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[Patrick]

... in response to OK Frankie...., posted by LP on Aug 11, 2005

Church of Reality???  Oh my Reality!  You haven't been sucked into a cult have you?  If you hear anything about "joining Reality (do they capitalize reality?) on the tail of a commet" get the hell out of there.  You're the last person I would have expected to get sucked into a "mail order religion".  Is it the non-religiousness of the religion that appeals to you?  Do we need to send out a team to deprogram you?

I think it's time you had a kid.  Your profile says you've been married since 2000.  Is that true?  I might be tempted to join the Church Of Reality myself if it weren't for the fact that my two year-old daughter takes up pretty much all of my spare time.  Diapers, skinned knees, and reading the potty training story book keep me from contemplating "reality" too much.  I figure by the time she's out of the house alzheimers will most likely keep me from any further contemplation.

[Frank O]

... in response to You've got me worried LP, posted by Patrick on Aug 12, 2005

Sorry since I didn't read all of his diatribe on his post & simply skipped from the begining after I woke up having snoozed through it to the end. I must have missed that. O well I ain't going to read all of it so I'm ASSuming LP has gone off in the land of the cults? WHo knows he could probably start his own. There's always good $$ in religeon. As for 2 legged tumors or whatever it was he called them I woudln't mind having one of mind own soon. For now I"ll have to settle fro my ex's Doberman.

[LP]

... in response to You've got me worried LP, posted by Patrick on Aug 12, 2005

...Lol, now *that's* gotta be an interesting read. Never could get the hang of it myself. The pile of old clothes in the hallway has served me well for years so I see no need to change now.

I guess that Heaven's Gate thing still has you folks spooked down there eh? Fear not, I'm as solid as a rock...at least until the Mother Ship arrives.

I really oughta check out the stuff people send me before I use it but now that I've waded thru the Church Of Reality a lot of what the guy has too say makes sense. I was actually buying into some of it before I saw he's a redneck from West Virginia who came up with all that while on the wacky tabacky. Lol, talk about being a hypocrite. I still believe mainly as he does though: you have to deal with the way things are, anything else is a delusion.

Me married? You gotta be kidding. Has to be vicious rumor perpetrated by my enemies. A kid? No way, kids are for people who've never had them. I already have two from a marriage in a galaxy far, far away. In fact I'm a grandfather twice over. Besides, birthing another two-legged tumor now would severely cramp my style. My squeeze and the dog give me enough grief as it is. But she's a good dog, turns out she'll let anyone eat out of her bowl...no matter how drunk he is

[Patrick]

... in response to Potty training book?, posted by LP on Aug 13, 2005

Thank God (I mean Reality) you're not really into that religion.  "Two-legged tumor"  Are you telling me the thrill of parenthood wears off at some point?  Is it when they're still living with you in their 30s that it gets old?  I've got that covered.  I plan on being either dead or incapacited with Alzheimers by that time, so I'll either avoid it all together, or not relize it's happening.

[LP]

... in response to Re: Potty training book?, posted by Patrick on Aug 15, 2005

[This message has been edited by LP]

...Lol, I see you've stumbled onto one of my categories of MOB men you asked about earlier.

No, fraid not. It'll get unpleasant in about half that time. Your Princess Buttercup is still at the 'lil darling stage but they all go downhill at around 13. It's even worse with girls. But look on the bright side: She'll have learned to use the potty by then

Gets better once they leave the nest as long as they don't return or you end up having to deal with their divorces, financial or legal screwups, ect. If you're real unlucky you might even end up raising their kid(s). Then it's all downhill again as you become elderly and they begin circling over your assets like vultures. I dunno, sometimes I think I should've just gone out for a pack of smokes and never came back. Or harvested their organs for beer money and been done with it. Anyway, you have my sympathies well in advance

Pssst, hey Frank: Guess I was wrong, you do bruise easily. Relax. Btw, you come across as being nowhere near ready for primetime in the fatherhood department. I'll wager you're unaware of that too. Then again, maybe you should have a kid. You'll get to learn there are some things in life that can't be undone, can't be made to disappear, and must be paid for.

[Haroshij]

... in response to OK Frankie...., posted by LP on Aug 11, 2005

Ah well. It's your life Frank, not my place to tell you how to run it...but you'd better not come cryin' again.

I think you have no right to tell Frank not to come back and tell about another misery. This is the place for doing it, and as far as I remember a lot of guy thanked him for sharing with them. You are not obligated to get engaged in his life and problems, and his problems are not yours. In other words, Frank has the right to share with us his problems even if you don't like it.

However, I think many men seeking a foreign bride are unrealistic and believe they leave their problems behind them when they go to a foreign country. I, myself has adviced Frank to look for a woman in his own country. I don't think he took that advice seriously. I tried to enlist some of the problems with living with a foreign women, and there could be more to that list, but I got a feeling he wouldn't listen and is seduced by the beautiful ladies he can find in the catalogs and knowing they are within reach.

Frank has openly and somewhat naive told us about his failure. Most guys here have showed him their sympathy. Your letter is of a different nature. I think, if you really would like to do something good for Frank, you would have reveal a little more sympathy and understanding. I think you hurt him by your posts, and that was not necessary unless you wanted to demonstrate something for yourself.

[LP]

... in response to OK LP, posted by Haroshij on Aug 12, 2005

1) Of course I have no right to tell anybody what to do about anything. I'm sure most everyone understood what I meant by the comment. Regardess of what I (or anyone) says Frank will continue to do as he wishes. That he will likely continue to pay a price for doing so will be his burden to bear and is of no concern of mine.

2) This is a place for telling about such miseries as his? You've got to be kidding.

3) Along with others, I too offered sympathy for his situation. Was that not a violation of your "us not being obligated to engage in his life and problems" statement? Sorry, you can't have it both ways. And considering the background and cuase of his problem, exactly what was Frank "sharing" with us that had any real value? Any benefit gained in doing so was his, not ours.

4) Those who responded were few compared to the number of those here. I'll wager the vast majority of those who didn't respond felt quite differently about Frank and his problem. You're failing to consider them.

5) Hurt him? If Frank is a big boy he'll hardly be hurt by anything said on an internet board. And if he can be, he ought to consider that before posting intimate details of his life, especially blantant screw ups. I doubt he's anywhere near the marshmellow you're coming across as.

5) That Frank is naive is an gross understatement but that is the least of his problems.

6) That many MOB men are unrealisitc is another but you're either ignorant or ignoring why they're unrealistic. I am not and do not.

7) In case you haven't noticed, my posts are usually of a different nature. I don't think like most of these guys. That said, I've been in somewhat of a foul mood the last couple of days. I have good and bad periods, just like anyone else.

Streetwise: I was kidding. It's no secret here what I think about any form of religion or cult. My point was that MOB (speaking of cults) men adjust "reality" to meet their needs, ignoring the way things really are. Some adjust so much they're barely hanging on. Worse, many in MOB enter it just barely hanging on.

 

[Haroshij]

... in response to Re: OK LP, posted by LP on Aug 12, 2005

To point 2.
I'm not kidding. Why shouldn't this forum be a place to share experiences? Even bad ones?

Point 3.
His experiences can be a learning lessons to most of us if not to you.

Point 4. How can you elaborate that those who didn't reply have another opinion than those who replied. Do you know something the rest of us don't. It is more logic to assume that what was written is what most people thought.

Point 5. You're apparently right. He says himself he was not hurt. Still I sense a sensitive feeling in his reply. And you are stilling trying to run over him.

Point 6. it would be interesting to hear you elaborate this a little more.

Point 7. I've noticed your posts are different. However, I'm not sure if it is so because you are different or just pretend to be different from the rest of us. I would be interesting to hear more about that. In fact I've always found it interesting to listen to people who is thinking differently, and I always defend their right to do so and the value of it.

[Frank O]

... in response to OK LP, posted by Haroshij on Aug 12, 2005

just bored me. Honestly I couldn't even finish reading it man. Sorry LP. I"m a little tougher than that. Basically I don't CARE what people say or think. I DO listen to advise though & I have received much good advice. Once again I felt I MIGHT have helped someone out with my ordeal, which by the way I'm still smarting from. Kind of funny though how LP tried to insunuate my wife was NOT that attractive, she WAS she was just not "model" material. Far from a trophy wife. As for the "rocker" comment I could care less. Sex is not a problem believe me. PLuse I don't have to explain about my previous marriage (Of course it was HER FAULT) or whatever else. I think he's starting to believe he is the forum shrink & I'm plopping my feet on the couch. Anyways I'm bored & rambling. I have to get rid of this hangover.

[LP]

... in response to Thanks but he didn't hurt me, posted by Frank O on Aug 12, 2005


...As I said Frankie, I'm having a bad week. Still, you make an easy target.

"Honestly" you didn't finish reading the post? But the marriage and "her fault" comment was at the end? More self denial?

Shrinks? I'm not a fan of the profession as I've had to deal with them for career related issues but they've instilled in me an interest of human behavior, including my own. So lay back on the couch and continue to tell us all about how you perceive yours. It's fascinating stuff.

Hangover? I hope not as in ethanol. Little old for that kind of thing aren't you? Besides, I thought you guys prefered controlled substances?

I'm just pulling yer chain Frank, no harm intended. I'm off to work tonight so everyone gets a break from my whackiness for a week or so.

[Streetwise]

... in response to OK Frankie...., posted by LP on Aug 11, 2005

I hope you are kidding LP!!!

[TwoBitBandit]

... in response to OK Frankie...., posted by LP on Aug 11, 2005

I couldn't stop reading it until I reached the end...

[fathertime]

... in response to Ok now your just rambling buddy, posted by Frank O on Aug 11, 2005

Frankly Frank I do not see anything wrong with going for a MOB woman as long as you understand yourself and why you are doing it.  AW's have been nothing but good to me through the years although now at age 37 I do not have the time and willingness to go and meet woman on dates or whatever people do my age to meet woman.  I have also noticed that woman I find attractive do not have any interest in me. Be that as it may I go to Ukraine or Colombia and I am suddenly a rock star in the 80's again. I realize that it is ridiculous but it sure is nice.   My thought is I am almost always lovable if given a chance but the AW's I want will not give me that opportunity just as I won't give the ugly ones that like me the opportunity.  Another interesting note is I am as happy as I have ever been in my life. We will see if being married to a MOB brings me to even a higher plain of happeniness or knocks me into the dirt with misery.

Anyway I am curious why exactly do you want a MOB instead of an AW? Soulds like you do pretty well for yourself with the AW woman whereas I do not?  If I had good AW options I would probably forget all about MOB.  
Thank you
Fathertime

[LP]

... in response to I can ramble too, posted by fathertime on Aug 11, 2005

...My thought is I am almost always lovable if given a chance but the AW's I want will not give me that opportunity just as I won't give the ugly ones that like me the opportunity...

Kinda makes you a hypocrite don't it? No wonder don't you have "good options" with AW. You base the quality and selection of a mate on looks. Meanwhile you confess you're not up to their standards in that department but are lovable if given the chance. So you refuse to accept from AW the same strength you offer as one of your best qualities? Yep, you're classic MOB material alright.

Lol, you continue to be one of the shallowest guys I've ever seen grace this place but I gotta give you credit: At least you're self-aware and not living a delusion, you freely admit to being one of the messed up that mostly inhabit MOB. That's pretty rare in this biz so there may be hope for you yet. Then again, a guy who says he has no time and willingness to seek a mate at home but has the time and willingness to do so abroad implies a few cracks in the shell, so I'm not sure what to think

Oh and yeah, at 37 you're ready for the grave. Boo-hoo, yer breakin' my heart. I'd kill to be where you are...

[fathertime]

... in response to Re: I can ramble too, posted by LP on Aug 11, 2005


I suppose I could be annoyed with your post but I actually I find it offbase, irrelevent, and a little bit sad.  
Yes I am a hypocrite I suppose. I do base my selection on physical appearance insofar as being initally interested in a woman. Explain to me what is the problem with this? After all physical attraction is part one of falling in love. My basis for being attractive is not all that stringent really, but if I do not find her where I am then I will do what it takes to bring her to me.  Is'nt that why most of us are really doing this?   As far as being messed up, I have to disagree with you in that respect and find that disrespectful and irresponsible to toss a label like that so indiscriminately. I behave well generally and those around me feel pretty good about me from what I can gather, so what do you base the "messed up part on"?  What I do have is a very stong adversion to meeting woman that I mutually click with.  I am just too damn quirky and extreme for my own good but that must have its perks or I would not be that way. Labeling me as "Shallow" is rather shallow on your part since it should take more than a few posts to determine that of a person.

I would like to hear more from you because thus far I am not finding anything useful that I did not already know from your post about me but perhaps the next one will give me an insight that will inspire a change in my attitude.  

BTW I am not upset about being 37 there is no need for crocodile tears on this subject.

Thank you for your interest
Fathertime