More on Mexicanas!

[Jeff S]

... in response to Re: More on Mexicanas!, posted by TexasRob on Feb 22, 2002

The old "I don't want to leave my family" excuse is a blow off for guys who they'd rather quietly disappeared into the sunset. I know many Mexicanas and they'll all follow their main anywhere, even when their man is a piecework strawberry picker. Trust me, few wouldn't toss their entire world to live above the arctic circle as the wife of a night manager at Pep Boys, if they were really in love with the guy. The banter here about Mexicanas not wanting to leave their homes is pure "caca de toro." It's a rare woman anywhere in the world who'd prefer to turn her back on her family, friends, history and comfort level to run off to horizons unknown, even if they're from the Crapsville, Latinamerica, Asia, Europe, or Africa. It's also a rare woman who wouldn't make that choice to do just that for the man they loved.

-- Jeff S.

[Alteno]

... in response to Amen Tex, posted by Jeff S on Feb 23, 2002

...Jeff, but when I originally stated many girls from this region don't want to leave, it is because they are most likely from wealthy families, and wouldn't leave for economic reasons. Most of the girls I have come in contact with here in Mexico are from middle to upper class families. I don't say that to gloat, it is just due to the fact I lived in a upper class area, went to a private university and married into a middle to upper (not really sure yet) class family.

Many educated and professional women do go to the USA or Canada (it is easier to access Canada for Mexicans, no visa needed) to work, as they can make five times more in another country...

[Zorro]

... in response to More on Mexicanas!, posted by Alteno on Feb 22, 2002

I already have my colombiana. But you really have my curiousity up. I always enjoy looking at beautiful women, so I'm dying to see some photos of some of these "world's most beautiful women". Please, tell us where your website is with your photos. Remember, a picture is worth a thousand words.

[Patrick]

... in response to More on Mexicanas!, posted by Alteno on Feb 22, 2002

I met two Mexican women before I met my wife (in Cali).  One of the ladies was from Vera Cruz and I'd have to say she was the most beautiful woman I met during my search phase (too young for me though and we really didn't have much in common).

We need more guys posting who have actually been in Mexico searching for a woman.  The only reason Colombia is so popular is because there's so many agencies there.  For those who are willing to actually learn Spanish well, you can significantly broaden your horizons by going it alone without an agency.  If you like more conservative women, then IMHO, Mexico would be the preferred country over Colombia.

[Pete E]

... in response to More on Mexicanas!, posted by Alteno on Feb 22, 2002

Randy,
Yes planet love is very Colombian oriented.Thats because most all of the success stories are coming out of Colombia.Call it a box if you like but I would welcome it getting expanded to other areas.
I for one welcome any other success stories and experiences anybody has had anywhere else,and thank you for your imformative posts.I guess the other thing is this list is a little agency oriented because thats what most guys have been using.You talk about American and Canadian men meeting women in Mexico and living in Mexico,but yourself and 2 or 3 others is all we have heard from.Maybe these guys just sort of found it on their own in their travels,and not from this list.I met alot of Canadians in my travels to Mexico.Particularly if they are in to farming there isn't much to do up there in the winter,so some spend alot of winter time in warm climates.
If a guy can take months to travel and he speaks the native language success could be had in many places.The one concern I have is guys who have limited time and money to travel,I would rather see them go where the chance of success is the greatest so they don't get discouraged and give up.Even among the ones who go to Colombia I would prefer to see them use an agency to increase their chance of success.If the want to try their luck in malls also OK,but don't count on it.I had a friend go to Colombia,stay with my wifes family and meet one of my wifes friends,who monopolised his time,even though he new pretty quickly he wasn't interested.He came back thinking he would not go again.He missed 95% of what the experience is.This is an expensive undertaking and guys can give up on it fast if they get no results.
I guess my other concern is guys who speculate or critisise without having actually gone anywhere.Things like there are lots of latinas in the US,why travel.Well if you had had success with the US latinas we probably wouldn't be hearing from you here.I can't emphasise stongly enough to just go,wherever you choose to go.

Pete

[Patrick]

... in response to Re: More on Mexicanas!, posted by Pete E on Feb 22, 2002

The key is to know Spanish well.  If you get that far, you could contact newspapers in target cities to place a personal ad, then travel to meet the interested ladies who respond.  That way you're not just traveling blind and hoping a chance encounter out in public will result in you meeting an interested woman who would be willing to relocate.  You at least know they're interested and would probably relocate before you get on a plane.

If I were single, that's what I would most likely do.  I don't care much for "tours" or interviewing ladies through agencies, so I may be different than most.  When I did take the agency route, I did it in as hands-off a way as possible, using them only to obtain contact information then writing and later visiting on my own.

I'm sure men could succeed in Mexico.  There just wouldn't be as much hand-holding as there is for guys who visit a place like Cali.  If you're the independent type and know Spanish well, you can do it.  I myself started looking about half-way through my first semester of Spanish and by the time I was married (during my 4th semester), I could get by pretty well in the language.

[digital1942]

... in response to There are ways, posted by Patrick on Feb 22, 2002

It would be informative to have some details on how you placed the ads.  My take on this is that the most effective ad would be to avoid the personals and place an ad with a full picture in a local magazine or newspaper read by the target female audience you are searching for.  What newspapers or magazines did you use.  Also, it seems that when you contacted them you would have had to use an interpretor or find someone who speaks English because this is too complicated to arrange with beginning Spanish.

[Patrick]

... in response to Re: There are ways, posted by digital1942 on Feb 22, 2002

I had ads placed for me by a service, now long out of business, so I don't know what newspapers they were placed in.  They were in Monterrey, Chihuahua, and Mexicali.  There was no photo, and the description of me was (intentionally?) incorrect.  They said I had blond hair and blue eyes.  Other than that, it was correct.

At the peak, I was receiving 20-30 letters per day.  I don't know what results someone would get these days.  That was about 6 or 7 years ago.  I think the "blond hair and blue eyes" bit probably pumped up my response rate.  I was around 35 at the time.  Unfortunately, due to the really long delay in getting the ads published, I was already planning on visiting a lady I had written to myself in Moneterry through her own ad in a pen-pal agency so I didn't start anything with any of the ladies.  I wrote back to quite a few of the first one's who wrote saying thanks for writing, but after a while I was overwhelmed.  One lady wrote and included a copy of th4e personal ad, and that's how I found out they changed my self-description before publishing it.  Turns out they did that in all three locations.

I was finished with my first semester of Spanish when these ads were published, and with the help of an interactive translation program I had installed on my PC and my own knowledge of Spanish, I was able to understand everything written to me.  It's much easier to read and write Spanish for someone just starting out than it is to understand spoken Spanish.

Based on what I know now, I'd say El Sol de Monterrey might be a good one to use for Monterrey.  I don't know of any papers in Guadelajara.  You could probably find some with a search engine.

Maybe Randy could help you with information on local newspapers.

[digital1942]

... in response to Re: Re: There are ways, posted by Patrick on Feb 22, 2002

Thanks for the information n/t

[Cali vet]

... in response to Re: Re: There are ways, posted by Patrick on Feb 22, 2002

A magazine that girls all over Latin America read is "TU". TLC places ads in it to attract participants for their tours and quarterly catalogs. I don't know if they accept personal type ads from individuals but if they do you could be assured of being seen all over Central and South America including Mexico by the 14 to 30 set.

[MarkInTx]

... in response to There are ways, posted by Patrick on Feb 22, 2002

That is an option, Patrick.

Actually, placing an ad in Mexico is an option even if you don't know spanish. It would be fairly easy to get an ad translated for you.

But there are still some problems...

One) I have read much posted on this board that Mexican Women really don't want to leave. I undertand that you can't paint with a broad brush... but there seems to be SOME truth to it. The one thing about a lady who has gone to the agency is that she has already decided, or at least is open to, leaving her country

Two) Going to Mexico with nothing but a map and some knowledge of the language will take some time. You have to admit. Most guys don't have weeks to devote to searching and hoping that he will find someone. And there's no telling that even if you hit it off with someone that she will want to move (see number one) which makes it harder.

Three) What does "more conservative" mean, exactly? If that means that it is a LONG time before there is any physical contact (did I read that even holding hands takes weeks?) Then it will take even longer to have any sense if there is the kind of attraction and connection between you that would make you want to bring her here, and make her want to come. Again, we just don't have that much time to get to know someone. I'm not advocating "sex tours"... but the whole "foreign bride" search and romance is a very condensed thing. By its very nature, two people have to make the decision about each other a lot faster than if they were dating in their neighborhood. This doesn't lend itself to a "conservative" approach, in any facet of a relationship.

I am not saying that I would rule out Mexico. There is a lot that makes a lot of sense. But there seems to be some serious roadblocks, too.

It's not just that guys don't know that there are good looking women there. As has been stated, there are good looking women everywhere...

[Patrick]

... in response to Re: There are ways, posted by MarkInTx on Feb 22, 2002

I don't advocate going in cold and trying to just meet someone out in public.  Unless you can do what Randy did and just go live there, you're counting on considerable luck in limited time.  What I suggested was placing a personal ad and then cultivating some friendships before traveling.  I think by placing an ad and stating where you live, and perhaps that you're looking for a woman who would consider relocating, you'd basically be doing part of what the agencies do for you-  Prescreening women for interest in meeting a gringo and possibly marrying and moving to his country.  What you don't get that way is an interpreter and someone to help you during your travels, which is why I strongly encourage knowing Spanish if you want to go without using an agency.

You're probably right about the physical part of the relationship with some Mexican women.  From my exposure to them, I definitely think they're more conservative than Colombian women in general.  Of course there's going to be considerable variation within each population and you'll be able to find everything from Mother Teresa to hookers in both cultures.  But from the perhaps 20 or so Mexican women I've gotten to know (some through their husbands) I really have the impression that they are more conservative, in general, than their Colombian counterparts.

[Alteno]

... in response to Re: Re: There are ways, posted by Patrick on Feb 22, 2002

...I went to visit the colonial cities of Mexico on vacation in July 2000. I have a strong interest in history, and Mexico has so much that I always wanted to see. Couple that with wanting to see if the stories were true (from the Mexicans I had worked with in the past) about the most beautiful women being from the Guadalajara area, and I had two good reasons for vacationing there. I didn't know at the time I would return to study Spanish there, as I had pretty much decided on studying in Costa Rica.

As I strolled through the malls, plazas and virtually everywhere, I was inundated with interest from the most beautiful women I (that meaning ME) had ever seen in my life. When I saw my wife, she literally took my breath away, but she basically showed no interest, which intrigued me. She did however know I was interested, and she gave me the 'in' I needed, sitting on a bench while her nieces (now my beautiful nieces) kept shopping. So, I returned to Guadalajara over Costa Rica to study, but my Spanish still sucks!

I guess my point is that all you basically have to do is 'show up'! It is that easy, as you will be shown a lot of attention. The hard part is discerning what the girls interest is in; does it lie in practicing Spanish, are they poor girls looking for a green card (rare in GDL, I think you see that more in the USA), do they just want to be friends? What exactly? I ran into the 'want to be friends first' a lot in GDL, which was OK for me, but for someone on a limited time schedule, it might be frustrating...

[Cali vet]

... in response to I met my wife originally on vacation..., posted by Alteno on Feb 23, 2002

It's been documented over and over that many Cali women accept large age gaps. What is the prevalent attitude of the Mexican women where you are?

[MarkInTx]

... in response to More on Mexicanas!, posted by Alteno on Feb 22, 2002

Not everyone can just move to Mexico.

So, we have to rely on agencies and websites to help us find women to date, and romance.

The only site I see that has women from Guadalajara on it is MexicanMatchmakers.com.

It is not a bad site, but its content hasn't changed in several months which always makes me suspicious.

Also, although I think there are many beautiful women on there, I would say that they all look very much like a "traditonal" (or stereotypical?) mexican latina.

I'm not saying that that is a bad thing... but I don't see these tall blondes you keep referring to...

I appreciate that you are a great cheerleader for your area... and I agree that it is refreshing to hear about somewhere that the US Embassy has NOT put a traveller's alert on...

But telling us how beautiful the women are doesn't help us figure out how to find those women.

As I said before, not everyone can do what you did...