Back from St. Petersburg

[Jack]

... in response to Really? Maybe you can help me then..., posted by MarkInTx on Oct 10, 2002

I was commenting on my recent inability to find a GOOD Ukraine woman for my customers.  Are those small enough words, and slow enough for you to understand?

[robobond]

... in response to yea, yea, that's it,..., posted by Jack on Oct 10, 2002

children, children, children...

please drop the food fight under my original post.

if you have to play a few more rounds of "nana nana nana", start a new thread, ok?

jeeeeez

[BarryM]

... in response to agreed Bob!, posted by Jack on Oct 10, 2002

nt

[MarkInTx]

... in response to Re: Back from St. Petersburg, posted by robobond on Oct 10, 2002

I didn't read it that way at all...

[robobond]

... in response to That's a bit harsh... don't you think?  , posted by MarkInTx on Oct 10, 2002

MarkInTx,

Ordinarily I read, enjoy, & agree with your posts and I respect your opinions and sense of humor.  So I cannot make sense of your buying into and defending JR's self-wanking saga of his exploits in Eastern Europe as a legitimate travel report.  BUT, I respect your right to have your own opinion....... kind of!

Bob

[thesearch]

... in response to That's a bit harsh... don't you think?  , posted by MarkInTx on Oct 10, 2002

[This message has been edited by thesearch]

Mark,

I would guess that what bothered some individuals was the part of his post that I have copied below.

Me, I did not react one way or the other as, for myself, there was not enough information to come to any conclusion as to what he was really saying --- however, there were strong insinuations for certain.

"Every single lady that I had romance with mentioned that the Russian guys never took the care that I did to ensure that the experience was highly pleasureable for them."

He obviously likes to sample the fruit -- -perhaps whether he is interested in the woman as a potential wife or not.

Now, if these ladies consent, then that is between two people. As long as he did not lie to them to coax them into sexual contact, there is no judgement to be made just observation that such things do occur.

Also, I think that some guys simply do not like to think that some guy just wanting to get laid has tasted the fruit of their woman when they themselves acted in a way that they would describe as being totally proper what ever that might be. It is like men are playing with different rules and the men who are more restrained can view the women as being used.

Now, if these ladies consent, then that is between two people. As long as he did not lie to them to coax them into sexual contact, there is no judgement to be made just observation that such things do occur.

Now, we have heard that if a woman from the FSU accepts a dinner date from a man in her country, sex sometimes is considered part of the package and thus going out to diner with someone is more of a commitment there then here in the USA.

So, I am sure that some of these ladies might, just might, feel that they have to put out if approached if the guy traveled half way around the world to meet them. Of course, this would be more the case if she thinks she is the only woman he came over to see.

We have also heard that the women from the FSU are generous with their sex. Perhaps some guys do not like that even though some that might say this are just as active sexually but apply a double standard.

His comment about all the woman being highly "pleasurized" by him sounds like he is bragging. What he may have meant to say is that they were very pleased that he was concerned about them and their pleasure. If so, he clearly did not word it well.

[robobond]

... in response to /, posted by thesearch on Oct 10, 2002

thesearch, you sure went around the planet on this post!  I'll be more blunt and to the point -- JR seems to be his own best fan.

[thesearch]

... in response to Re: /, posted by robobond on Oct 10, 2002

you sure went around the planet on this post!

LOL that is a very good description of that post

[LP]

... in response to /, posted by thesearch on Oct 10, 2002

.....Coherent. You know Doc, I have to compliment you on the clarity of thought that is showing up in your stuff of late. Although it's always been there, you are definately on a roll.

[thesearch]

... in response to As Barry would say...., posted by LP on Oct 10, 2002

Hi LP,

Thanks for the compliment, however I noticed a redundancy of a repeated phrase and used the edit function for the first time.

[MarkInTx]

... in response to /, posted by thesearch on Oct 10, 2002

Clearly he was active with women, I agree with you there.

As you say, since we don't know the circumstances, we can't judge if he was using them for a sex quickie, or if it was something else.

Also, we don't know what his values (and theirs) are with regards to sex.

Personally, I wouldn't go to Russia and have sex with several women. But, I'm not going to judge him, since -- as you so rightly point out -- we don't know what really happened.

But at least he isn't giving out names and web site addresses of his "conquests" like some others on here have done...

As for his comment about the women being amazed by the pleasure he wrought... it seemed more to me a comment on the societal differences. I thought he was more saying that Russian Men don't care about their partner's pleasure than he was saying that he was some gifted stud.

From my, admittedly limited, experience with some Russian (and Ukrainian) women, I have heard this before. Meaning that I have heard women say that the Russian Men, as a rule, don't care about their partner's pleasure very much.

(I am sure Amerikana will disagree here -smile- )

But it IS a stereotype that I have heard, and read. And I think that his mentioning it is proper fodder for this forum. I am sure that a lot of guys going over are wondering what the woman's expectations are, as well as what their expectations should be.

I haven't really tracked all of JR's posts. Maybe he is just a horn-dog who wants to get laid.... But from reading this one post, I didn't think that he was trying to brag...

Just one man's opinion...

[thesearch]

... in response to Perhaps..., posted by MarkInTx on Oct 10, 2002

So what is your take on whether he will attempt to clarify or not?  My call is it will be minimal at best - what is your call?

[MarkInTx]

... in response to /, posted by thesearch on Oct 10, 2002

Hard to say...

I won't take the bet though, unless you give me odds this time.

I still can't believe I lost that one on Rhonda...

[thesearch]

... in response to Re: /, posted by MarkInTx on Oct 10, 2002

Not gonna give you odds I am afraid and now that it has been some time, I am not really sure the truth really hit about Rhonda. There is something there that we do not know my bones tell me. So, even if you had won by the superficial criteria, it may have not been a valid win. But heck, what is new, in the courts some guilty get off as innocent and some that are innocent get incarcerated.

[MarkInTx]

... in response to /, posted by thesearch on Oct 11, 2002

No... actually... that WAS Rhonda. (You would have won the bet... because I was sure she was just some troll...)

She got the board information from Mark H while they were still "dating". He admitted it to me off-line.

Amazing...

Why anyone would tell an AW about this board is beyond me... her response to it is bound to be very predictable...