More on Mexicanas!

[Alteno]

... in response to Interesting... but..., posted by MarkInTx on Feb 22, 2002

Mark stated:

'Also, although I think there are many beautiful women on there, I would say that they all look very much like a "traditonal" (or stereotypical?) mexican latina.
I'm not saying that that is a bad thing... but I don't see these tall blondes you keep referring to'...

Of course you will see more beautiful Morenas than anything else in Mexico. What I am telling you here is that in this area, Guadalajara and eastern Jalisco (the Los Altos region), there is a wide variety of women to choose from, from blondes to morenas. Tall, beautiful, curvaceous natural blondes tend to rule here in the Los Altos region, though, as girls from GDL (Tapatias) tend to be Morena clara with voluptuous figures and big, beautiful eyes.

Tell me something, if you saw a tall, beautiful blonde with blue eyes in your hometown, would you think she was Mexican? No, you wouldn't give it a second thought. But they might just be around, on exchange or studying English at a local university.

People of pure European descent make up only 10% of the population of Mexico.

And, if you think all of the Gueras (blondes) are rich, just take a tour of the 'pueblitos' (in the rural areas) here in Los Altos, and you will see beautiful blonde girls milking cows or riding horses or burros. That is also a common misconception about Mexico, that all of the 'white folk' are extremely wealthy...

[colman]

... in response to That is because you probably don't know ..., posted by Alteno on Feb 23, 2002

10% white--maybe but even when Argentina and Uruguay state their ethnic make-up--I question this. Maybe its me, maybe its because I live in Chicago, maybe its because I love to indulge in different cultures and histories but when I think of Rubias(Gueras) I think of mainly Slavic countries, and also Scandinavian countries and not of Mexican/Latin women. Your right there are blond and blue eye Mexicanas and Latinas but for some reason I can always tell if they are Latinas and not European, American blondes. When I would go out on dates with my ex-girlfrien(Mexican-American) we would usually go out to many family events. She had a very large extended family here in Chicago, anyway she too as well as I would meet for the first time many extended family members: aunts, uncles, second-cousins, padrinos. Well my point is alot of these families would say thier family were "gueras" I almost laugh and well obviously I would keep my thoughts to myself but these people were not gueras, gueros, rubias--I mean they just weren't. All of these people were very enthocentrically from Jalisco. I think they used the term "guera" very loosely. Of all the females that I met that were "guera" not one of them look supposively "European" as they claim. One thing for sure, yes some were blonde, most not, more hazel than blue eyes but every one of them were snow white skin.  I think many of these people used theier snow white skin to put down other Mexicans. You may not believe it, but I saw and observed this common but underground practice.

[Tai]

... in response to That is because you probably don't know ..., posted by Alteno on Feb 23, 2002

Randy...

So when you say "morena" you are referring to what many people would consider the "typical" latina; tanned skin, dark eyes, dark hair? (Perhaps Salma Hayek for example)

This is just for clarification purposes, as I think that I am picturing a different image of "morena" and "morena clara".

-Tai

[Cali vet]

... in response to Re: That is because you probably don't k..., posted by Tai on Feb 23, 2002

In Colombia as you know, having been there the term "morena" means black girl. Evidently from what he is saying, Mexicans use the term to refer to what in Colombia would be triguena. Or at least that's my take.

[Tai]

... in response to Re: Re: That is because you probably don..., posted by Cali vet on Feb 23, 2002

Cali vet,

That's the impression I was developing also, that morenas of Mexico would be like the trigueñas of Colombia. -Based on that premise, one might infer that the "morena claras" of Mexico would fall into the range of the blancas of Colombia...depending on how "clara".

[Cali vet]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: That is because you probably..., posted by Tai on Feb 23, 2002

Tai

I don't know what a "morena clara" would be. Morenas are morena but I have heard "triguena clarita" used occasionally. My experience is that even girls with what we consider very white skin like many in Bogota are condidered triguena if they have black hair and blancas if they're blond or naturally light haired. Eye color too seems to produce a distiction. It seems to me a pretty inexact science. Anyhow Selma Hayak ain't no typical latina she's a A-rab and looks it albeit bajita.

[Jeff S]

... in response to Interesting... but..., posted by MarkInTx on Feb 22, 2002

I surmise from your handle that you're from Texas, just across the Rio Grande from Mexico. I suggest you get to know some Mexicans. No, not the busboy at your local Denny's, but some middle class, business people, type Mexicans. Ask then to take you to where their group of Mexicans hang out in a border town. I'm not talking about where the gringo kids try to see how many shots of Cuervo Gold they can toss down before hurling on the sidewalk, the real local places where the Mexicans go. You won't find Mousey and Sad Girl (from the movie "Mi Vida Loca") there, trust me. Everyone has told me how dumpy Juarez is, but the first few times I was there was with business people, and the place has an incredible charm. Likewise Tijuana where I'd been spending tourista time since the 1960s, was totally different wnen I started mnaging a factory there in the '90s. You'll get a feel for the place that can't be described, and you'll start meeting women that'll take your breath away - nothing like you see pushing baby buggies in the barrio. Give it a shot. You'll be very surprised, and instead of thinking in terms of moving to central Mexico for months, you might be thinking of hopping in your car for a few 4 day weekends that'll be cheaper than an average Friday night with most AW. Next time you're in SoCal let me know, and I'll take you to TJ.

-- Jeff S.

[Alteno]

... in response to A suggestion, Mark., posted by Jeff S on Feb 23, 2002

...Mexican culture (for better or worse) is not about Hispanic culture at all. Mexico is very much still a class society, and there is not much mixing. I am not being elitist here, believe me, but most Gringos have never seen where the middle and upper class Mexicanas hang out. Take a look at the Society page of any Mexican newspaper, especially in Guadalajara, and you will be very suprised at the incredible beauty. Granted, some of these high society girls will not be interested. But, suprisingly enough, a lot will be interested. My wife was in the society pages (for just attending weddings), and I married her. She is from a middle to upper class family.

This is the point I am trying to make; that there is a whole receptive world of beautiful, educated and traditional women available just over the border. Just don't get caught up in going to the same old Gringo 'holes' everyone else does.

I was forty years old and Baptist when I studied Spanish at the Univ. Autonoma de Guadalajara, a private and very prestigious Catholic university. I was literally swamped with attention from beautiful girls and even some teachers. If I can do it, most anyone should be able to have the same amount of success...

[MarkInTx]

... in response to A suggestion, Mark., posted by Jeff S on Feb 23, 2002

Jeff, I was just IN so Cal...

San Diego... for a week...

Ah well... next time...

As for border towns... I am not sure... I am in DFW. It's not as close to the border as you might imagine. Texas is a pretty big state :-)

Although... my father has been to a campground south of Mexico City, I believe, and has been trying for a couple of years to get me down there with him...

Hmmmm.... myabe I should go and visit his friends soon...

[Jeff S]

... in response to Well... Dang it!, posted by MarkInTx on Feb 23, 2002

If I were in Texas, I'd plan some trips to Monterrey. It's an industrialized international city so attracts plenty of white collar people from all over Mexico. If you were a young college graduate in Mexico (and there are plenty of women in that group) that's the type of city you'd gravitate to. It's kind of like Dallas, the high tech center of that part of the country, attracting bright people from many hundreds of miles around. In Monterrey, it means lots of bilingual secretaries, engineers, accountants, human resources personnel, etc, etc. It couldn't be more than a couple hour flight from DFW, and probably only an 8 hour drive or so (I could be off a couple hours or so.) If you are a buisinessman with even a slight possibility of being able to conduct some sort of business, I'd contact the Chamber of Commerce and tell them I was coming and interested in getting to know some of the local businessemen. You'll be amazed at how many contacts you can make in a very short time, and perhaps hit on some interesting business ideas as well. The Mexican business community takes entertainment very seriously - they kind of remind me of Japanese businessmen in Japan - coming home at about midnight most weeknights. I don't advocate BSing them if you're really a Wallmart security giuard, but if you can mix some business with the pleasure, it's a great way to go.

-- Jeff S.

[MarkInTx]

... in response to Re: Well... Dang it!, posted by Jeff S on Feb 25, 2002

I'll keep it in mind.

Actually, I am a little more than a wal-mart security guard... but I don't really have my own business. The LA group in my company is already handling the Mexican acount... unfortunately...

But I appreciate the ideas...

[digital1942]

... in response to More on Mexicanas!, posted by Alteno on Feb 22, 2002


 If you want us to think outside the box then take some pictures and put them up on a web page so we can see these women.  It can't be that hard.  And a picture is worth a thousand words.  It will save you a lot of writing and arguing time.  Thank you.

[Alteno]

... in response to Re: More on Mexicanas!, posted by digital1942 on Feb 22, 2002

...but I just can't walk around these towns taking pictures of all the pretty girls I come across for the following reasons:

1) I am now married and I doubt if my wife would approve of me taking photos of beautiful women.

2) Everyone knows everybody else in these small towns, and word would soon get around about the wierd, married gringo taking photos of girls.

3) Most girls here would not want their photo taken for use on some kind of internet forum.

  I am just trying to explain how differant the ethnic makeup here is in Mexico, thats all. I am not advertising Mexico, just saying that there are other options besides Colombia, thats all. I am just trying to explain, for the man who wants to try a differant area other than Colombia, Mexico is an excellent choice.

[MarkInTx]

... in response to Sounds good on paper..., posted by Alteno on Feb 22, 2002

I don't think it is reasonable to ask you to walk around snapping pictures of women and posting them to a website.

But... where can we go to get an example of the tall blonde mexican women you refer to? Like I said... MexicanMatchmakers.com lists many women. And I think none of them are blonde.

Is the only way to understand what you are meaning to jump a plane and fly there?

That seems pretty extreme...

Please understand... I am interested in what you say... but how can someone feel good about going... before they actually go?

(BTW... how did you meet your wife?)

[El Diablo]

... in response to No One is asking you to, posted by MarkInTx on Feb 22, 2002

I talked to a guy a week ago or so who just returned from Mexican Match Makers.  He had been to Cali, Bogota, and Barranquilla before and he said he preferred the experience in Guad.  I asked him about the women on the web site and he indicated there were significantly more in the books, he guessed around 500 or so.  He did mention that to his liking the Colombian girls are hard to beat in terms of appearence alone but then again they were in general younger also.  Bottom line, he said there were plenty of nice and attractive gals to meet.  Now this is an anecdotal experience but it is consistent with what I've been hearing from other guys too.

For myself, I've been to Colombia so many times that it's difficult for me to think about another place.  At this point, it's almost as if I have Colombia in my blood.  But if I was starting over or new to the process I would definitely consider Guad.  I like the idea of finding a women from a culture a bit more conservative and the fact that Guad is only a 3.5  hour flight from California has appeal to me also.  

El Diablo