Another Child Question

[Dan]

... in response to You want to turn this board into a perso..., posted by Oscar on Jun 13, 2002

Let me assure you that I *will* respond to any of your posts - and those of anyone else - that perpetuates misinformation.

Simple as that. Want to avoid the response - post only valid information.

- Dan

[Oscar]

... in response to Quite a Perspective, That, Oscar . . ., posted by Dan on Jun 13, 2002

Where do you get off deciding what information is or is not acceptable Dan?  I have not heard you offer ONE thing in evidence to the contrary of what I have been saying on this topic!  NOT ONE!

I have used THREE sources for mine.. I'm sorry if you feel that the Doc Steen and other websites are BS.. they have been helpful to a lot of people here and are REFERRED to all the time!  I guess the passport office in Ukraine is full of it too, and the guys who have said this is correct and brought children here, all BS right??  uh, huh...  

So again,

GET OVER YOURSELF, and that ridiculous ego of yours!

[Jack]

... in response to So info is only "valid" if it ..., posted by Oscar on Jun 13, 2002

1963 Chevy, 327 automatic. Runs like a sweetheart. One owner, some old lady from Pasadena. $2500. With red dice hanging from mirror, $2695.

[Dan]

... in response to So info is only "valid" if it ..., posted by Oscar on Jun 13, 2002

I wasn't the one claiming to know it all - YOU were.

And I've never claimed that Doc Steen's website are BS - where'd you get that?!?

In point of fact, if you followed any of my past posts, you'd see that I lavishly praise several websites and often refer others to them for information.

Sheez - you really have a vivid imagination Ste.. (Oops) Oscar.

- Dan

[Jack]

... in response to That's Known As "Projecting" S..., posted by Dan on Jun 13, 2002

Dan, watch OUT!!! I hear there is a fire headed towards you. Quick, get off the computer, quit typing, get the wife, the dog, son's favorite tennis racket and leave your house now!  Hurry, you don't have time to argue, hurry and leave now!

[Oscar]

... in response to That's Known As "Projecting" S..., posted by Dan on Jun 13, 2002

in either Russia or Ukraine anymore".  If you like his site so much, what is your problem??  His is not the only web site that says this either..  I didn't just "say" these things were on these sites in my posts, I posted the comment from them and the link!  I think that is fairly responsible..

Not to mention what other men have told me who have DONE it and what my girl found out at the passport office THERE..

[Dan]

... in response to Well Dan, Steen's says "No letter n..., posted by Oscar on Jun 13, 2002

And if you want to see the counter-argument, I suggest you spend a little time reviewing the messages over at the St Johns List. There are plenty of horror stories.

Or maybe over at the RW Abroad forum - though you'd need to read Cyrillic to follow the discussions there.

Or even over at Brama.

But this is pointless.

Common sense should tell you that your argument is inaccurate.

There is no legal system in the world that will deny parental rights. Common sense should tell you that.

Yes, there are MANY people that have dealt with the issue of children acompanying their fiances/wives - and many have had to resort to some pretty radical measures to get the children here. Any suggestion to the contrary is just flat wrong.

- Dan

[Oscar]

... in response to It's Actually Alvena's Site - But You'd ..., posted by Dan on Jun 13, 2002

it's just sad that it has to turn into the personal attacks but whatever...  When I am personally attacked, I typically respond in kind..  Like I said before, I was fine with your first two posts on this tonight, but then you had to go get personal, like Ken has felt the need to do..

Now, did you ever read anything I said saying that an ex-husband could not cause problems if he really wanted to?  If you will look back, I said just that, that if a man really wanted to cause problems, he could.  I said it could be as simple as bribing a judge or the police etc..  Don't you recall my having posted that? I did.  And nowhere did I get into the "moral" obligations or isses of this.
What I HAVE said and still DO say, is that "it is no longer REQUIRED" to have a letter of permission from an ex as long as the woman has full custody of her child LEGALLY and has the child in her passport.  This is all I have said again and again.  If you or anyone else has made it more than this, in fairness, you might want to review the posts!

My fiancee is meeting with her ex on Monday to get a notarized permission letter from him.  He rarely sees his son (maybe once in 6 months, same city) and was/is a miserable Father.  The son asks about me every day and almost never mentions his biol Father to his Mother, whom he has always been free to see.  I had told her that it would be nice to have a letter, (not that this letter could not STILL be challenged if he wanted to do so later) but I also told her that if it was a problem or he gave her a hard time, to just forget it.  If she were not to get the letter, I would really be fine with it.  The LETTER is not perfect insurance of any kind, as money often ends up speaking the loudest in these places!  

So please think about what I have said because I feel you have skewed a lot of it.

[Dan]

... in response to Dan, I really don't have a problem debat..., posted by Oscar on Jun 14, 2002

n/t

[Del]

... in response to Re: Another Child Question, posted by Oscar on Jun 12, 2002

by the Canadian Embassy. They said that legally (in Ukraine), permission IS required, the same as is required in Canada.
It may be that the USA does not require permissions, but that is a different matter.

[Oscar]

... in response to I was told differently....., posted by Del on Jun 12, 2002

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[Del]

... in response to Del, it's Canada, not Ukraine that deman..., posted by Oscar on Jun 12, 2002

the United States of American was a signatory to the Hauge Convention.

Look at: http://travel.state.gov/children's_issues.html

From the way I read this a non-custodial parent in Ukraine could create a lot of havoc if they wished were the offspring removed without their permission. This is my take and in keeping with what the First Secretary told me at the Canadian Embassy in Kiev a month ago. Is the risk worth it? That is for you to decide.

[Oscar]

... in response to Oscar, the last time I looked..., posted by Del on Jun 12, 2002

This is copied, again, from the Doc Steen site..  I'm not going to keep hammering this with you anymore..

"Another frequently asked question: Does the female fiance in Russia (FSU) or Ukraine have to have a statement from the father that the child is allowed to immigrate?

Answer: No, this is no longer necessary, as long as the fiance (mother) of the child has total custody of the child. (Please be aware, however, that in OTHER countries this may not be true. Canada, for instance, DOES require a statement from the father that the child can immigrate.)"

[Oscar]

... in response to Here is the info copied for you AGAIN ab..., posted by Oscar on Jun 12, 2002

This is the quote and her is the link-

"Permission - it is not necessary to get a permission slip from the other parent, if the child intends to immigrate.  This is a common myth.  It may have been true in the past, but is no longer required by most US Embassies (including Warsaw and Moscow).  Certainly, you can include such a permission notice if you feel comfortable doing so and the permission notice could be helpful in the US for potential legal reasons (although probably rarely if ever)."

Here is the link-

http://warsaw-visaguide.hypermart.net/