Fished out?///?/?/??//?

[Mark H]

I've seen, in many posts prior to BarryM, the term "fished out" used extensively. Give me a break. How can you "fish out" a city of 3 million people? In my opinion it can only get better. How you say? Girls are marrying guys over here and moving here. The girls are writing back home how good they have it or how wonderful their marriage is. This, in my opinion, will only inspire others to follow in their footsteps.

I'm originally from San Antonio, Texas. We have over 3 million in the metro area, the 8th largest city in the country (how many of you knew that?). Also, that doesn't count our wetback population, which would probably shove us to #7, who knows. The point is, I couldn't imagine my hometown being "fished out" by anything or anyone. Give me a break.

I think St. Pete's and Moscow are untapped resources cuz guys keep dodging them saying "hey, I need a small town, rural, off the beaten path chick". Whatever, I think WMGONNABESUCCESSFUL will have a ball in a couple of weeks in St. Pete. NO ONE IS FISHING THE HOLE?

Mark H.

[tim360z]

... in response to Fished out?///?/?/??//?, posted by Mark H on Aug 12, 2002

.....fished out???  I don't know about that for the big cities.  Firstly there is the monthly influx of girls from smaller towns who move there for the much higher pay rate.  One friend of mine recently moved to St Pete from a smaller town primarily because she could make alot more money,  like $60 per month vs $600 per month.  She will also become very accustomed to all the convenieces and cultural advantages St Pete has to offer.  She tells me she has met many girls who have recently moved there from smaller towns....so maybe the pond is growing.

[thesearch]

... in response to Fished out?///?/?/??//?, posted by Mark H on Aug 12, 2002

Mark: "Girls are marrying guys over here and moving here. The girls are writing back home how good they have it or how wonderful their marriage is. This, in my opinion, will only inspire others to follow in their footsteps"

Mark, the only guys I have come in contact with are at this site. This is only a very small percentage of the men that are going to the FSU to find a wife. Yes we hear of happy marriages here but, that is here. Guys like LP say that this here is not representative of the real world of AM/FSU marriages.

So, you are assuming that these women as a group are happy with the American men they marry and that is what all these FSU women are hearing??? Maybe, but I really can not say. How many are not happy and what do they say?

I think that we are going to get different reports but even so, the question is are the favorable reports more frequent than the less favorable?

One FSU lady told me that her friends as a rule  have the opinion that fat old American men come over thinking they can take advantage or their situation and  marry a woman out of his class. She said that her close friends would never allow that to happen but they know of many girls who will go along with the program long enough to get the green card. These women feel the guy deserves to be taken for trying to take advantage of them. Now, is her observation common? I do not know this either. This lady did gave me strong warning about this process. I am not putting this process down. It is just that I am not sure that your assumption is correct about how we are viewed. The areas less traveled by foreign men might have women with different attitudes then those from more traveled areas as is mentioned by Oscar below.

[Zink]

... in response to One snafoo possibly, posted by thesearch on Aug 13, 2002

Your post brought to mind the first other man that I met who went to Russia for a woman. He was going to Volgograd when I did. I never talked with him but I knew he was American because he announced it to the flight attendant on the plane. I would guess he was in his mid fifties. He was short, balding and stout. He was wearing a powder blue tuxedo with a white ruffled shirt and carrying a huge bouquet of flowers.

When we landed in Volgograd I met my girlfriend and her sister and were waiting for them to unlock the building where our luggage was dumped. The man in blue had a large entourage with him then. An interpretor, agency representative and photographer. The lady he met was almost my height(about 6'), much taller than him and stunningly beautiful. He was happier than anything. He kept trying to hug the girl and pull her close for the pictures. The girl had a distant look on her face and kept edging away.

I felt very sorry for him. My girlfriend just laughed and said,"that is the kind of Americans we meet at the agency". I don't know if what she said was true but she believed it. I've only met a couple of other people involved in this pursuit. WmGo is one. We only met for a few minutes. But he and the other guys I know don't fit the "loser" sterotype but the poor guy in Volgograd did. So what really is the "typical" mob seeker? I don't know. And to be honest should we even worry about it?

[Jack]

... in response to Re: One snafoo possibly, posted by Zink on Aug 14, 2002

Zink,

 Guys have to be honest with themselves. Guys have to be realistic with themselves.

 I firmly believe in the two point system. Be honest with yourself and give yourself a grade from 1 to 10. If you are a 6, then you can seek an 8 in a Russian woman. If you grade yourself an 8 or higher, then go for that 10. But if you are a 5 and you are going after a 9 or a 10, you are probably the type guy that most of these Russian women laugh about, such as the guy in the powder blue tux.

[thesearch]

... in response to Re: Re: One snafoo possibly, posted by Jack on Aug 14, 2002

I know that I am a ten but everyone else thinks I am a two!

----what should I do?  I guess the answer might be for me to find a  lady who guys think is a 10 however she has the impression she is a two?

[Jack]

... in response to But Jack,, posted by thesearch on Aug 14, 2002

Greg, really, just be honest with yourself, if you think you are a 10, then of course go for the 10!

In my opinion, as I have seen your photos and you are in good shape, I would think you will fall into at least an 8 catagory, so of course you can shoot for a 10, BUT it is your opinion that counts.

[KenC]

... in response to Fished out?///?/?/??//?, posted by Mark H on Aug 12, 2002

Mark,
Don't let any of the yahoos here tell you what to do.  Do it YOUR WAY.  The way that is comfortable FOR YOU.  Fished out?  Uh huh, sure.  What guys are REALLY saying is that the women are not as dumb as the one's found in the sticks.  Now if you are man enough, go for it.  Others do not have the self confidence to seek women in a competitive market and HAVE TO go to the hinterlands.  BTW, I for one do not measure "success" by if you are married yet after multiple trips.  The "right" decision could have been to pass on the gals you met (as you did).  As I have said many times before, ANYONE can get married.  The key is to marry the RIGHT person.  One trip or ten trips, so what?  SPEED is not the issue, HAPPINESS is.  For those who cannot afford to make the number of trips that is necessary TO FIND THE RIGHT WOMAN, stay home.
KenC

[Mark H]

... in response to matter of confidence/competition, posted by KenC on Aug 13, 2002

Hey ken,
I think you have hit the nail on the head. I do have the confidence and wouldn't hesistate one second making another trip to Kiev, St. pete or Moscow to look for a partner. I think WMGONNAGOANDSHOWUS will have a ball in a couple of weeks!

Cheers,
Mark H.

[KenC]

... in response to Re: matter of confidence/competition, posted by Mark H on Aug 13, 2002

Mark,
When I was in contact with Lifetime Partners, they warned me about how difficult Lena was.  They said she was a great woman: beautiful, classy, smart and personality plus,  but unobtainable.  She wasn't just gonna marry any guy.  I laughed at the guy from LTP and told him, "First of all, I aint any guy.  Secondly, who said I wanted to marry her?  I just want to meet her and get to know her."  (Our third anniversary is tomorrow)
KenC

[Mark H]

... in response to Re: Re: matter of confidence/competition, posted by KenC on Aug 13, 2002

Ken,
Congrats. I'm still trying to get over the last photo of Lena you sent me. You sure hit the jack pot, the complete package. I guess that's why I haven't settled yet...I see and hear of your complete package and I keep looking...not gonna settle regardless of any posters on this dump or anywhere else. I love your attitude, the one you had about meeting Lena in the first place. Very cocky, much like mine. I KNOW I will be successful regardless, whether it's an AW or  RW. I KNOW it. I don't sweat it, I don't worry about it. It's all taken care of, just got to find her.

Later and I'll toast a cold one at the party I'm going to right now....for your next 3 years, and the 3 after that, and the 3 after that......get my drift?

Mark H.

[tim360z]

... in response to Re: Re: matter of confidence/competition, posted by KenC on Aug 13, 2002

I thank you for your many posts which have provided me with a balanced view to all this.  Best wishes,  Tim

[MarkInTx]

... in response to Re: Re: matter of confidence/competition, posted by KenC on Aug 13, 2002

Congrats to you both.

BTW, Lena hasn't passed on any of her "unobtainable nature" to Victoria when they emailed... has she? ;-)

[KenC]

... in response to Happy Anniversary, posted by MarkInTx on Aug 13, 2002

Mark,
Thanks.  You may have misunderstood what I meant in my previous post.  Lena was always nice to all the men she met (American & Russian).  She was never a snob.  Guys kind of freak out because she acts like a "normal" woman instead of some unapproachable model type.  Her attitude toward men in general is quite unique for America.  Her "nature" was not unobtainable.  LTP was just warning me not to get my hopes up because many before me had tried and failed.  She usually turned the guys into friends and helped them find another "good Russian woman".  She still trades an occasional email with Americans she had met.  I have never met a woman so good at letting guys down easy.
KenC

[MarkInTx]

... in response to Fished out?///?/?/??//?, posted by Mark H on Aug 12, 2002


A salesman gets sent to a region in Africa to sell wares. Unfortunately, his company sells shoes.

After three weeks, he wires his company:

"Please send plane ticket to get me home immediately. This place is horrible. No one wears shoes here!"

Years pass.

One day a young aggressive salesman is trying to get his own "patch" and to shut the kid up, and teach him a lesson, his VP sends him off to this area in Africa.

Three weeks later, the company gets this cable:

"Please send more shoes immediately. This place is incredible! No competition!"