The Hypocrisy of Mr. P

[DallasSteve2]

Mr. P (aka Phoenix) (who now sometimes signs his posts as Clay) seems to feel it's OK if he gets his "panties in a bunch" when someone suggests that Black men are not wanted by a certain group of women.  However, he doesn't take offense at a statement like:

"Black American women are in general reluctant to date White guys. They are still mad at getting raped by White men in past generations. I'm serious."

In fact HE is the hypocrite who posted that statement less than one month ago.  Here is a link to that post:

http://www.planet-love.com/wwwboard/search/searchdisplay.php?page=latin&archive=000211&id=65795&bold[]=phoenix

He is doing the very thing that infuriated himself about Mr. T in Peru.  He is suggesting to White men that they are not wanted by a certain group of women.

It has been my observation that human beings often get most offended by the shortcomings of others which are the same shortcomings they have in their own lives.

Someone here suggested that maybe Don Henley isn't the best artist to quote for Clay.  How about this one:

I'm starting with the man in the mirror
I'm asking him to change his ways
And no message could have been any clearer
If you wanna make the world a better place
Take a look at yourself, and then make a change

Steve

[Phoenix]

... in response to The Hypocrisy of Mr. P, posted by DallasSteve2 on Oct 11, 2004

Steve, you are ignorant.  What I say is true and it has even been studied:

"The second hypothesis was the "White Aversion" hypothesis. It was defined by the researcher as "protective racial socialization creates an aversion to Black-White relationships" (Harpalani 1998). This was due to a long history of sexual exploitation of Black women by White men, which could lead Black women to not want to be involved with a White man even if the opportunity was there."

Harpalani, V. (1998). Black Women's Attitudes Towards Interracial Relationships - A Different Perspective. Retrieved September 11, 2001, http:// dolphin.upenn.edu.

"But the issue of interracial relationships is most challenging for black women. For several reasons, black women have the most negative view of all race-gender groups toward interracial relationships. Black women faced a long history of sexual exploitation by white men -- both during and after slavery."

http://www.dailypennsylvanian.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2003/02/19/3e5362be1de87

[Locii]

... in response to Re: The Hypocrisy of Mr. P, posted by Phoenix on Oct 11, 2004

[This message has been edited by Locii]

Hahahaha....

So, if research studies rule the day, then why, when Mr. T told you whan the women he knew were looking for, did you burst into tears?

No, wait, you have convinced me of the better, more sensible approach to life.  I will approach every single black american female  for a date, and if I beleive she turns me down do to race, then I will shake my fists at the sky and sue her and her Mom and Dad, and petition her doggie.

You have, positively, the most ridiculous sense of logic of anyone I have ever met.  So its OK for black women to have some kind of logic to avoid interracial relationships, but there never was, never is, and never will be a good reason for a non-black woman.  Are you the guy who went to Duke?  Remind me not to let my kids get educated there.

*** I edited this message because I have rockin' news for you Phoenix!  Similar to the study that you yourself posted here is this work:

http://clearinghouse.mwsc.edu/manuscripts/314.asp

But, don't read it, or you will burst into tears again, largely because of this:

"Though Black women were not accepting of interracial relationships White men were the most accepting group. In this study conducted with California college students, White men were more positive in attitudes about interracial dating (Fiebert, 2000). This same study reported that 81 % of White men were willing to date outside of their race (Fiebert, 2000). However, none of these studies seemed to have stated why White men are the most accepting."

Those pesky white men!  They are always screwing it up for you!  Now they are even the least racist, while your black female counterparts are the most!  Oh no!

Ciao

PS:  Is this issue dead yet?

[Phoenix]

... in response to Re: Re: The Hypocrisy of Mr. P, posted by Locii on Oct 12, 2004

White men don't discriminate when it comes to vaginas. It's all pink to them.  That's been proven over and over. Ask Strom Thurman. But many white guys somehow think Black guys are not desired by other women.  This is their wish and fantasy.  Sorry, you white guys have to share and guys like me will ensure you will not have your desired monopoly.

For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.  If you don't want the reaction, don't push.

Now, this issue is dead.

[Locii]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: The Hypocrisy of Mr. P, posted by Phoenix on Oct 12, 2004

No, the only thing dead is you reading ability.  The study was NOT referring to "who white men date"; this is what it says:

"Though Black women were not accepting of interracial relationships White men were the most accepting group. In this study conducted with California college students, White men were more positive in attitudes about interracial dating (Fiebert, 2000)."

In case you still don't get it, it (and the background studies) determined that WHITE MEN, AS A CLASS, WERE MORE TOLERANT OF ALL INTERRACIAL COUPLING, NOT JUST THEIR OWN.  Black men were less tolerant than white men...got it?  I would like to reiterate that these were the studies that YOU brought up.

Ciao

[Phoenix]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: The Hypocrisy of Mr. P, posted by Locii on Oct 14, 2004

"Though Black women were not accepting of interracial relationships White men were the most accepting group. In this study conducted with California college students, White men were more positive in attitudes about interracial dating (Fiebert, 2000). This same study reported that 81 % of White men were willing to date outside of their race (Fiebert, 2000). However, none of these studies seemed to have stated why White men are the most accepting."

I don't think you are correct.  In any event, the surveyed group were young college white men, not older white guys that make up lists like this.

[DallasSteve2]

... in response to Re: Re: The Hypocrisy of Mr. P, posted by Locii on Oct 12, 2004

Locii

On 9/11/04 Phoenix wrote:

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duke MBA, Phi Beta Kappa in Economics, graduated in the top 4% of my of class at one of the nation's top ten public universities, just passed an certified treasury professional (CTP) exam on the first try.
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I'm still not believing the "top 4%" part.  If it's true, he's not displaying that level of intelligence on this forum.  But then he called me "ignorant", so what do I know.  I'm just a simple computer programmer.

Steve

[Phoenix]

... in response to The Duke of Phoenix, posted by DallasSteve2 on Oct 12, 2004

It's interesting how you and others keep bringing up my academic background.  You don't think a Black guy could graduate from Duke?  Why do you keep bringing that up?

You are indeed clueless when it comes to racial matters.  Instead of being hostile towards me, listen and learn.  If you don't agree, fine, but understand that there are people in the world who have had different experiences than you and who don't view the world in the same way as you do.  Stop whitewashing the world and let some color in.

The only point about bringing up my background was to say that many Latinas who have never had contact with Black men would in fact be very interested in meeting someone like me.  That's it.  I intended nothing more or nothing less.  I'm no smarter than anyone else.

Give the Duke thing a rest.

[DallasSteve2]

... in response to Re: The Hypocrisy of Mr. P, posted by Phoenix on Oct 11, 2004

Clay,

You are a hypocrite.  And you are the one who can't open his mind to see the truth here because you are too blinded by your bitterness.

It doesn't matter whether what you said is true.  Maybe what Mr. T said was true.  That's not the point.  The point is that you say he has no right to say it but you have a right to say the very same thing.  That's hypocrisy.  

It's pretty hard to believe that you graduated in the top 4% (was it?) of your class with such weak reasoning power.

Steve

[Hoda]

... in response to Re: Re: The Hypocrisy of Mr. P, posted by DallasSteve2 on Oct 11, 2004

in Clay's professional, social & family, feel about his overt bitterness towards them? Is Clay a Jerkyl & Hyde type persona...smiling & laughing in the faces of those he despises. Calling them (Black Woman & White Men) b*tches & crackers, behind their backs...hmmm?

[Phoenix]

... in response to Re: Re: The Hypocrisy of Mr. P, posted by DallasSteve2 on Oct 11, 2004

Steve,

You are so dense that it's not even worth arguing with you.  Trying to draw a link between the long history of Black women being raped by white men and their lingering aversion to dating white men and  Mr. T. is a stretch beyond imagination.

Clay

[Locii]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: The Hypocrisy of Mr. P, posted by Phoenix on Oct 11, 2004

Dude,

He was trying to point out that if you are saying that the choice black american women make is ok, then who are you to assume that Mr. T was not correct and, perhaps, justified with the point he made to you.

There is nothing dense about that.  Its fascinating that you cannot tolerate the notion that any woman might not want a black mate, yet you expect everyone to accept your study as being justification for holding racist beleifs.  What about my study that I posted (that quoted yours) that 'proved out' that white men are the 'most tolerant and optimistic relating to interracial coupling'?

Please snap out of it.

Ciao

[Phoenix]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: The Hypocrisy of Mr. P, posted by Locii on Oct 12, 2004

Listen Mr. Dude,

There has been no one on this earth who has been more critical of Black women THAN I HAVE.

I opposed this notion that Black women have about White men.  Recently, on a Black Discussion Group, a Black female said she discussed with her daughter the sexual exploitation of Black women by White men.  She announced proudly that her daughter told her that she would NEVER date a white man.  I criticized this women for her attitude and told her that the white boys who had their eyes on her daughter hadn't raped anyone.

Black women are totally messed us when it comes to relationships.  You can't compare them to anyone.  They are in a class by themselves.  They discriminate against Black men like me just as much as they discriminate against white men.  This is why I'm all for Black women dating others so that they will widen their view of men in general.

I was simply stating a fact about Black women.  I don't believe most Latinas hold these views no matter how much Mr. T say they do but Black women do hold these views.  Most Latinas I think would consider a Black man if confronted with a high quality guy, even some who say they want White (many of those have never even met a Black guy).  However, many Black women would NEVER date a White man even if he was the last man on earth!!!!

[Hoda]

... in response to The Hypocrisy of Mr. P, posted by DallasSteve2 on Oct 11, 2004


nt.

[Locii]

... in response to The Hypocrisy of Mr. P, posted by DallasSteve2 on Oct 11, 2004

How about a quote from Shakespeare then?

"Methinks thou dost protest too much"...he can complain endlessly about what he sees as rash racial generalizations, but only because its a convenient stop on his way to making a more rash racial generalization.

Reminds me of my ex-wife's baffling behavior of accusing me of cheating on her.  Its took me a good while to realize that what she was doing is externalizing her own psychological ability to cheat.  It had nothing to do with me at all (I never did).

Ciao