Finding the One

[ChipShot]

Hi Guys and Ladies:

I am a recent reader of this list. I note that Jack seems to be an ethical and honorable source of information about the best way to meet a RW or UKW. Does the advert in the Russian and UK papers really work? I'm somewhat terrified of the idea of planting my face in a paper, only to have unknowns send me letters. I have been comfortable buying a few addresses, and so far, have some nice correspondences going. But really, guys, what seems to work?

I have two goals for 2002. To get married, and to find out why new shoes squeak. The sqeaky shoe part may always be a mystery, but I am serious about connecting with someone, and will invest the time an money (properly) this year to do it. I'll accept any advice that doesn't mention gerbils.

[BubbaGump]

... in response to Finding the One, posted by ChipShot on Dec 23, 2002

Ads will get you an overwhelming reponse from women that you have absolutly no interest in and I think a lot of the good looking women will still be scammers.  I think it's better to decide what you want and search websites for that type of woman.  I got 385 responses and maybe 15 were worth writing to.  

I hope you're not messing with gerbils young man.  Next thing you know, you'll have flames coming out of your back side. And it all starts with that first gerbil.  

[Oatmeal]

... in response to Finding the One, posted by ChipShot on Dec 23, 2002

I would highly recommend placing a personal ad in some periodicals.  I used this method through Jack and I got quite a few really good responses.

As I have read my good friend (Rags) post below I should agree that it may not be such a hot idea to put yourself into such a time constraint but on the other hand I myself had such goals like you when I started. It took me an extra year of searching and I thought that I was lucky on this last trip, so who knows when you will meet the right one.  Maybe you will be the one to hit the fabled "Hole in One"  or you might get lucky with one of the first few ladies you meet.  No one can say.

It is just my recommendation that placing an ad overseas is probably the most productive way to meet ladies who have a particular interest in YOU.

Nuff said.  

Good luck, Jim

[cherokee]

... in response to Finding the One, posted by ChipShot on Dec 23, 2002

Hi Chip,
send me your email and I'll give you some advice!
psfoote@hotmail.com
Merry Christmas!

Ps. I promise no gerbil stories!

[Ryan]

... in response to Finding the One, posted by ChipShot on Dec 23, 2002

Jack has great advice about many issues on this board.  It has taken him a few years to earn the peoples trust on this board.  (If you are not with him you can get ripped up around here)  I am not knocking Jack’s ways as I have not tried them myself so I cannot really say.  But in my view he plays the numbers game write as many woman as possible that will cut down to 50% etc. etc. you will end up with a few women then when you get to the country you will have this much time with this on and that much time with the other sooner or later you might find that one true love.  Then your finished, go thru the paper work and you’re a happy man.  But are you?  Have you really learned about the culture?  Have you really spend enough time in the country and with the woman’s family to know what she likes and her ways?  If your goal is one year then yes get your wallet out and go with the Jack method.  After you find your one then try and take my advice and just keep visiting this one woman in her own country to learn as much about everything as you can.  You’re increasing you odds to success and not getting a divorce in the first your.  

So anyway why did you get a divorce from your American woman?

[Jack]

... in response to Re: Finding the One, posted by Ryan on Dec 24, 2002

Ryan, Ryan, Ryan, you really do me a great disfavor and in-justice when you paraphrase and misrepresent my feelings and thoughts. I wish you would refrain from future misrepresentations.

From you Ryan “If your goal is one year then get your wallet out and go with the Jack method”.

Young Ryan, Jacks method was he looked for five years (NOT ONE YEAR thank you) before he found his dreambride. In those five years, and the three years after finding his dreambride, he learned more about the class and culture of these fine people than you have even come closed to learning at this time in your young, in-experienced career. I wish all my clients would take the time to learn more about these fine women and people. My recommended way would be to do just that Ryan. I tell men that they must take there time, this is not something you can rush and with your above statement you are doing me a great discredit in referring that I encourage or recommend a one year approach.

And don’t you, with your 10 days in Ukraine expertise, tell me about the class and culture of these wonderful people, and don’t you tell ME how these people live. I have never, and would never, spend a micky mouse 10 days on any trip to the FSU, and why, because you can’t learn enough, can't do enough, in 10 days Ryan. He!l, with 10 days you barely had time to take your shoes off before it was time to go back home! And how many families did you live with during your 10 days Ryan?  Don’t tell me about these wonderful people and the conditions they live under when you only visited ONE family! My god Ryan, until you have lived with at least seven or eight different family’s how can you even make comparisons and have a true understanding as to how these people live? How can you know so much about how so many of the family’s live from you living with ONE family for nine days?

Further more young Ryan please do not misrepresent my way of doing things as you have in your message above. I will never recommend a client to go and visit “a few ladies” as you have stated my method to be. I think a man needs to meet a LOT of ladies in a short period of time and then spend his remaining time, usually at least 7 or 8 days in that city, with the one or two ladies whom there was really good chemistry with. I do however NOT recommend clients to go and spend 10 days with one lady that they have never met, as so many times the lady will not have interest in the man. I think you could be a good person to ask about this. I do not want my clients wasting there time with ladies who have no interest in them. Once a client feels or knows that there is no mutual chemistry, I want him moving on, meeting the other ladies. What a complete waste of a client’s time to spend nine days in a city after finding out the one lady he went to see has no interest in him. At least to your credit, since you had no back-up plans, no second lady to see, at least you got out and meet other people and you got to know this one family pretty well (what else was there for you to do?). Considering the sum you sent them, four years wages, they should have treated you like a king!

[Ryan]

... in response to Can you say...."BULL SH!T" !!, posted by Jack on Dec 24, 2002

Yes Jack A..  I know you have been waiting for the last few days to let loose on me now you had your chance ay…  It's interesting how more than likely you started this post to draw me into this little play of yours.  Ok Jack so now you defend your numbers method I wonder if the women on your site or women posted from other agencies that are on your site, know how you try and exploit them for your means.  But it's all part of the game right?  Once again I am not presenting myself as a know it all but you like to take my words for that because they go against you and how you make your living.  So Old Man your statement "I will never recommend a client to go and visit "a few ladies" as you have stated my method to be."  No you want them to purchase and correspond with way more than a few, so many that you coach your clients on how to handle the subject of telling the woman that "I'm only here to see you honey."  Again I wonder if your harem knows what hand is washing what.  Enough said you had your fun.
Ryan

[ChipShot]

... in response to Re: Can you say...."BULL SH!T"..., posted by Ryan on Dec 24, 2002

For what it is worth, my two cents.

I have only been on this list for a short time, but I have observed a number of very positive comments from people regarding Jack. I certainly don't know Jack, and have not used his service, but he does seem to be an honest lamp in an otherwise dusky environment. In my new search in the FSU, I see that there are literally hundreds of sites that offer contacts with women from the FSU, but only a few that people seem to agree are worth investing in. My sense is that Jack's may be one of them.

So, to avoid further infighting, I just wanted Jack to know that to an intelligent observer, some of the flaming by others, like Ryan, is easily filtered out. It's really not necessary for anyone on the list to argue, as the reader and observer can usually quickly discern who's a goof, and who's not. I always avoided a barfight, not because I couldn't fight, but because even the winner walks away with a black eye or loose tooth. It's never worth it.

[Jack]

... in response to Re: Can you say...."BULL SH!T"..., posted by Ryan on Dec 24, 2002

Ryan A.., if your going to try and take shots at me, please boy, come with more than a BB gun!

First though Ryan, you must get some ammunition! And as I live in a glass house and it won’t take much to shatter some glass, your going to have to use something more than BB’s! Your going to have to get some real ammunition Ryan!

Now Ryan, I expect if you are going to make some accusations than you will be able to explain yourself. I won’t even bother to ask you for proof because there is none for you to gather, but to give your punk @ss a chance to salvage some type respect, I’ll just ask you to explain and offer your perceived knowledge to make such a statement as “ I wonder if the women on your site know how you try and exploit them for your means.”  Please explain for all, please tell these ladies and me, how I exploit them for my own means. Please Ryan, explain, if you don’t it will only lead to what everyone is beginning to perceive about you!

Ryan, I expect that, as usual, you are nothing but more hot air talk, talk, talk.  Big talk with no substance. Big talk from a punk wannabe!  And what do you wannabe Ryan, you wannabe someone whose is thought of as being a knowledgeable, respected person who has been to the FSU and has learned a great deal about his experiences and about Russian women. The truth is, you know NOTHING or Russian women!

Ryan, we can all say this about you, you can certainly give advice to all future newbies, because anyone around here for at least a month knows you are a laugh, but to future newbies you can tell guys how NOT TO DO IT! You are an expert on how not to do it. And I seriously doubt if you will ever become an expert on “How to do it”!

Ok Ryan, while you are trying to come up with an answer for the first question I asked you, let me ask you another question, which again will really show most of us what we already knew, how really stupid you really are!  You have claimed in your previous message, that I coach clients on how to handle the subject of telling woman that “I am only here to see you honey”.   Ryan, do you just make up statements?  Do you hope that you can make such frivolous, hoping to damage statements without having any knowledge of what you say?  Ryan, EVERY man on this board who has ever asked me how to handle such a question when asked will know I have always said that you admit to any lady who ask you such,  “you admit that you are seeing another woman”. Do not lie to these ladies, Ryan, I ask this of all men, admit that you are seeing another lady!

This is quite contradictory to what your claiming Ryan. One of us does not know what he is talking about. Any bets on who it is Ryan?

No Ryan, I think I have not had enough fun with you. The more you will write, the more fun I will have with you. The more you write, the more everyone see’s what a stupid @ss you really are.

Ok, Ryan, load’em boy. Remember, I live in a glass house, won’t take much to crack it!  Better find some ammunition Ryan, you’re going to have to, because you sure aren’t going to with your existing perceived knowledge!  

[DE]

... in response to Yep, you can say some BULL SH!T Ryan!, posted by Jack on Dec 24, 2002

the fact that Jack's advice is to tell the ladies that you are seeing another women.  I can dig through Jack's old e-mails he has sent me since 2000.  That WAS his advice to me and I have the e-mail to back it up!  BTW, if Jack facilitates any of his ladies with a happy marriage to a foriegn man, I can hardly see how that is using them?  Jack's services are actually quite reasonable and much of what he offers is FREE.  So I don't get it Ryan, what's your beef here?

[LP]

... in response to Yep, you can say some BULL SH!T Ryan!, posted by Jack on Dec 24, 2002

....Ever seen that show?    Jack vrs Ryan!

lol...Hey Jack, stop beating around the bush with this kid and tell us how ya really feel! :-)

[Jack]

... in response to Celebrity DeathMatch!....., posted by LP on Dec 24, 2002

I had wrote a response to boy blunder and before posting had read a few of the comments. Maybe Chipshot is right, just let Revolting Ryan off the hook and not reply back. After all it is Christmas Eve. I read what Lynn, one of the all time great P-L vets, says and I think that summerizes what most think about Ridicules Ryan and I guess I should let it lie, I mean that would be the mature thing to do, and after all it is Christmas Eve, but this is like Ali versus Donald Duck, quack, quack, quack (which is what Ryan does).

Then I read what LP had to say. Hummphh, he holds his own against ole Yoe and ole Yoe is pretty good. Ho, Ho, Ho Runt Ryan, let the studious discussion continue,.....
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Well Ryan, I have certainly given you the opportunity to debate my claims. I say that everything you have stated in this message is inaccurate, just as almost everything you say is! You don’t come back and offer any proof or reasoning’s for your absurd claims. Of course I know you can’t come up with any proof, but I was hoping you could come up with something to validate your preposterous statements. But no, you are caught dumb founded again. More hot air talk and no substance to support your personal attack.

Let my success loser boy be your inspiration that even you might be able to find a Russian bride, I think it will depend on how much money you send her though. So what is your excuse for having to run to another country to find a wife?

Now Private Ryan, you say I must have something to hide to defend my vast experience. Loser boy, I live in a glass house remember surely you can dig up some dirt. Can’t you come up with anything to prove your idiot claims?

Unlike most contributors to this board, the more you write, the more obvious just how stupid you really are. I mean, there is no other explanation for the things you do and say, it can only be pure stupidity.

My Russian bride is sitting next to me now Ryan. She wanted to see your photo so I showed her. After she stopped laughing she made a bet with me that you won’t find a smart, sincere woman, but that you will find a scammer woman. I had to tell her you already have!

[yoe]

... in response to hummphh, should I stop, or continue, posted by Jack on Dec 24, 2002

Jackatives.........I have never and I mean never met anyone who had so many explicatory terms..........absolutely amazing.
Joe

[Ryan]

... in response to hummphh, should I stop, or continue, posted by Jack on Dec 24, 2002

Yes time and time again you have proved my point of you possessing the very character of people that run agencies.  You hide behind your insults and attacks like a shield to protect your shady business practices.  The way that you rape your clients with your unnecessary service to those who don't know any better.  Sure they feel like that are getting a deal but they really don't know any better do they?

Oh Jack I could spend my time proving my points about how people like you exploit other for personal gain.  I plan to do just that in the near future, but today I am just storing my "Ammo" as you would say.

You proved your point to me on a personal level how you lie and deceive.  As you yourself pointed out to me in past E-mails.  "Ryan you are unlike many men that use my service,"  "You can virtually have your pick of many of the women in the Ukraine with your looks."  But today you chose to turn that around and use it as an attack.  

In past posts I never knocked you and your business.  I have spoken well of you many times, I even have my comments posted on your web site.  You know when you E-mailed and asked me to promote your services.  Today I chose to cross your views and I got what I wanted to see, your true colors as to the character of people that run agencies.  Thank You…

[DE]

... in response to True Colors, posted by Ryan on Dec 25, 2002

I've only been there three times.  I used Jack once, another agency on another trip and one I did totally myself.  And I got to tell you dude, the best trip was the one Jack was involved with!  Why?  It ran like a swiss watch.  It was fun, the people he employs are of high quality, great apartment, great location, sincere ladies and more.  Now of course anyone can do a trip themselves.  It's a no brainer.  But what happens when a problem arises?  Like you can't get a return train or bus ticket because they're all sold out due to a soccer match and your clear on the other side of Ukraine.  A mis-communication occurs between you and your lady and she throws you out on the street with no apartment lined up?  These are the things that an Agency owner can assist you with.  Does it cost, of course it does.  What ya expecting, freebies?  Come on dude, chill out and enjoy the scenery, not everyone is, will, or has done it your way or Jack's way.  But when it comes to experience, I'd bank on Jack's advice over yours.