Cuba the next Colombia???

[pack]

... in response to Re: Re: you are completely wrong again !..., posted by DallasSteve on Jun 26, 2001

oh god another poll!

[Houndog]

... in response to Re: Re: you are completely wrong again !..., posted by DallasSteve on Jun 26, 2001

The Other Side of the argument was, His Mother brought him here to Escape, "HER IDEA" of repression or an intolerable life...which in this country we give quite a bit of credence and permission to the individual to decide for themselves...right or wrong...hence no real official thought police. And since She had custodial care of the child many felt HER wishes should have taken some precedence or at least have been considered. Nuff said about this on this forum for me.

And Almost 2-1 is nowhere close to malanders claims of everyone. 60-33%?? what happened to the other 7% ?

HD

[DallasSteve]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: you are completely wrong aga..., posted by Houndog on Jun 26, 2001

As in most surveys the respondents also had a "no opinion" choice and a few did not respond.  I believe those two categories made up 7%.

[Raptor]

... in response to Re: you are completely wrong again !!!, posted by Houndog on Jun 23, 2001

I'm with you too.

[Alberto]

... in response to I am NOT a supporter of Fidel Castro..., posted by Traveler on Jun 23, 2001

Yes,I have the privilege to go to Cuba, if I pay $150 for a cuban visa, wait 3 months to get it, get searched in Cuba and ask for money at the airport from $50 to $500. Also I agree that Elian belonged to his father, and it is the law and logic also, but Castro knew this and asked for the boy, just to alineate the cubans in Miami( they hate this guy)ha,ha,ha. Why Castro never asked for any other kid before? he only needed the kid for his political purposes and to show off. Tha cubans in Miami reacted to his trap and they got the bad rap(not very intelligent) but they are passionate exiles and hot minds do not think properly. If the american government give cubans the privilege to stay here ALL the time, is because we have few places to go and we are considered political persecutees, trust me I DO NOT wish to be here, I have no other recourse! But please remember, I'm also very grateful for the home I have in here, if not for the US. where would I be? in the ocean?. I would be considered a pirate and persecuted.  I have been in this boat and trust me,  you do not want to be in my shoes.

Regards

ALBERTO

[JUAN]

... in response to Re: I am NOT a supporter of Fidel Castro..., posted by Alberto on Jun 23, 2001

The reason Castro  made such a big deal  over the Elian situation was because the Cubans in Miami turned him into a symbol of EVERYTHING anti-Castro and put him in front of the TV cameras.

There was no reason for Elian to to be kept away from his father when he arrived in Miami, he was never proven to be an unfit parent and had he been the Miami Cubans would have buried him with the evidence, there was none.

The only reason I ever heard as to why Elian should be allowed to stay and be kept  a wayfrom his father was economic.

While I admire the Cuban people's resolve and willingness to do whatever it takes to get to this country I DO NOT admire or respect it when they risk their children's lives in shark infested waters to get here, Elian's  mom was made out to be a martyr, had she done what she did in this country she would have been locked up for endangering the welfare of a child.

[pack]

... in response to My 2 cents, posted by JUAN on Jun 24, 2001

Elian wasnt returned to his father...he was returned to castro and the communist system. his father had very little to do with it , he was only the puppet of castro doing and saying exactly what castro told him to do...dont you get it!

[Hamlet]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: I do not disagree....., posted by bret on Jun 23, 2001

Bret is correct, Fidel is popular with some/many of his own people.  

The United States Government has maintained an economic blocade/embargo against Cuba for more than 40 years.  The result has been great deprivation to the Cuban people who cannot use their natural trading partner for exchange of goods and services.  The goal is to make the people so miserable that they depose El Jefe.  But it hasn't worked, and some/many of the people stand behind Fidel.

Various acts of Congress, such as the Helms-Burton Act and the Toricelli Act make it illegal for US companies to do business in Cuba (no other country in the world has a law like this) and to ship goods there.  Most henious is the Cuban Adjustment Act, that guarantees citizenship to any Cuban who enters the US ILLEGALLY!  Think about that.  First we try to starve the Cuban people, and then when they get on a inner tube to get off the island, we tell them - via this law - that if they come here they can fully partipate in the land of milk and honey, no questions asked.  (We offer this to citizens of no other country, and no other country in the world offers this to other citizens.)  When they succumb to this carrot and stick approach and die trying, we blame it on Castro.

Could there be any more duplicitious and evil laws enacted by a country in an effort to undermine the goverment of another?  I am ashamed of my government.

[Bueller]

... in response to Castro villified wrongly, posted by Hamlet on Jun 23, 2001

The United States does not always do things right, nor does it even always do the right thing. But two things:
 It is wrong of you to have such a condemning attitude toward your government over a single particular act which you disagree with. There is simply too much good that the U.S. government stands for for such a stance to be justified.
  Only the United States has an economic embargo against Cuba, therefore if it were not for the disproven and in fact immoral economic policies of Cuba, they could be doing pretty well in spite of the embargo. Canada is not much further away from Cuba than the U.S., and they do not have an embargo against Cuba. Take a look at the economic turnaround going on in Ireland lately, and you can see that realistic, market-friendly policies within a country are what make virtually all the difference between poverty and prosperity.

[Pete E]

... in response to Castro villified wrongly, posted by Hamlet on Jun 23, 2001

I was just browsing the posts here without reading most but yours jumped out at me.
Can you immagine what Cuba might be like today if there was no Castro?I mean no Castro as in if his father rolled over and shot him on the wall 75 years ago?No communist government sending the country the opposite direction of economic reality.90 miles off of Florida?It could be an economic/vacation wonderland.Castro is an old fool who flushed his country down the toilet and he still doesn't get it.He is fighting conditions that no longer exist.I'm sure Cuba before Castro was less than perfect but working towards reform instead of heading the country towards bread line conditions would have worked much better.The idiocy of communism is that if you have something you must have taken it from me.They don't get it that prosperity is created by energy,ideas and yes,money.Government run states are totally incapabel of creating much.
Now with my attitude here you may be surprised that I agree with you that we should not have an economic blockade of Cuba.It has given them someone to blame for their problems.Communism is the real problem.It sunk Russia and it sunk Cuba too.I think normalizing relations with Cuba would let them see how economics works,and lose their excuse for why they are not making it work.Any US politician who proposes this can kiss off Florida because of the Cuban exiles it Florida.They are willing to have their country suffer to try to get rid of Castro.I think another big reason is some of them who had property there before think they will get it back if Castro is thrown out,but not if there is a slow transition to a capitalist system.Castro does still seem to be popular there, the idea that the US is their main problem and everybody working toward a better life by state control.It does have a simple minded appeal.Get rid of those nasty people who are trying to make a profit and there will be more for the common people.Wrong,there will be nothing for the common people.Centrally contrlled economies fail miserably and I would think even Castro could see that by now,but no,he is still fighting a situation that no longer exists.
As we move in to the 21st century the world would be much better off without some dinosaurs like Castro,and yes ,Helms.And a whole bunch of backward thinking leaders in China.Things will change,they,or their children,will eventually get it.The question is how long and how much suffering in the meantime.
Do we digress a little from our main subject here?Yah,but it was worth it.

Pete

[Pete E]

... in response to Re: Castro is an old fool who flushed hi..., posted by Pete E on Jun 24, 2001

Prosperity occurs much more quickly when people have a personal,not collective stake in the outcome.They work harder and make better economic decisions.And beauracracies make the worst decisions of all.
I once had a class where an idiot teaching assistant/graduate student likened the new frontier(creating a more abundant society)to the idea of the frontier,the settling of the west.Collective motivation wouldn't have got them accross the first river.
The other tragady is people lose their personal freedom to a system that is supposed to create a better life and has failed miserably,every time to do that.Its a huge personal tragedy that produces a negative result.And then try to get people back to the idea of being responsible for themselves.That could take decades.Look at Russia.Things progress much better when people are free to express and critisize.
We also need to get rid of "political correctness" in this country.Everything needs to be questioned and discussed.

Pete

[Raptor]

... in response to Castro villified wrongly, posted by Hamlet on Jun 23, 2001

Could there be any more duplicitious and evil laws enacted by a country in an effort to undermine the goverment of another? I am ashamed of my government. "

Then leave you fool,  Just American basshing will get you nothing.  I suggest you live in Cuba, learn to speak Spanish and then read some history.

Perhaps you can do more than parrot the left wing American hating stuff your communist brothers filled your head with.

You look the other way to the thousands of people murdered by Castro.

Death is too good for that punk Castro.

[bret]

... in response to Re: Castro villified wrongly, posted by Raptor on Jun 24, 2001

i don't know this hamlet guy, but i did read his post about the shame he is feeling. and the way i read it is he is not ashamed of his country, but of his country's foreign policy toward cuba.

the fact is that this country's 40+ year embargo against cuba IS an international embarassment, not to mention a total failure.

[pack]

... in response to Re: Re: Castro villified wrongly, posted by bret on Jun 24, 2001

oh yeah im so embarrassed that we wont deal with a murderer.

[Nico]

... in response to Re: Re: Castro villified wrongly, posted by bret on Jun 24, 2001

I agree the embargo is a 40yr embarrasment to the U.S.. We seem to be warming up to Vietnam much quicker than Cuba where thousands of our U.S. troops died.The embargo benefits neither the U.S. nor Cuba. Maybe if all adopted Hamlets attitude towards this situation we might finally be ready to move on.....