Women of Columbia

[MinneapolisJeff]

I'm pleased to see the varied and relevent exchanges of info people are sharing here, I hope to benefit from it!!

I'm 33 years old, living in Minneapolis, MN. For the past few years, I've been jumping around the different sites featuring women from Cali, Bogota, and Medellin. I've sent email to most of the agencies asking for their opinions on questions such as what city is safest? What city and agency offers more beautiful women? What city / agency seems to have the highest success rate concerning a long term relationship? What city will offer more english speaking women? The answers to these questions have been so biased and untruthful that I gave up on asking them these questions. Granted, they're running a "for profit" business and are marketing thenselves in order to make money, but the info I've recieved has in every instance been self serving and 100% percent different than the previous agency who may be just down the Calle. I've been told things like "the best looking women are in Cali. They have bigger breasts", "Bogota women are more apt to speak english as they attend universities there and they look professional while the wome in Cali appear to be farmers except at night when they're out dancing", "Bogota is safer from rebels due to the military / police presence", "Cali is safer, Bogota is where the petty thiefs learn and practice their trade", "the woman in Cali have been thinned out by the tours, Bogota has millions more people", "Cali is like Miami, Bogota is like New York" and the list goes on.

Without taking up your whole day, does anyone have an opinion as a experienced "tourist" to some of these questions? I'm done asking the operators, I'm not getting the truth. What agency will blow you away with the most beautiful women? What agency is worth the time? What are the pro's & con's of Bogota & Cali? etc.

If anyone can help "set me straight", I'll be grateful.

Jeff

[Patrick]

... in response to Women of Columbia, posted by MinneapolisJeff on Jul 15, 2001

Seeking the most beautiful women may be a mistake.  It's what many men seem to be looking for though.  Looks fade and their effect on you fade even faster.  You can find plenty of very attractive women anywhere and limiting your choices to beauty queens will most likely result in never finding success, and possibly finding out that "success" is worse than being single.

Many of your questions are also of a type that will never generate (a truthful) reply.  Any agency that spends enough time and energy tracking the success of their married couples is not going to be in business long.  Even finding the couples who are willing to keep communication open would be difficult.  Most people use the agencies only long enough to find someone, then want nothing further to do with them or the "MOB" scene in general.  I think few men want anyone to know how they met their wife.  Your other questions are very much subjective.  What city's safest?  Who knows?  Maybe the one's with the fewest incidents of guerilla terrorism?  Maybe the one with the lowest rate of street crime?  And beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  Why not just look at the ladies photos and make up your own mind?  I would recommend the most indepenent approach you can take.  If you can meet ladies outside agencies on your own, that would be the best.  Otherwise, looking for the most service generally opens you up for at least disappointment, and possibly some level of fraud.  The more you want the agency to do, the less control you have.

If you don't speak Spanish, you should start studying.  It's probably the single most important thing you can do to lessen you reliance on an agency.  It'll also allow you to get to know women better before getting married and make you more sensitive to how difficult it is to truely master a foreign language when your wife is learning English (which, by the way, is significantly more difficult to learn than Spansh).  I would also assume that if you have children, you're going to be living in a bilingual household and being left out of half the conversation is no fun.

[Dan The Man]

... in response to Women of Columbia, posted by MinneapolisJeff on Jul 15, 2001

OK Guys, I have been to Bogota, and Cali, both cities have many beatiful women. As a matter of fact, I am returning to Cali on August 13, 2001 for one week. My preference is Cali. Do not get me wrong though, Bogota is very beautiful, but the elevation of the city is above 9,000 feet. (Did you know that?) When you leave a place like Florida (Sea Level) and go to a place like Bogota, it can be very difficult. I am in very good shape, but there were days that I took oxygen just to keep up. It is certainly something that you should consider. I am engaged to a lovely lady from Cali, and if this helps any at all, her tits are bigger than the first latina that I met from Bogota. (hehehe) I have never been to an Agency at either place. but I can tell you that there are women in Colombia that are looking for a sincere relationship, and there are ones that will gladly take your money for as long as they can. It is a tradition that most women do not leave the parental home until they marry. My fiance, who is also a college graduate, lives with her great grandmother, her grand mother, and her mother. If you can find someone in that type of enviroment, you will probably be pretty safe. If they are trully interested in you, they will want you to be a part of their family. I made three trips to Colombia, before I finally met the "One". There are a lot of on-line places that you can email the girls directly at no cost. Amigos.com has tons of women that are latina, but you need to speak spanish for that one. kiss.com is also very good.  ok, you guys keep pluggin, I will tell you this....if you find the right Latina women....You will be a very happy man!

[buzzy]

... in response to Women of Columbia, posted by MinneapolisJeff on Jul 15, 2001

You're asking for facts....or statistics. What you get are opinions.   And according to Webster an opinion can be "a belief or idea....an evaluation or conclusion...a judgment or estimation.. a prevailing view or sentiment."  I don't think there are any statistics about the MOB industry.  You simply need to hear the opinions, and then go, risk, and experience. Win, lose, or draw you'll have what everyone has...an opinion on Planet-Love. Good luck.

[Sol]

... in response to Women of Columbia, posted by MinneapolisJeff on Jul 15, 2001

Jeff,

The best girl for you is where you find her. Annoying response, isn't it? Well, having followed this board for the last six months I don't know that anyone can come up with better advise.

I'm about to visit a lady from Bogota. I never expected to go to Bogota. There's nothing that particularly excites me about Bogota except that this one lady is there. My next trip to Latin America might take me to another city or even another country. Beautiful English speaking women are in all the large cities. I don't know that anyone can tell you where the 'best' ones are.

I'd suggest you follow this list for a while and read through lots of the old archives for lots of in-the-trenches information. Post your questions here but don't expect pat answers to 'Where are the most beautiful women?'

Also, start thinking about how you're going to make first contact. Some guys write to women first, others go on tours, others go the agency route.

Sol

p.s. "Colombia" doesn't have a 'u' in it.

p.p.s. Ray Reitzle of International Lady (intlady.com) has tremendous integrity; I don't know that he can answer your questions but he won't lie to you. He sells addresses of women all over Latin America (but mostly Colombia) and he has no vested interest in where you go to or which agency/tour you do. Look up his number on his web-site.

[Bueller]

... in response to Women of Columbia, posted by MinneapolisJeff on Jul 15, 2001

Jeff, looking at websites for a few years is long enough to have learned how to spell Colombia correctly. And to just go there.
  There are tons of beautiful women in all the above cities, and you only need one. Just go. And if you can´t decide on one city, go to more than one and make up your own mind.

[MinneapolisJeff]

... in response to Re: Women of Columbia, posted by Bueller on Jul 15, 2001

Sol / Bueller,

Whoops, I'm aware of the spelling!! Periodically, I type faster than I should. My mistake and apologies.

I appreciate the comments thus far. I guess I should have narrowed down the thoughts I was looking for. I think it absurd that Calenas would be any better looking than women from Bogota and vice versa. Is a woman from Chicago any better looking than a woman from Minneapolis? I don't think so. Again, I'm trying to gain others personal insight based on actual experience. I'm not anti social or desperate. For me spanish woman are extremely attractive and if there was a larger presence in the Twin Cities, I'd start bouncing around meeting as many as possible. I notice others leaving negative posts regarding those of us who are looking for Ms. Colombia, whats wrong with wanting to hang out with a stunning beauty? I'd hope I'm smart enough to see things for they are, good or bad.  I've read testimonials galore indicating to "just go, get on a plane and get to the party". However I haven't seen a site where people honestly tell the rest how their trip went and what would be in their opinion, better the next time. Yes, I've spoke with Ray R. and he is a pretty nice guy. He's the one who told me that "the woman in Cali have bigger tit's". All I'm looking for presently is for some agency referrals and other opinion regarding "the bottom line" of going to Colombia to meet woman and enjoy the culture.  

Thanks!!

[DallasSteve]

... in response to Re: Re: Women of Colombia, posted by MinneapolisJeff on Jul 15, 2001

Jeff

If you have no trouble meeting attractive women and you are looking for a Latina why not spend a few weeks in San Antonio, or San Diego, or Miami?  There are many beautiful latinas there and a higher percentage will speak English.  It's a lot cheaper, faster, and you don't have to sign the INS's infamous support agreement.

On the other hand, I married a beauty from Colombia so I'm not saying don't do it, but the FARC is not very active here in the USA. ;-)

As far as cities, I only went to Bogota.  I think my wife looks like she could be from the coast or Cali with her dark skin and long, straight, dark hair, but you can meet all types in Bogota.

Steve

[buzzy]

... in response to Re: Re: Women of Colombia, posted by MinneapolisJeff on Jul 15, 2001

Ok here's a referral....my opinion.   When I went to Latin Best in Cali a few years back they picked me up at the airport and whizzed me to the agency where they also have a bed and breakfast.  I had a date that evening and everyday during the several days my calendar was busy with appoinments.  A few no-shows but overall worth every penney for the excellent service and portfolio of candidates.  Someone recently posted about LB so apparently they're still up and running.  BTW I also met some gringos there and that was a fun and interesting experience. I realize you don't go to meet guys but the networking and friendships that result can be rewarding.  Good luck.

[Cali vet]

... in response to Re: Re: Women of Colombia, posted by MinneapolisJeff on Jul 15, 2001

Regarding differences between woman from different cities it is true that the population of Indianapolas is going to look pretty much like that of St. Louis. However we are a very mobil society in the states and that's not so true in Colombia. I think there are easily percieved differences for example between Cali and Barranquilla. In B/quilla there's a high percentage of very dark skinned women with not African but native indian features and (they are stunning!)there's a substancial dose of Lebanese in the  mix. Much of the indian influence is from the Guajira region to the east and the girls even call themselves chibchombianas after the Chibcha tribe. Yes there are certainly "chloas" or indian featured girls in Cali but not nearly the persentage (too bad). Also the predominant population along all of the Pacific coast is of African origen. I have found that when I meet and talk to black girls in Cali nine times out of ten they have family in Buenaventura. The predominant type in Manizales seemed to me to be fair skinned. So I think there really are some pretty distinct regional differences. Of course in Bogota, like N.Y.C. there's some of everything. Anyone agree/dissagree?

[FenixRises]

... in response to Re: Re: Women of Colombia, posted by MinneapolisJeff on Jul 15, 2001

MinnJeff,
I have been to Colombia once, recently. I choose Cali for the climate, I like warm weather and sunshine not clouds and cool rainy days.
There is no formula for any of this. Everyone of us are unique individuals. My very specific recommendations may be complete garbage to you. And of course the reverse may be true. For me I like to do some research then I make a decision then take action or not. From the first time I looked at MOB site for Colombia until I was in Cali was about 5 weeks elapsed time. Certainly not long enough to establish a mail dialog with anyone.
Specific information is valuable.
Valid non-opinionated answers for questions about where, how, when and cost can be answered easily.
Those answers a invaluable because they save you time. Unless you are planning a stay of long duration, time becomes the most precious commodity in Colombia.
There are a mulititude of opinions on this board on a wide range of subjects and what is best is very subjective.

There are attractive women everywhere in the world. I think that besides the physical appearance it is the values of Colobianas that many AM seek. Writing may be for you or you may want to go to Colombia and met face to face at first. Your choice. What works for you? The best recommendation I can give is to research the archives. Take notes on what is valid for you, what you like and what you are looking for and what makes sense to you. Then take action or not.
And I know that the guys here will almost always be willing to express their opinions about anything pertaining to LA woman and the whole process of finding the right one for you.
Fred