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Author Topic: More insights into what went wrong  (Read 10882 times)
John LV
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« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: More insights into what went wrong, posted by Jeff S on Nov 30, 2002

Yes, there were signs when I went to Prague to meet with Natasha, but my love for her blinded me to those. I guess I was fairly desperate at the time, and wanted a wife so much.

When she picked me up from the Airport, I looked at her body and said, "wow", very nice. She looked good, I remember the day very well.

We took a taxi back to her apartment, everything seemed fine until we went into her room, she laid down on her bed to relax, and I immediately noticed that there were about 10 fly's flying in circles around her room, and she just laid there acting as if this were no big deal whatsoever, I immediately was very turned off by this, since I cannot stand fly's and will chase them down to no end until none exist in my house, I cannot tolerate fly's in my home. But to her, it was no big deal whatsoever, that did not sit well with me.

Second, she got very angry with me for putting my suitcase on the couch, I thought this was very bizarre, so I asked, where should I put it? She informed me that the floor would be ok.

Do you see a dichotomy there? She is so concerned about cleanliness of couches and my dirty suitcase, but flies are no big deal?

Looking back on it, I can see to her it was simply a matter of respect, and not cleanliness, because I can assure you this girl is anything but a clean person.

Additionally, she would take many things that I would say offensively, as if I had meant to insult her, I was constantly trying to explain myself, I thought it was simply the language barrier, but now I believe different since she still does the same thing all the time.

We got into a big fight while I was there, and she showed herself to be very selfish, thinking of herself all the time, but again I chose to look the other way, I chose to only see the good, the potential, I chose to see only what I wanted to see, not the cold hard reality.

Yes I believe I will be much wiser after all this, better able to discern next time a girl who would be right for me, and who I might be right for.

Yes there were many signs, and to a more experienced man, he would have picked up on them, I guess I just wanted to live the fantasy, I guess I just didn't want all those months of long conversations on the phone, and thousands of dollars to be wasted by a few fly's, a few bad arguments, and a little selfish behavior.

Boy life is hard, I wish I could go back to being a kid again, if only I had known how hard life would be.

But then again, I was pretty happy for awhile, and I did learn a lot from all of this, I only hope things will start to get better for me, I only hope I can pick up the pieces successfully and live to see a better day.

If I ever go over again, it will be to meet 5-10 girls, and try to get to know them first in person, not over the phone, I know the type of girl I like, and hopefully I could pick her out if I could ever find her.

I guess I can try?

So yes, I have nobody to blame but myself, next time I won't be so naïve, and maybe that is half the battle.

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Globetrotter
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« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: More insights into what went wro..., posted by John LV on Nov 30, 2002

Good for you...that's the attitude.  And the offer is still good.  

I have known my squeeze for 2 years, and met her 3 times, and now have 4 inches of emails.  We are friends, lovers, write every day, her English has improved remarkably, and I still say "Whoh, Boy."  I think I can still be taken, although I don't think so.  You are smarter now than before, and won't make the same mistake again.  

Learn, think, do.  Do some homework, read books other than those you normally read (Mars/Venus by John Grey) and you will probably be fine...well, see someone to discuss thoughts, feelings, fears as well.

It's a Great Life, If You Don't Weaken!!!

Good Luck.

Good Luck

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RW
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« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to More insights into what went wrong, posted by John LV on Nov 30, 2002

David,

sorry to hear things did not work out. I hope that you would treat the experience as a learning experience and figure out not only what went wrong, but also why it went wrong.

I hope many guys who read the board will learn a lot too. I read through your list of "rules", but most of them focus on the "selection" process, not your own behavior...?? Couple questions which come to my mind EACH time I read horror stories:
- why did you have to spend thousands of money while she was in her country, after she came over, on her car, dentist, shopping, etc? Life is not coming to the end tomorrow and the successful couples I know spend decades of their life time together acquiring those things TOGETHER. Especially if you are both young people like in your case, you have you life time ahead to do all that. May be some of the guys are trying to compensate something with the money??
- why do you think RWs are any different than any other women? If you think that all russian women can cook, clean and take care of the house - I bet 200% the woman you find will turn totally the opposite just to prove you wrong. Life sometimes can be cruel and sarcastic just to prove us totally wrong on the things we never dared to take different opinion on.
- why do you think you have to babysit grown up woman? Yes, it is a new country and different language, different customs and even sports Smiley But it is HER responsibility as well to become independant and learn new thing. There should be her effort in trying to understand new things and be flexible. And to what extent do you allow somebody to walk over you and treat you bad?
- why do you never expect anything back in return? attention, care, love, respect just to name few. In any investment you expect to see some dividend, when it does bad you cut your losses and move on. The question is how long are you willing to watch it go bad before it hits the bottom? Or how you know there is a bottom?

There are many other things which puzzle me. For some reason many men and women think that the marriage would be the solution to all their problems in life. But, somehow it just manages to bring us in the situations where our own problems become only more obvious. The biggest lesson is how you deal with them.

Good luck to you.

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Travis
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« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to all the bad stories, posted by RW on Nov 30, 2002

Good post! Thank you.
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Stan B
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« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to More insights into what went wrong, posted by John LV on Nov 30, 2002

and good luck in the future. And your 10 point list is a pretty good guide line for those still searching.
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Globetrotter
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« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to More insights into what went wrong, posted by John LV on Nov 30, 2002

David,

Please read my "Agreed" down the page, which was directed at you.  Good Luck.

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Watcher
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« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to More insights into what went wrong, posted by John LV on Nov 30, 2002

I am more of a lurker than one to comment...BUT...It seems that you just picked the wrong girl. Seems that the best choice would be to learn from this experience and move on.
This itis not going to work with this girl. Just be happy that she does not want to stay to mahe your life unhappy. There are plenty of other women in the CIS and beyond!
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