Personalized Introductions in Cali

[latinmatt]

The info on Ramon and Walter's services deserves its own thread and not its current burial in the Margareth and Latin Encounters thread.  For those of you who don't already know, these two gentleman offer individualized services as guides, interpreters, and will even arrange introductions to women that you might not find in the agencies.  For example, if you see someone on the street, Ramon or Walter will be your wingman and strike up a conversation with her so that you can be introduced.  From what I read, they work their magic for a lot less than what some new guys are paying agencies.
Anyway...
RAMON:
Cellular number:  011-57-315-597-6624
email: ballesteros2005@nospam.com
WALTER:
Website:   www.personalmeetings.com
Walter's phone numbers:
home:  011 -57-2-332-83-77
pager:  57-2-654-3654 code 7323
celluluar:  011-57-315-5222246 or  011-57-310-4280568

Thanks to Traveller and Pete E. for posting this information...I am sure that all PL members will agree that these two guys are an invaluable resource of info on the board.  Thanks guys!

[Ricky]

... in response to Personalized Introductions in Cali, posted by latinmatt on Dec 29, 2004

Let's not forget . .  .at least on the part of Ramon. He is
probably one of the biggest PIMPS in Cali. Sure, he can
get you an intro of any kind.

My only advice is to keep in mind that these guys know
so many professional ladies you may want to seriously
consider using their services. How do you know their
not just hooking you up with a pro?

Think about this one seriously.

In Cali you DO NOT NEED to be introduced. The
women are numerous and the opportunities
everywhere.

I'm not saying these guys are BAD. Just that they have
been doing "intros" for so long they know all the
women.

[latinmatt]

... in response to Re: Personalized Introductions in Cali, posted by Ricky on Dec 30, 2004

I can only presume that you know Walter and Ramon, while I only posted their contact info, but I am curious about one thing.  You wrote...
"I'm not saying these guys are BAD. Just that they have been doing "intros" for so long they know all the women."
...and that might be bad how???
I mean if they know the women, they can steer you towards or away from whatever you are really looking for can't they?

[Traveller]

... in response to Ricky: Re: Ramon and Walter, posted by latinmatt on Dec 30, 2004

You can tell Ramon you aren't interested in "Bad Girls". He can find you a "nice" girl an she doesn't "work."
I agree though that you need to be specific with him about what you want or else he'll invite any girl who is free to go out that night. Like I said before, I have met "nice" girls and "bad" girls through Ramon.
Just tell him what you are looking for and he can probably accomodate you. BUT, make your judgement. Use your own instincts about any woman you meet in Cali. If you get an bad or uneasy feeling when you are with one, un-hitch and move on. Plenty more where that one came from.

[Traveller]

... in response to Re: Personalized Introductions in Cali, posted by Ricky on Dec 30, 2004

You can say that about every agency in Latin America.
"How do you know their not just hooking you up with a pro?"
I mean, the guys who have gone down to Cali a lot know that the agencies have their fair share of pay4play ladies in their agencies. Some of us can go through every agency website and we could pick out at least a couple who are willing to take money.
Let's clarify something too. Just because they aren't asking you for money upfront, doesn't mean they aren't pay4play. Like I said, I went out with one for about a week. Never asked me for money for sleeping with her. Then she wanted me to pay for a boob job. Then she wanted me to buy her a car. Hey, not after 2 weeks of going out. (Calipro, can tell you what she wanted him to buy for her.)
Everything seemed to still be cool. We never got in a fight or anything about it and she was happy as long as I was flipping the bill for dinners, paying her bills,  and she could stay at my apt. etc. Then we were at the movies and she got a call on her cell phone and she went outside. I assumed to talk. Never saw her again. Found out an American came to town that was willing to unload a lot of money on her. That's why she left. Went where the money was. I got no problem with this, but this girl was or is in a couple of agencies.
I have examples of other woemn I have met through agencies who "work." I met one at a party for one agency. Good looking girl, great body, spoke English. Got lucky that night. She DID NOT ask me for any money. I thought everything was cool. I thought I found a winner. We went to a concert on New Years and I thought everything was cool. She left before the concert saying she couldn't see me anymore. I said, go ahead. C-YA! She said bye and left. Then she came back about 10 minutes later. She didn't have cab fare. LOL! Here you go. 20,000 pesos. C-YA! Turns out her mother got into some financial problems (unspecified). She had asked me for some money for that earlier. I don't give money to people I hardly know. Anyways, she couldn't see me anymore because she was going to go "work" in Costa Rica. Now before you start sayng she was forced into working because of her situation, she also worked in Okinawa. I was stationed there for awhile. She knew too many details to be guessing. That's where she said she learned to speak English. Bottom line, she was a working girl in an agency.
I met another girl who's on a lot of agencies. We went to Blues Brothers and had some drinks and we went back to my Apt. and I thought I got lucky. Next morning she wanted some money. Ok, here's 20,000 for the taxi. Oh no, she wanted more for the service the night before. OOOHHHH.......Well, it was worth it and I continued to see her off and on while I was in Colombia, but I understood what the arrangement was. Bottom line, the girls is listed on several agencies and she does pay4play.
I also know one agency website features a girl who works at a "Casa." A well known "Casa" too.
What about Ruby (not Ruby Rios)with the scam at the old Crystal Palace? I think she qualifies too. She was in their books and website and her actions were quite well documented.
Now, I'm am NOT saying that the agencies are FULL of pay4play type women, but they do have their share. Don't kid yourself. I believe there are plenty of great women in the agencies, but it is IMPOSSIBLE to screen these women unless you can read their minds. Do you really think the agencies straight up ask the girls that come in to sign up, "are you a prostitute"? Even if they did, what do you think the girls are going to say. "Yes"?
Like Pete and I said before, Ramon has some questionable women too but he also has reputable women also. It IS hit and miss. But, the same can be said about the agencies too.

[OkieMan]

... in response to Re: Re: Personalized Introductions in Ca..., posted by Traveller on Dec 30, 2004

Traveller,
Great post.  So, based on what you said in your post and based on your experiences, are there any tell tale signs that some of us guys could be on the lookout for?  It would appear from what you wrote, that you slept with each of these girls.  Looking back, did any of them give you some idea that they were pros?  I realize that based on what many guys are posting here, that the latinas are very affectionate, and that most of them will sleep with their boyfriends, anyhow.  But, still, I am trying to learn from your mistakes, and not my own.  Thanks for your comments.  Please post again and follow up.

                             OkieMan

[Traveller]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Personalized Introductions i..., posted by OkieMan on Dec 30, 2004

I think if they are coming on to you too quickly, that's probably a good sign.
The big thing is like I said, most of these girls can fool you the short amount of time you are there, but they can't fool you when you live there.
Also, see what your instincts tell you. If a woman is giving a strange feeling, find one that doesn't. There's plenty to go around. I know this is goign to sound kind of mean, but try a bunch of them and find one that you are comfortable with.
I know one guy who went to Cali to meet a specific woman. Well, they went out on a few dates and it just wasn't working out. So, instead of finding someone else, he spent his whole trip trying to change her mind about him. It was like watching someone trying to patch up a relationship that didn't exist. Pathetic. Don't be that guy.

[latinmatt]

... in response to Re: Re: Personalized Introductions in Ca..., posted by Traveller on Dec 30, 2004

I really appreciate reading the real deal about the scene there.  It seems that everyone wants to present a sanitized and ideallized version.  The agencies have a product to sell and their clients want to believe it.  I, for one, would prefer to have the facts and be able to make an informed decision rather than live a lie.  It's great to read a dose of reality once in a while.
Thanks.

[Traveller]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Personalized Introductions i..., posted by latinmatt on Dec 30, 2004

You know, I didn't have near this much information before I went to Cali the first time. (Nov. '99) What I learned,  learned through experience. Living in Cali day in and day out for 2 and half years opens your eyes to a lot of things too. A girl can fool you for the 10 days or 2 weeks you are there, but it's harder for them to do after 3 months. That's where they get caught.
Also, I don't blame agencies either. The women that come into sign up may have honorable intentions and then some sign up to possibly scam some foreigners out of some money. There's no way to tell.
I mean, the agency business has been around so long that the scams get around to some of these women from other women who have worked them or know someone who worked the scams.
Don't get blindsided by a pretty face and her acting like you are the greatest guy in the World. Be sckeptical. Be inquisitive. Her actions will speak for her in the long run. Myself, I am always leery of women who act like I'm the greatest thing since Cheez Whiz when they first meet me. Do I deserve that? No, she just met me and she doesn't know me and she's treating me like that. Something's up. She's desperate, she needs money, she wants to go to to the big PX in the North, something but I know it's not because of my stunning pretty looks or I'm hung to my knees.
I like the ones who try to get to know you (for a serious relationship).  Sure, the girls who are willing to give you a roll in the hay the first night are fun, but you got to think what she gave it up so quick. Know what I mean?
Don't get blinded by the beauty. Use your best judgement and experience when you are dating in Colombia.  
That's all I'm saying. Good Luck.

[OkieMan]

... in response to Re: Personalized Introductions in Cali, posted by Ricky on Dec 30, 2004

Ricky,
I guess you must know Ramon personally.  I do not know either him or Walter, so am attempting to gather the information and see if it is something I would choose to do.  However, since you seem to think (or know) that Ramon is a pimp; and since you expressed concern that one of us might be introduced to a pro; then I am interested in asking a follow up question.  Now don't get me wrong, I am not interested in going out on a "date" with a ho, but let's say that Ramon or Walter did the introduction; does that mean that the girl would be passing herself off as someone who is seriously interested in a relationship?  If so, then does that mean that the subject of "payment for services' would not come up?  I say this because it would be very apparent if the introduction was done and the girl starts quoting rates for "services rendered".  At this point in time, I have only used Latin-Internet.  I am sure that the other agencies have their way of doing things; and then guys like Ramon or Walter has their own style too. It can be a little confusing, and all I want is to have the chance to meet some quality ladies.  It appears that there is more than one way to skin the proverbial cat!  Thanks for your opinion so far, but I want to hear more.

                         OkieMan

[Ricky]

... in response to Re: Re: Personalized Introductions in Ca..., posted by OkieMan on Dec 30, 2004

Yes...I do know Ramon and the other guys who have
contributed to this link thus far. In fact I used Ramon's
services about 4 years ago.

The responses thus far are pretty accurate. You will find
"questionable" women and tactics everywhere.

My point is simply that I would enter into negotiations
with these guys knowing a bit more about them.
"Informed" decisions are better . . .don't you think?

Like Traveller pointed out . . . you better be precise and
clear on what you are seeking.

MY OWN PERSONAL POINT OF VIEW & EXPERIENCE
are that I would use these guys for finding party girls.
Period. Ramon's reputation is based on precisely that.
If you want it now  . . . he's the guy to go to. Nice enough
guy but as already said; I would use him when I'm in
the mood for "runnin around."

[Pete E]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Personalized Introductions i..., posted by Ricky on Dec 30, 2004

I agree.And if the mood strikes you you can have something going pretty fast usually.

Pete

[Pete E]

... in response to Re: Re: Personalized Introductions in Ca..., posted by OkieMan on Dec 30, 2004

Usually you are dealing with one or the other.You tell  Ramon what you want and he gets it for you,both kinds of girls.But there is an interesting middle ground.
One guy I know is a young good looking guy who just likes lots of sex.His regular girl friend gave him a hard time so he called Ramon,who provided a girl for $$.I'm not sure if any went to the girl.Well,they hit it off,he never had to pay again.He has seen her for months.
Some of these  girls are more semi pro than hard core.They really want a good guy too but might accept $$ while waiting for him.Of course proceed to serious with extreme caution.

Pete

[CartagenaPapito]

... in response to Mixing the 2 kinds of girls, posted by Pete E on Dec 30, 2004

What would be a fair amount to pay Raman either per day or per week?

[latinmatt]

... in response to Re: Mixing the 2 kinds of girls, posted by CartagenaPapito on Jan 1, 2005

You might want to start a new thread for this one...
It's pretty far down on the forum now.