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Jack
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« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to you really want the rest of the story......, posted by Mark H on Jan 12, 2002

Well Mark, the good news is that ole Jack won't be gouging you anymore?

To rebute your last claims in the order in which you made them,...beautiful apartments, yes we have many, and they are priced from $50 to $60. When you said you can only spend $40 a night Mark, we can't put you in one of these flats, sorry.......  Many girls, we had a LOT of girls for you Mark! Where were you spending all your time Mark? In Dnepropetrovsk! Where were all the girls for you Mark? In Dnepropetrovsk!....Your spending two days in Kiev Mark, gee, I'm sorry the 7 or 8 ladies you saw in Kiev were not enough girls!....Galina working her tail off? Mark, in all those e-mails that you kept, I'm sure you will see the one where I tell you Galina is amazed at all the ladies she has interested in meeting you. It is the same e-mail where Galina commented on if this was how many ladies who were interested in you with just the ladies she was showing your photo and profile to, she could only imagine the response you would get by running an ad for a week. Do you see that e-mail Mark? Anyone who knows Galina will vouch for the type of worker she is. She busted her ass for you, she would have anyway but when I asked for her and Rostick to try even harder, and they did, well this was the straw that broke the camal's back as far as me wanting to try to do any further work for you. How dare you question how hard Galina worked for you, you will never know how hard she worked for you because you did not follow through with the plans that you had told us you wanted. All our efforts were foccused in Dnepropetrovsk, and you knew this. There were a LOT of ladies hoping to meet you in Dnepropetrovsk because Galina did work her ass off for you.

Hey Mark, you are right about you asking me about the ladies lined up to meet you in Dnepropetrovsk and me replying don't worry about it. WHY do you think I was telling you not to worru about it? Because there were so many for you to choose from you FOOL!

Mark I told you about an agency in Dnepropetrovsk where we could escort you to but that Galina could not go in with you because she was a formable competitor and they would not want her inside there office. But Galina would wait outside for you while you went inside.

We put together a very good trip for you based on the time you had before the trip, not a piss poor as you claim. You told me you did NOT want to stay in Kiev and to arrange for you to meet MANY ladies in Dneopropetovsk, which we did. How can you say that the trip was piss poor, we delivered Mark, you didn't!

The night you were to leave for Dnepropetrovsk Galina was told you were not coming That's notifying her with plenty of time Mark? For you it is probably is.

As far as the flat that you commited to renting in Dnepropetrovsk in which we left the flat owners with an un-occupied flat during the holiday season and you say that is another story. I am curious, what would that other story be?

You had rented a flat in Kiev for only two days because you were then heading to Dnepropetrovsk, remember, after your second day it was rented to someone else, so ofcourse you had to leave! It is good thing you had a friend in Kiev to call, (thank you Jack for running that free ad for me). I am sorry you felt like you were lied to about this flat Mark. I guess the couple in Dnepropetrovsk who thought they were renting there flat out to you also felt like they were lied to!

Mark, you were told in advance, please check all your e-mails, you were told that the price for flats increase on December 30, 31 and January 1 as many people coming from out of town rent flats during the celebration. Can you find those e-mails that tell you that Mark?  So why did it come as a surprise to you when I told you a month in advance that the price for flats cost more on the 30, 31 and 1st. It's in the e-mails Mark, I guess you must have forgot! I appreciate you trying to keep our business civil and I am sure it was just an oversight on your part that I had told you about the price increase at this time. I think you using the term gouged is because you are trying to paint your whole experience in a different light now. You were told the flats cost more at this time Mark. I don't call it gouging Mark. It has been this way for a long time and you were notified about the price increase.

Regarding Tamara's agency, well your a very choosey man Mark, as all men are different, if there were only two or three ladies (yesterday I thought it was six) that interested you there is nothing I can say or do about that. I guess if your original plans were to stay in Kiev we would have tried to get you more ladies from Kiev, but we were doing as you instructed us and that you did not want to spend in time in Kiev!

Mark, have you got the original letter you sent to Milena? Good, read it. Do you tell her your age? Nope! Do you tell her what you do for a living? Nope! As I told you, she told Rostick she knew nothing about you and didn't feel comfortable meeting with you, these were her own words and please feel free to ask Rostick if you wish.

As for severing our ties, you say they were severed before you received my e-mail to you indicating I could no longer work with you but in your previous e-mail you write me how wonderful things are, how thankful you are and you had met some wonderful ladies. Funny how you wrote that e-mail of great satisfaction but now you are saying you had really severed your relationship with Firstdream prior to you sending that e-mail?? Hummm Mark, I think I don't agree with that. I think they were severed after you got my e-mail, not before. But hey, you still have the e-mail right, go back and read it!

You write "Trust me, write to ANY company/agency on the net and they will accomadate your wishes". Well Mark, I told you this before, I am not like any other agency. Please look at the rules posted on my Group Tours, you will see one rule that is posted so that I don't have to deal with guys who did what you did. If you sign up for one of my group tours and you make a committment to see ladies in both cities, I expect you to do so. If you cannot honor this rule, don't sign up with my company. Read it for yourself Mark, it's in black and white. I am sure no other agency/company will put such in writing, maybe it's not a big deal to them, but it is to me.

I only want to deal with sincere men. I have enough business that I can elect to only deal with sincere men. If I had any idea you were going to stand up the ladies in Dnepropetrovsk, if I had any idea that I would have had Galina go to so much work and effort for you, if I had any idea that you were not going to honor your committment to the people who we were renting the flat from, I would not have done business with you. And as I wrote you in the e-mail to you on December 27th and in yesterday's message, I feel if you can do this once you can do it again and I will not put my people or these ladies at this risk again.

And in rebuttal to your last statement,...For Sale, 63 chevy, 283, fuzzy dice hanging from mirror.

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Mark H
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« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to you really want the rest of the story, Y..., posted by Jack on Jan 12, 2002

Jack,
For two years now I have watched you "spin" information aimed at many people who don't agree with you. You are the MASTER of spin. That is why you are the HEAD of the USED car department.

I have no clue how hard Galina worked, I have no clue how many girls wanted to meet me, I had no clue about ANY of that....perhaps you should have told me. Duh.  As for your business, it is QUITE transparent that you use this forum to drum up business. I KNOW you get a cut of everything that takes place in ukraine. You pretend to help for free, wait...you charge $50 bucks now right? and pretend that is all you get. I have you figured out bud and I also realize that it is fruitless to give ones opinion because the master of BS is going to spin it anyway. No one has said your company sucks. I said it fulfilled what it offered. I also said I prefer a larger company with more organization.

Bottom line is you're full of crap Jack. You can spin words all you want but NOW is not the time to divuldge all you "supposedly" had planned. It's too late. It doesn't do anyone any good now. It's very easy after the fact to say "Oh, I had so much planned for you. There were so many girls who wanted to meet you." Very easy to say this. If this was the case, why didn't you tell me beforehand. Isn't that the way business works?

No one needs to vouch for Galina, why would they? More of your spin, trying to insinuate that I somehow don't "trust" or "believe" Galina. Those are your words pal. I'll keep this engagement going, it'll only show your ignorance.

The difference is that I don't need firstdream.com. I used your services because we had been "friends" for a couple of years. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what you have done.


This is what Jack Bragg has done:

1. Piss off half of Ukraine. Not good. I hate to say it but it appears that one day it'll catch up to him. Every day more and more native Ukrainians hate the guy. Oh yeah, it's cuz he exposes them as scammers.....yeah whatever. They may not get him in America but he'll be hard pressed one day to return to Ukraine with his wife. Sounds like alot of people there are looking for him. Wouldn't want them pissed at me.

2. Recruit a few english speaking guys and gals to be his "employees". Real difficult.

3. Come to PL Board little over two years ago and fight with everyone in sight, especially Elena regarding socials and taking chicks to McDonalds for dates.

4. Pretend to be everyone's buddy and good guy as he slowly builds his clientele. Nothing wrong with that but call a spade a spade.

5. Argue, fight, and degrade ANYONE who doesn't agree with him. Most guys probably put up with you just to use your services. Guys, wake up...companies are a dime a dozen that provide better services than Jack.

Another Jack spin, I did say 6 or 7 firls in Kiev interested me but re read the post Einstein...I said only two seemed sincere to me.

Jack, the organization of the trip was poor. I had a good time because I ALWAYS have a good time no matter where I go or what I do. With or without you, not a problem. You act like you are the only non scamming agency in the world. Get real. I tried to keep this civil, I tried to not bash your poorly run business but you wouldn't let it go. You had to continue running your OVERSIZED mouth. Spin all you want, this is not my livelihood as it is yours. Bottom line is I went on a trip, didn't want to go to Dnep and you had a fit. That's the bottom line. Now, you try to paint the picture that I'm an uncaring, selfish guy who stood up half of ukraine. Give me a break. I really don't give a crap what anyone thinks, it's easy to see you're just doing damage control for your own SELF interests. Control you didn't need to do had you just left it alone.

Smiling while typing,
Mark H.

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Dan
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« Reply #32 on: January 12, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to you really want the rest of the story......, posted by Mark H on Jan 12, 2002

Hi Mark,

You haven't lost your 'touch' for raising some eyebrows (and some hackles, I suspect) --smile--.

I don't know if it will help, but I thought I'd add just a bit to the mix.

As most know, I am a supporter of Jack's - and for the following reasons:

* Some years back, when I first met Jack, he offered freely of his time and knowledge. We met during one of my business trips to Dallas in the lobby of the hotel where I was staying. While there, he showed me photos, discussed his 'lessons learned', talked about various strategies and tactics, compared notes about our travels - and generally had a great discussion about the pros and cons, opportunities and pitfalls, successes and failures - arising from this pursuit. Jack didn't expect any payment for any of this - though I probably learned a lot more and got more out of the time than Jack did.

* A little more than a year ago, while Olya and I were in Ukraine and made an excursion to Lviv, we ran into a VERY serious problem involving the landlord of the apartment we rented in Kyiv (NOT through Jack BTW). The problem was so severe that I was threatened with "forcible FSB repatriation" and there were several times that we saw, and avoided, militsia hanging around our apartment at unusual times and in unusual places. I ended up speaking to the US Embassy's Regional Director of Security to work out a response plan. Anyway, Jack became aware of the problem (through Rostik, I think) and began to call me. He called frequently - and we also worked out a set of contingencies should the situation have gone awry. Very fortunately, everything stayed 'within the banks', but it was a tense and potentially dangerous period - and Jack was there with me the entire time - at *his* expense.

I don't mean to defend Jack - only to recount a couple of my actual experiences on the other side of the ledger.

Now, it should also be noted that I do not always agree with Jack. There are actually quite a few things that we do not see eye-to-eye about, but I consider those things as a package, and on-balance, I find Jack to be quite a good guy.

He is clearly a strong-minded and forceful personality - just as you are. Anyone that has read the board will undoubtedly see the truth in that comment about both of you.

I also see Jack as being protective (understandably) of FirstDream. Combine the facts that Jack is a strong personality with his natural protective qualities - add a little Texas 'charm' (a kind word for arrogance --smile--) - along with his unquestioned experience in the FSU - and you have all the ingredients for a situation such as you experienced.

Nothing I am saying is meant to dismiss any of your experiences Mark. They are what they are, and I believe everything you have said.

I also believe that Jack did what *he* said and went to some lengths to try to make your trip especially fruitful because of your long history with Jack. I truly do believe that - even though it may not have seemed so to you.

I think it is a shame that you two would come to loggerheads over this situation - though I can, quite clearly, see how it could develop.

Maybe one way of thinking about it is - Jack and FirstDream offer a unique service. They are in the 'boutique' agency business offering a more personalized service than the big agencies. Along with that personalized service comes expectations on both sides of the equation - and it is possible that those expectations were not clearly communicated or understood - on both sides in your particular transaction. Also, when one does business with FirstDream, one is doing business with Jack Bragg as well. For many, that will be just fine and they will enjoy the experience. For some, however, Jack's unique gifts and talents and character, will push certain personality types away. So be it. That is just human nature.

Anyway - just my $.02 worth - and it may not be worth that --smile--.

I wish you the best of luck Mark. You really are a good guy and have been at this a long time. The experiences you've gained will be with you a lifetime and I suspect you will soon find the lady to become your life-partner - at least, I hope so.

Please keep in touch and don't disappear from the board as you've done before. Your inputs are quite useful, and though I can imagine a lot of different thoughts must be passing through your mind - many here will benefit from your experiences.

Cheers,

- Dan

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KenC
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« Reply #33 on: January 12, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to you really want the rest of the story......, posted by Mark H on Jan 12, 2002

Mark,
Sorry that things didn't work out great for you, but there is still hope with the one girl that caught your interest, right?  Maybe that will evolve into something.  I wish you the best.

I do want to congratulate both you and Jack for handling your dispute like MEN.  I relate to strong willed guys like the both of you and can understand BOTH sides of your stories.  It is refreshing to see two opposing views stated as well as the two of you have done.  It is far too often that we see some whiney girlie-man fight like a little beetch. (You listening Ryan?)  Please don't let this dispute go that way.

I understand that when things weren't going as you planned, you thought that taking things into your own hands would help.  It didn't work out great, even taking that action.  But you will never know what you missed out on by not going to the other city.  You cannot hold Jack accountable for the entire lack of success, if you didn't follow the plan.  From the posts, it sounds as though Kiev was a secondary phase of the plan at best.  You alone decided to switch to "plan B".  I am sure that taking that action upset Jack because he wanted to do so well for you.  You have been a big voice here in the past and I am sure that it was in Jack's best interest for you to have a great trip.  His disappointment with you scewing up his well laid plan would of course cause him to "blow a gasket".  Strong willed guys like you and I amd Jack will do that sometimes.
KenC

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Cold Warrior
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« Reply #34 on: January 12, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Mark & Jack, posted by KenC on Jan 12, 2002

You are a master in the art of diplomacy. Probably a necessary trait to survive in a marriage with a strong willed RW. I'm still learning LOL.
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Cold Warrior
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« Reply #35 on: January 12, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to you really want the rest of the story......, posted by Mark H on Jan 12, 2002

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