement as the New Years/Christmas time frame. Many people from all over Ukraine come to Kiev during this time.

... in response to Christmas/New Years tour, posted by Jack on Jul 11, 2005

I'll definately consider that.

... in response to Re: Christmas/, posted by Frank O on Jul 11, 2005

Frank, lets shoot for sept if you or i dont connect in LA

... in response to whoaaaa,......Frank giving up on R/U wom..., posted by Jack on Jul 11, 2005

Jack, one guy below writes this about another tour: "The gals are still cute just not near the supermodel material on the websites" - any comments on your service and the girls in your site?

... in response to Re: whoaaaa,......Frank giving up on R/U..., posted by papi on Jul 11, 2005

papi, I sent you an e-mail of some photos taken at our most recent parties. I think the photos will speak for themselves.

Also we do not have socials and please do not get our group tours confused with those of the large social providers. The person who was commenting about the gals attending the socials as not looking like those on the website is referring to a social he attended by one of the three large social providers.

... in response to Re: Re: whoaaaa,......Frank giving up on..., posted by Jack on Jul 11, 2005

Jack is correct.  My comments pertain to the group I was with only although my general immpression from speaking to others on another tour is that the misrepresentation is commonplace.  
Fathertime

... in response to Re: Re: Re: whoaaaa,......Frank giving u..., posted by fathertime on Jul 11, 2005

Fathertime, my impression is that Jack runs an honest show.  The girls he sent me in his tour were not the typical stunners you see on the various websites so I tend to agree with you that there does seem to be a lot of misrepresentation going on.  However, there were a few in the pics that caught my eye.  Hopefully, I will meet someone that rocks my world this week in BQ but again the eastern thing is a look I find very attractive and may be game for his Sept outing or whatever he calls it. i am hoping maybe someone else from here might be game and help this newbie along. in return, i can tell you everything you need to know about Latin America and afraid to ask

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: whoaaaa,......Frank givi..., posted by papi on Jul 11, 2005

Honesty, I would prefer not to have the most beautiful woman. I want a woman with a good and big heart

Beattledog

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: whoaaaa,......Frank ..., posted by david hagar on Jul 11, 2005

Beattle, i am shallow. I dont need a 10 but at least a 6-7. of course, there are other things i want to go along with good looks and  I've dated plenty of 7's or higher that bored me or we did not connect

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: whoaaaa,......Fr..., posted by papi on Jul 11, 2005

I"m shallow too if they can get it up for me I'm game.;-))

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: whoaaaa,......., posted by Frank O on Jul 11, 2005

that would be too easy a criteria in my case