First-Hand Experience ColombianLoveConnection

[slojas1]

... in response to First-Hand Experience ColombianLoveConne..., posted by Vagabond on Dec 19, 2004

There is obviously some connection with you and the agency you so vigorously defend. I think you shortchange many on the list by coming up with the 'I felt compelled to set the record straight' line. We can see right through you. Just concentrate on finding the lady of your dreams and leave the agency squabbles to the agency owners. You have posted some of the best double speak or circumlocution that I have seen yet on the board. Calm down, step away from the mouse, have a brew, take a deep breath. Feel better? Ok,then! Share some of your dating experiences with the board or your perspective on MDE.

[Vagabond]

... in response to Re: First-Hand Experience ColombianLoveC..., posted by slojas1 on Dec 20, 2004

You're right, I may have gotten a little too worked up when comming to CLC's defence.  
Perhaps it's better for the owners to handle describing the structure and services of
their agencies.  All I can say is I had a good experience at CLC and met many other
guys who did as well.  Beyond that, I leave to the discussion to others.

If you visit Medellin, which I truely recommend because it's a great city with amazing
weather and women, I would suggest visiting all the agencies then pick the one you like best.

The women of Medellin are different than other cities in Colombia, both in looks and
personality.  In general, they are a little taller, lighter skined, thinner,
prettier faces, more reserved, and less acustomed to foriegners, as there are not nearly
as many here as cities like Cali, Cartagena, Bogota, etc.

[slojas1]

... in response to slojas1, you're right, posted by Vagabond on Dec 20, 2004

Well, I won't need to visit Medellin as I have a beautiful wife from San Andres. Thanks for the thought though. If you stick to the business of sharing information you will do just fine on this forum. The email from the agency will make everything you discuss suspect, but good info is a positive regardless of the source. Happy holidays.

[Vagabond]

... in response to Re: slojas1, you're right, posted by slojas1 on Dec 20, 2004

San Andres is SO nice.  
There are more people there with dark skin and blue eyes.  
The beaches are great and the water so clear.

[lswote]

... in response to First-Hand Experience ColombianLoveConne..., posted by Vagabond on Dec 19, 2004

Hmmm.  Directly from the www.playboy-penthouse.com/services.shtml page:

Naughty Night: 4 hour tour of the city's best night time adult hot spots.  We will provide an informative list of what Medellin has to offer and let you select which ones you would like to visit.  An informative bi-lingual guide will drive you around and assist you with getting the best deal on all transactions so you can focus on enjoying your experience.

Now what do you think adult means in this context?  Do you think this is adult as to opposed as kiddie?  Do you think the paragraph said adult hot spots because he was afraid if he didn't clarify adult you might think he meant family hot spots?  Or if he mean adult as in night clubs, why would you need to make the best deal on a transaction?  Really think a night club will lower its cover fee just because you have an bi-lingual guide?  Or do you think adult might just mean escort services, etc.?

And if you have any doubts about them being related, look at this straight off the uwhois.com page:  Notice the domain servers are the same.

1. Registrant:
  Rick S.

  Registered through: Cheap-DomainRegistration.com
  Domain Name: PLAYBOY-PENTHOUSE.COM

  Domain servers in listed order:
     NS4.COLOMBIANLOVECONNECTION.COM
     NS3.COLOMBIANLOVECONNECTION.COM

2. Registrant:
  ALB International
  123 Street
  No Snail Mail Allowed
  Chicago, IL 60647
  US

  Registrar: DOTSTER
  Domain Name: COLOMBIANLOVECONNECTION.COM
     Created on: 11-APR-03
     Expires on: 11-APR-05
     Last Updated on: 17-MAY-04

  Administrative, Technical Contact:
     International, ALB  medellinbob@hotmail.com
     123 Street
     No Snail Mail Allowed
     Chicago, IL  60647
     US
     312-546-4301

  Domain servers in listed order:
     NS4.COLOMBIANLOVECONNECTION.COM
     NS3.COLOMBIANLOVECONNECTION.COM

[Vagabond]

... in response to Re: First-Hand Experience ColombianLoveC..., posted by lswote on Dec 19, 2004

Since when is showing a guy where a night club is considered prostitution??
Last time I checked having sex for money is prostitution.  
And the guy running the club where prostitution is taking place is pimping.
But the guide at Playboy Penthouse is not doing either of these, or getting any money from it.

We all know there is another side to single male travel than just looking for a wife.  
I think it’s good that things related to this other side are a separate business
on a separate site.  
Just because they share the same web server doesn’t mean one is related to or effecting the other.

We should be more careful about throwing around such strong accusations as prostitution.

[Vagabond]

... in response to Let’s take a clearer look at this…., posted by Vagabond on Dec 19, 2004

Lswote, Valuedcustomer, and Wizard....

Please guys, lets be a little more willing to see this from other perspecitives.
Let me try to answer each of your questions...

Lswote,

What I’m saying is if a competing agency’s owner (specifically one who
has had a break-up with the owner of the agency currently being
discussed) says its bullshit, then you should take that with a big grain
of salt.  Any reasonable person like your self would agree with that.  
A better measure of an agency would be to talk to the guys who have
used its services.  

You asked who I am, I'm a guy looking for a latin wife who has used
Robert’s services and like others have been very happy with his agency.
 When I read what his ex-partner tried to say about CLC, I got very
offended and felt compelled to come to Robert’s defence.

Valuedcustomer,

I agree with what you said.  A prostitute is the LAST thing you want if
you’re looking for a wife.  I know Robert works very hard to make sure
all the women in the agency are upstanding girls serious about finding
a husband.  If he even hears a hint of her being a working girl, he
would pull her out of the agency that same day.  I’m not clear on what
you said, are you saying we should steer clear of Steve’s Sweethearts
agency because he is a gringo and doesn’t know the good girls from the bad?

Wizard,

I liked the duck metaphor, it added some nice light humor to the discussion.

Please tell me more about what you mean when you say I shouldn’t profess
his innocence?  I guess you’re right, before we can profess his
innocence or guilt we should first clearly define what the
accusations are.

From what I gather so far, the Accusations Include:

1.   Robert stealing the girls profiles and photos during the
breakup with Steve when they were running an agency together.  
Each side has their own version of the story here, and we’ll probably
never really know where in between the truth lies.  In reality, how
much does this really effect someone using either of the agencies today.
 VERDICT = jury out

2.   Robert running prostitution in the agency.  No hint of this is
made on the agencies website, and numerous people who have used his
agency have stated that is was not offered.  
VERDICT = innocent.

3.   Another business is using the same web server as CLC, and this business
offers many services to people visiting Medellin, including
translators, city tours, bed and breakfast, airport pickup, etc.
 VERDICT = true

4.   Robert, like any guy having lived in one place for a long time,
knows all about the city, including where Colombian guys go for adult
entertainment, massages, etc.  Being the helpful guy he is, he often shows
guys around who are interested in this side of the city, while at the same time
never letting it interfere with the operation good standing of the agency.  
VERDICT = true

[pablo]

... in response to Lswote, Valuedcustomer, and Wizard...., posted by Vagabond on Dec 20, 2004

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Quote:
A better measure of an agency would be to talk to the guys who have used its services.

Where are all the guys that have used his services then?  As I recall Vagabond, you are the only poster who has used this agency.  Your first post here and you come out with a glowing testimony for them.  That along with Patrick's disclosure post doesn't give you much credibility.

Quote:
1. Robert stealing the girls profiles and photos during the breakup with Steve when they were running an agency together. In reality, how much does this really effect someone using either of the agencies today.
VERDICT = jury out

The jury isn't out.  The evidence is pretty incriminating.  It's obvious that Robert used CSH photos.  It amazes me that he did not call all of the girls back in and do a retake on the photos.  Most of the photos on CLC are photos that were taken at CSH.  How long has CLC been in business and yet still can't use their own photos?  I think most men searching for a wife in SA do care whether or not the agency is an honest one.

Many posters have used CSH and give it a thumbs up.  Frankly, I believe Steve in this situation.  You might want to contact Robert though and see if he would like to comment.  I'm sure Patrick will allow him to join.

It's beyond me that anyone would use CLC as a marriage agency with less than thirty women signed up.  I know a couple of the ladies on his site.  I might contact them and ask if they really are associated with CLC and get back with the board.

[Vagabond]

... in response to Re: Lswote, Valuedcustomer, and Wizard....., posted by pablo on Dec 20, 2004

You brought into light that 4 or 5 of the thread's posters have not used CLC, while only one of the posters has.  I'd say that's a very high percentage when 17% of a group of guys in the USA has used a specific agency in a particular foriegn country.  

I understand the reason people cant sign up for the board with web emails, but I think we would see many more people posting if is was possible, becuse not many people would go through what I did to get access to a non-web email in order to post.

You could also look at it this way, 100% of the posts in this thread by actual clients are positive posts for CLC.  Unless I missed one, there are no positive posts for the CSH agency.

But as I said before, I agree with slojas1, this thread would be best left to the owners of the respective agancies, as they know far more than any of us.  I'll call Robert to see if he wants to come on the board to comment and give more clearity.

For example, you say Robert is quilty of stealing based on the fact he has some of the same profiles as Steve.  But we don't know what the actual arangment of the splitup was.  Maybe they agreed to share the profiles they accumilated while they were together, maybe Steve stole them from Robert.  Only Steve and Robert will truely know the answers to these questions.  That's why I said the jury is out, because what anybody else says is purely speculation.

[thunderbolt]

... in response to Pablo...., posted by Vagabond on Dec 20, 2004

First of all, Vagabond, just b/c your server is this infamous now p-p.com, you do realize that everything you say in defence of CLC will be taken with a grain of salt.

Secondly, regarding accounts.  I used my office e-mail, and most guys out there unless they work as sackers at a grocery store have one, so this issue is moot.  (No offence to sackers - I used to be one for awhile and met a couple of friends at that job.)

Third, I don't know statistics on this particular thread, but most guys who had experience with CSH seem to be ready to put their lives on the line to defend it.

Fourth, even though I don't think that the content posted on p-p.com directly implicates Robert in running prostitution, it implicates him in direct assistance to this activity.  If that was not the focus of his activity, he would have called his domain something different.  

I am NOT the moralizing type of person, to each his own, but it does cast bad light on Robert's ethics.  How bad a light really depends on judgement and values of individuals who use his services, but I do think that those that want to use the 'marriage agency' branch should be aware of the full scope of his operation.  And since to the best of my knowledge this is not done, it is highly unethical.

[Vagabond]

... in response to regarding agencies, posted by thunderbolt on Dec 20, 2004

Thunderbolt,

Yes, I realize my statements will be taken with a grain of salt because I’m registered using a p-p.com email, but I’ll have to accept that, as they were the ones I turned to for assistance to get on here.  It didn’t sound to me that Steve’s statements were taken with a grain of salt.  He’s not only registered with a CSH domain, he’s the owner as well. Pass the salt please.

Regarding your second point, are you saying the opinions myself and others don’t have validity because we don’t work in an office that provides an email account?  There are a number of people in this situation, and I'm one of them.

You make the bizarre statement that the domain name implicates him in direct assistance to prostitution.  In the far stretches of my imagination I do not see such a connection.  A penthouse is a nice apartment on the top floor of a building, and that’s exactly what the place on the website is.  Playboy means a lifestyle of a single man who enjoys parties and the finer things in life, and that’s the experience they offer.   Even if you confused the name with the magazines, those are just photos and articles.  I don’t read them much, but I’ve never seen a centerfold with her prices and phone number at the bottom.  We need to be a little more thoughtful before making such damaging accusations.

[thunderbolt]

... in response to Thunderbolt, please consider..., posted by Vagabond on Dec 21, 2004

There are several long-term members of this board who have supported Steve.  These individuals have established their credibility, and if they say that Steve's word is gold, then it is.

Regarding the playboy-penthouse issue.  I have written an explanation of my position; however, it is so obvious that there's just no point.  I am not a moralizer, and if there are individuals willing to enjoy services of the p-p branch of your business that's their choice; however, there should be a disclosure on the CLC site.

BTW, the girl of the month is really really impressive  One of the professinal ladies from the p-p side?  j/k

[pablo]

... in response to Pablo...., posted by Vagabond on Dec 20, 2004


You misunderstood me a little.  The posters that I was referring to were former clients of CSH.  Most, if not all of these trip reports (there are many) about CSH were very favorable.  If you do an archive search you will find them easily enough.  You are the only one that has posted who has used CLC and even then you say very little about them as an agency.  

It would make an interesting thread if Robert decides to defend himself and I'd be interested in hearing his side. However, based on the available information thus far and meeting both men I believe what Steve has said. If I was deciding on an agency to use between these two agencies, it’s an easy choice.

[Vagabond]

... in response to Re: Pablo...., posted by pablo on Dec 20, 2004

Pablo, that seems fair enough to me.  
Everyone should choose the agency they think is best.  
I think a lot of guys often try a couple different agencies in the same trip to see which they like better.

[pablo]

... in response to Fair enough..., posted by Vagabond on Dec 20, 2004

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Not to kick a dead horse but I do have a few questions for you Vagabond.

I get the impression that you have not used CSH, rather you chose CLC as an agency.  Why would you choose an agency with less than 30* available women when CSH has over 1000 listed in their profiles, is more expensive and doesn't have a track record?

I noticed that you did not respond to Steve's (Medellin Agency) post where he quotes a guy named Ricker at WSG.  I went to that site and did a little more reading and it seems that the many of the things mentioned about "Medellin Bob" or Robert are confirmed there.  Why did you not reply to Steve's comments?  

Why do you feel it necessary to defend Robert after reading Steve's "attacks/slander" after being a new customer to CLC?  The more logical position would be to hear both sides (I'm assuming Robert discussed some of this with you), weigh the evidence and then make a logical and intelligent decision as to who is telling the truth.  Have you ever met and spoken with Steve?

I don't have a problem believing that your experience may have been good with CLC but it's pretty obvious that Robert provides a dual service.  Based on the fact that he spends little time recruiting new ladies into his agency, not retaking the many CSH photos on his site, the cross links to P-P.com and what is mentioned at that site, it seems clear to me where most of his energy and interest is.

If Robert wants to be viewed as a credible marriage agency he should post an explanation and defense against what Steve has mentioned.  Somehow I doubt if he will join but would rather have customers of his post a defense or reference about how great and legit his services are.  Sorry, but I just don't buy it.  From my viewpoint Medellin Bob wants to play both sides of the coin, something that will only hurt CLC.

* In all fairness, a friend just pointed out to me that CLC has more than 30 available women.  For some reason I was only able to access two pages of profiles.  Manually changing the url address though reveals there are a total of nine pages of profiles (most of the photos taken at CSH).

Enough said.