Brazil Trip - Belo Horizonte - Epilogue

[Brazilophile]

So the outcome of my visit to this ladyfriend is that her life is not yet organized and settled enough for a serious relationship to take root and be successful.  I am encouraging her to accept the job offer in Europe.  It is from a trusted friend.  That will give her the opportunity to experience life outside of Brazil, to earn some euros and save for things she wants to in Brazil, and mature a little more.  We are staying in touch and will see what happens.

Though I didn't see a great deal of BH or the city I visited, I was not very impressed with what I did see.  BH in particular is an industrial city with none of the charm and character of Salvador or Recife.  One resident told me that MG is a mixture of everyone and everything in Brazil so no one thing dominates.  That may be true and may its fault.  I didn't see anything that gave BH a unique identity.

Outside the cities is a different story.  The countryside that I flew over was stunningly beautiful!  The state seems to be very hilly and mountainous with lakes and rivers in the valleys.  I like the ocean and beaches so MG is not for me as a place to live.  But if you are a person who likes outdoor activities such as hiking, fishing, canoeing/boating, hang-gliding, para-sailing, or mountain climbing, MG is a state that you will enjoy tremendously.

My friend's aunt is married and her husband lives and works in the US.  He sends money back to them.  She told me that almost every family in MG has at least one relative working in the US.  Most are doing so illegally.  In sightseeing, my friend showed me several houses under construction that she said were being financed with money from the US.  If what they told me is true, then many Brazilians in the construction industry owe their jobs to Brazilians here in the US.

Big Brian, of the famous Brian and Chrissy, owners of Fire and Passion for those of you who didn't already know, has made several posts about how some foreign men treat Brazilian women badly and without consideration.  Unfortunately, both the women I met in MG had experienced such treatment.  My friend has received phone calls from men propositioning sex for money.  She thinks that her profile information has been sold to a European prostitution site.  The other woman I met said she gets calls from American men asking her to meet them in Sao Paulo and perform strip tease dances for them.  I think it is the Latin Euro site that is the problem here.  There are many bikini, provocative, and semi nude pictures that give the entire site a certain image and taints all the women on it.  The picture of my friend was not provocative but I think it was changed.  The picture I responded to is not on the site anymore and there is provocative picture of a woman who looks like her and has her name.  The other woman I met did have a picture that was similar to how she was dressed to meet me.  However, I still don't really blame the LE owner.  It is us men who are corrupting the use of address sellers and agencies from legitimate introduction services into pimping services.

[Heat]

... in response to Brazil Trip - Belo Horizonte - Epilogue, posted by Brazilophile on Jun 14, 2004

This whole trip was so you could speak to a few girls and have a few meals and go home?  It sound like you did not plan or think it out very well.

Not very productive for the money.

[JSlo]

... in response to Brazil Trip  Sounds like a waste of tim..., posted by Heat on Jun 15, 2004

I agree with your assessment. I believe Brazilophile and many others suffer from the shy nice guy syndrome. Well, that is nice for Sunday school, but in capturing women's hearts this would be considered a fault. They may treat you nice, but will find some excuse to get rid of you. I don't advocate being a bad boy, but the choir boys do best at singing songs. A decision maker that thinks on his feet will be most successful. The men that get taken advantage of most often are the nice ones that are happy just to have a pretty woman in the same room. If you strike out in SA you are in need of a major overhaul. I'm not saying be a rigid unyielding SOB, just have some confidence and cojones to take control of this process. I'm open to different viewpoints.

[pablo]

... in response to Striking out in SA, posted by JSlo on Jun 15, 2004


Jslo & Heat,

I wouldn't be so hard on BP.  I was surprised though at his continued interest in this one woman but that does not mean he is suffering from the "nice guy syndrome".  

I would agree with you that most Latinas want a take charge kind of guy but you are inferring that BP is lacking in the two C's you mentioned.  That can hardly be the case with a guy heading to Brasil for the second time that I'm aware of, going solo, without the aid of an agency visiting different cities.  In my book he has more cojones than 95% of most wanna-bees that never make the trek south.

Pablo

[JSlo]

... in response to Re: Striking out in SA, posted by pablo on Jun 15, 2004

I will absolutely give BP high marks for sense of adventure and I'm sure he is a decent fellow. I am referring to relationships with women. He doesn't come across as someone that is very confident. I can be wrong, but doubt it seriously. However, you are right in that he is miles ahead of the average person reading this board. I do enjoy reading his posts and keep looking for him to make his move when talking to these women, but that never happens. He must take a chance by telling the ladies what he wants/enjoys and those that are interested in him will respond positively. I believe that flying thousands of miles to meet someone gives you a free 'cut to the chase' card. This can be done without being obnoxious. I have a good friend that has traveled with me to different countries and I told him the same thing. He is to damn nice, or I shoudl say was..as he changed his style and is enjoying his position now of being able to choose instead of being chosen. There is a tremendous difference. This is constructive criticism for BP and I hope he accepts it in the right manner. Again, if anyone thinks differently, I'm open other opinions. My fiance is a former beauty queen, I made it very clear to her what my intentions were and what I was looking for in our first conversation. She had many suitors, but I stood out from the pack. Wonder why? I was not overcome or intimidated by her beauty, she was just another beautiful Colombian woman. She found my directness very appealing. She told me that I knew what I wanted and that made me stand out and made her want to know more about me. The point is if you find the woman attractive, DO SOMETHING! Don't just say, this will make a good diary entry and I hope she likes me. Make the move!
Nuff said,
J
Where are all the Gators coming from? Since I'm in Florida and a Gator fan maybe I'll change my handle to Gator-something. ;-)

[pablo]

... in response to Re: Re: Striking out in SA, posted by JSlo on Jun 16, 2004


Jslo,

I can't argue with that logic, in fact, I'd agree wholeheartedly with you.  It reminds me of my first trip to Russia in search of a foreign wife.  I was standing outside talking with one of the American employees at the agency when this beautiful long haired vixen walked by us heading for their office.  The employee asked me if I wanted to meet her and I sheepishly said, "I guess".  He looked at me and said, "YOU GUESS!  You want me to refund your money?"  That tongue in cheek challenge quickly changed my mind and I spent the rest of the day with Miss Glamour.  He told me later that he sees this time and again with guys coming over for the first time and attributed it to our society and the way most AM have learned how to relate with AW.  Best thing I learned on that trip.

Just don't change your handle to Gatorade, two crocs are enough!

Pablo

[JSlo]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Striking out in SA, posted by pablo on Jun 16, 2004

LOL! No GatorAde here!
Good experience in Russia, I hope some on the board will learn something from that. If you see something you want, please go for it, if you miss there are many others.

[Heat]

... in response to Striking out in SA, posted by JSlo on Jun 15, 2004

I'm not saying be a rigid unyielding SOB, just have some confidence and cojones to take control of this process""

What I see is a lack of planning with poor idea of what it takes to get a women.  What a waste of time and money.

You have to be a Alpa male or get left in the dust.  Simple

[Locii]

... in response to Brazil Trip - Belo Horizonte - Epilogue, posted by Brazilophile on Jun 14, 2004

Thanks again for the posts.

I find what you write about Latineuro interesting.  There is something sincere about most of the ladies pics and writeups I see there; I can't explain it, but the little intros just have a sincerity to me that seems like it would be difficult to falsify...and there seems to be members here who have felt taken by latineuro and others seem pleased.  

I would not be surprised by disgruntled man passing on ladies bios, photos, and phone numbers if they felt rejected or God-knows-what.  There are some very unhappy people out there with little judgement.

Ciao