Agency Girls

[Darkstar]

Pastilla100 wrote:

"You hit the nail on the head. Beautiful women who are not call girls, prostitutes, or goldiggers don’t go to agencies. It’s just reality. "

Well, I guess I'll just have to settle for the ulgy ones when I go next month, since the reality of the situation is that there will be no beautiful women there fitting my profile of a nice, sincere  girl of good character. Or maybe I'll just settle for a call girl or prostitute. Wait, are not call girls and prostitutes one in the same?

What kind of experiences have you had at the agencies? Which agencies? What's your problem? Is this your advice to newbies then?

Tim.

[Pete E]

... in response to Agency Girls, posted by Darkstar on Jul 31, 2002

Tim,
He was talking about Amigas.com,which is a correspondence service I think.Plus I think you misqouted him somewhat.
Writting sevice or agency,there may be some prostitutes and probably are some gold diggers.A good agency would get rid of the prostitutes when they discover it I think.
But I think this obscures the real situation.I think the vast majority of the girls are sincerely looking for a man.Some may be pickier or more likely to get you to spend money on them,but there are huge numbers of good girls to choose from.
I would not let a few girls taint the whole agency process.Its by far the best way to go in my opinion.There are thousands,yes thousands of sincere girls on the books in Cali,some getting no attention at all.If you go for the absolute best looking ones your chances of success may go down and your chances of problems go up,but even here it is possible to meet the georgeous girl,particularly if you meet what she is looking for.
As for meeting girls in malls.Yes I guess it can be done if you are assertive and speak spanish,or have a colombian helping you,but you are fighting the odds.Most women are married or in a relationship and many others may not be interested in meeting you.The agency girls do want to meet foriegn guys and are almost all actually available.So why fight the odds when you can have them on you side?I guess some guys think there is something wrong with girls who join agencies and want to find ones who would not do that.Whatever.Just don't whine when you strike out.
If you go to a place like Cali and don't meet loads of sincere attractive(not models maybe) girls you did something wrong in my opinion.It really takes some effort to screw this up but it is possible.
The main downfalls,in my opinion:
1.Going to meet a particular girl,who is not available,is not interested in you  or there is no chemistry with,and not figuring this out fast and moving on.
2.Trying to go it alone,as in meeting women in malls.
3.Wasting time trying to hook up with the most gorgeous girl who isn't available or isn't interested in you.
4.Wasting time with tours and the girls you meet there.I know some have had success here.Many have wasted time and money.
5.Limiting yourself to a few girls you wrote.
6.Wasting too much time setting up girls to interview,particularly if you don't have much time.
7.A biggee,going to the wrong country or city.Out of the way and off the beaten track may be OK for a laid back  vacation,but if you want to meet women go with the odds.
8.Not moving on if you are not having success at a particular agency.
9.Spending time with girls you are not really interested in.Why just play when you can meet your dream girl?
10.Never getting out of your head,on to the plane and in to the real experience.
11.Being pesimistic,finding fault with every approach( you need to choose at least one you think will work),never going for it.Every thing we do we need to be able to see the possitive outcome.I know of no other experience that
you are likely to have nearly the possibility of success as this one,if you do it smart.
Just my opinion.It seems so easy to me.Particularly when compared to experience in the US.

Pete

[Cali vet]

... in response to Re: Agency Girls, posted by Pete E on Jul 31, 2002

A very comprihensive list. Well done. However as to #4 I'd really be interested in hearing from some one who's gotten a serious long term relationship out of one of the tours. I haven't heard of a single one so far though odds suggest there's got to be one out there somewhere.

[Pete E]

... in response to Re: Re: Agency Girls, posted by Cali vet on Aug 1, 2002

Although I haven't heard any tour success stories I haven't heard any green card shark stories either.The reports I get it seems like the girls just want to party,maybe find a guy to wine and dine them.I think a guy is most likely going to meet only the aggressive ones unless he is very determined to seek out the more wall flower types.Sounds too much like a high school dance to me and I never liked that much.Mostly a waste of $1000 or so. I know  guy who spent 3 of his precious few days on the tour schedule  and just met one girl who wasn't really interested in him,just wanted the food and drinks.
A couple guys I know are going this month,both  new to this.One of the guys isn't on the internet but had a TLC vidio and thought tours were the way to go.I talked him out of that real fast.Sorry TLC.There might be a sucker born every miniute but some of them are wising up fast.I think guys who do tours are probably not very informed and we don't hear from them much here.I told these guys save your time and your money.You are probably going to meet someone and you will need both to follow up with them.I told them go to an agency,they are trying to decide between All Colombian girls,Latin Best,Latin Encounters and Latin Internet.I notice All Colombian girls is now pushing tours on their web site.
But as I  said before,whatever works.Do we have any tour or Mall shopper success stories out there?

Pete

[Edge]

... in response to PT Barnum and Tours, posted by Pete E on Aug 1, 2002

You are right Pete about the tours being more for new guys.  My first trip to SA was on a TLC tour to Bogotá in 1999.  I have fond memories of Bogotá myself.  Maybe because it was the first place I went to in SA.  Fortunately, I had a friend Ximena that I had met through correspondence and I became friends with her and her boyfriend.  They showed me around which was great for a first trip.  

I think the tours were a little better back then because it was a little more of a novelty for the women.  There were quite a number of good women.  I met a woman of great character and we started on the road to a relationship.  The hangup I had with her is that she had a child which I was not sold on.  But she had everything else, a real sweet, intelligent, hard working girl.  Looks wise I was maybe 90% sold on her.  I could see she would make a good wife..But I was not 100% and since she also had the child, I wanted to continue to look. I knew there was going to be a tour to Caracas so I decided to go on that one also because I was curious about Caracas.

I went to Caracas and the turn out and quality of women was not as good as Bogotá.  I did find a Colombiana who was living there with her half sister and we started a 6 month relationship.  I had many good adventures with her with taking a bus from Caracas to Cucutá on the Colombian border and getting to know many people through her and traveling to beach towns.  I would consider her a good quality woman but our relationship faltered and we parted as friends.

I would not recommend tours either.  However, I was able to meet two quality ladies.  One thing I did enjoy was having the experience of being in the same room with so many latin women.  There was a vibrancy that was exhilerating to me.  But even then I thought to myself that an agency route was probably a better way to go. The tour scene is more a shotgun type approach.  I met many good guys that I keep in touch with and overall I had a good time and met some good women.  It got my feet wet.

Edge

[Pete E]

... in response to Re: PT Barnum and Tours, posted by Edge on Aug 1, 2002

A guy I know did a tour after I gave him my opinion of them.He said"I know,but I just want to experience it."  Nothing wrong with that if you have the time and money and know the alternatives.
I immagine it would be quite a trip for your first encounter with latinas from the south.And I thought there would be success stories,In was just wondering how many,ect.
Once I found out about the agencies that sounded alot better to me than a tour,both money wise and comfort level wise.Just my personal preference.I also have an aversion to things that cost alot of money for a short period of time.I love to fly first class but I won't pay anything like normal fares for it.I figure I can spend that several hundred dollars better when I get where I am going than enjoying better service for a few hours.When they first were talking about supersonic jets and saying it was the thing of the future I looked at the proposed fares and said this won't work.Few people have the money to spend that much more for a few hours time savings.You got to rich or crazy to spend $2400 more to save 6 hours on a round trip to Europe.Again I know a guy who did it once,just for the experience.
Bang for the buck I like to call it.Going to a country like Colombia I can stay in a 5 star hotel for around $100.Now thats a deal.It would be several hundred dollars most places.10 nights there for the cost of a tour.Some people may think that is wastefull but to me its worth it.I guess its personal style,taste and choice.When I first went to Cali I stayed at the Crystal Palace,old home of Latin Love.It was $100 a night.I thought it was well worth it.Too bad enough other people didn't to keep it going.

Pete

[Patrick]

... in response to Re: Re: Agency Girls, posted by Cali vet on Aug 1, 2002

He married her after knowing her for four days if I remember correctly (it was definitely within his two week total stay).  It lasted about a year.

[Darkstar]

... in response to Re: Agency Girls, posted by Pete E on Jul 31, 2002

Pete,

He did state "agency", so I took exception to that, since I've been to agencies before in Cali. I know that prostitutes in the agencies are rare since they do indeed weed them out.

I'm with you, I think that for "most" men the agency route is your best bet. Remember, most men do not speak good Spanish, are out of the country in what can be a dangerous environment (i.e. need some hand holding initially) and sometimes need lots support since communication can be difficult.

The other options such as approaching women in public are certainly viable if you speak Spanish and are accustomed to getting around in such an environment. Even then, it's less likely that you will find someone interested when compared to the agencies.

I don't think letter writing would be effective for most people but I would be after you've met someone...in this case via e-mail, netmeeting, etc.

Tim.

[Pete E]

... in response to Re: Re: Agency Girls, posted by Darkstar on Jul 31, 2002

Tim,
Especially for a guy who speaks little spanish the agency is great.I had very little problem not speaking spanish.Not only does the agency take care of you but there are other guys to learn from.It was the easiest thing in the world and alot of fun.Meeting the girls was totally non threatening,actually more of an in charge feeling although I know they are interviewing also.
I just went by myself to a foriegn country that I did not speak the language of and the agency made it very easy.I didn't feel awkward or alone at all.The agency people were very helpfull and I met a bunch of good guys who were sharing the same experience.Even if I hadn't met my wife I can't think of a more fun vacation.

Pete

[Patrick]

... in response to Re: Re: Agency Girls, posted by Darkstar on Jul 31, 2002

I think Pastilla's comments were about Amigos.com, which is run by Friendfinder.com and is just like a personals column in a newspaper that accepts personal ads for a low cost.  Amigos.com is their Spanish language site and was not intended for introducing North American men to Latin women for marriage.  They also have sections for people just seeking sex partners and men seeking men or women seeking women.  That's not what I would call a "MOB" introduction agency.  Perhaps he should have said that only prostitutes signup with Amigos.com (which obviously would not be correct either).  I'm sure there's plenty of legitimate women signed up with them along with the prostitutes advertising their services.

There's been similar complaints about personal ad sites that were accepting East Europeans.  Many were either "pros" or con artists, or women put there by agencies trying to attract business.  It got so bad that some of these free or very low cost personal ad sites stopped accepting ads from the FSU.

Perhaps you really do get what you pay for and those who use the free or nearly free sites will need to do more leg work in screening out undesirables when they use these services.

Put enough work into the process and you can find a good woman through any method. I think it's better to have lots of choices and let each man decide for himself which best suits his personal style.

[pastilla100]

... in response to Confusion over what an agency is, posted by Patrick on Jul 31, 2002

The amigos.com cite represents itself as a legitimate cite for meeting other people from Latin America.  The adult stuff is supposed to be a totally separate cite.  It’s a cite where everyone has his or her own private mailbox and you can send private messages to each other.  They even have a chat room.  The site is actually very well designed and easy to use.  However, I just signed on today and browsed through the Colombia section which was littered with prostitutes in their skimpy outfits.  Most of the prostitutes are easy to spot, but some of them do a good job of passing themselves off as legitimate which is irritating when you waiste the time to respond.  There are many legitimate women on this cite.  But, I wonder whether it will degrade over time.  Obviously their censors are not doing a good job because many of the pictures violate their posting policy.  Another good idea gone bad.  Maybe agencies are the way to go because they are the best of a bad situation.

[pastilla100]

... in response to Agency Girls, posted by Darkstar on Jul 31, 2002

Start trying things for yourself and form your own opinions of reality.  If you actually luck out and find somebody then nothing said here matters anyway.  I was just reacting to my latest attempt at amigos.com where I E-mailed some of the prettier ladies and got automatic responses like “contact me if you are prepared to spend the weekend with me”.  I have been to Cali and Bogota and, as some other men have pointed out here, the women on the streets seem more attractive (especially in Bogota) then the ones in the agencies.  A beautiful woman with good character is hot property in any country.  At this point, I have accepted the reality that you have to go to them, they are not going to come to you.  Since the women in Colombia are approachable, I think it would be a great strategy to just have a polite Colombian man or woman approach women in public places and ask them if they want to talk to you.  If anyone has tried this, we really want to hear your experiences.

[Calipro]

... in response to Re: Agency Girls, posted by pastilla100 on Jul 31, 2002


 There is a guy who works the malls in Cali. His name is Walter J. Mora. I used him a couple of times when I was in Cali. You just go with him to the mall and when you see something you like just point it out. He goes over to the women and explains to the women that there is an american with him that would like to meet you. He is very good at getting their phone numbers but after that the rest is up to you. One tid bit of information he does work for Ed so if he thinks the women is attractive he also writes down her number. So, after you leave he could be calling her up to invite her to socials to meet other americans.

Personally I would try the agencies first but if you want to hit the malls with Walter his Home number is 3328377 and his CELL is (03315) 5222246 in Cali.

Remember all women want something. The only difference between a gold digger and very sincere women is she doesn't really like you. Personally, I try to make that as hard as possible.

                                           Wayne

[Pete E]

... in response to approaching women in public places, posted by Calipro on Aug 1, 2002


Wayne,
I think if guys want to do the mall approach and do not speak good spanish they definetly need help,so a guy like you mention could help make it work.I guess there is always the hope your going to find that unspoiled jewel who would never go to an agency.There certainly are alot of good looking women in the malls to get a guys hopes up this might work.Again if you only have a week,don't waste much time here,maybe ad it too an agency search approach.
"The difference between a gold digger and a very sincere woman is she doesn't really like you".There is some truth in that,I guess if a gold digger,if she wasn't a hard core user/loser might change her ways for the right guy,but I have to think the type of girl we really want would never be a gold digger anyway.But I don't think of a girl who wants to improve her material position and likes material things as a gold digger.I reserve that term for a girl who will use you only for the goddies,who's prime motivation is the goods now who doesn'tneed to like you at all.
There got to be another statement along the lines of yours.I guess I think of the spoiled concieted US woman who is just looking for more than most guys can offer who will come around for the right guy.She gets hit on by so many guys she is not interested in she can get pretty good at giving them the get lost.So"the difference between the cold hard concieted bit-h and a good girl friend is she likes you."
Actually alot of these US woman types have to change thier ways to get a guy.Mr perfect just doesn't come along often enough.Surprising what some of them will settle for after awhile,but I don't want to be the one waiting for them to change.
When the going gets tough the smart switch.
God I love the thinking behind this,be willing to change your market.I love geographical choices.You can't change the weather but its always summer somewhere,so you can change the weather you will experience.And the women you will experience also.What a deal.And to think 99% of guys are still beating their head against the same old wall.Enough internet exposure may even wake up some of them who rarely have an original thought.

Pete

[Wayne1]

... in response to Re: Agency Girls, posted by pastilla100 on Jul 31, 2002

I've done this with a translator.  We approached together, not her first.  Never had a negative reception.  Every guy is going to be different.

My wife says DON'T do it in the malls.  Her and her friends used to laugh at the gringos trying this and it is not looked apon well.  Just her opinion.

Besides, who wants to catch a shopaholic anyway.  You can find that here.

Wayne